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Button to Bleed Out Faster in Dying State

Nos37
Nos37 Member Posts: 4,142
edited July 2018 in General Discussions

Can we hold M2 / LB / L1 to bleed out faster instead of being slugged for 8 minutes?

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  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    Why dont you simply DC like everyone else does? DCs arent punished btw..... :lol:

  • holywhitetrash
    holywhitetrash Member Posts: 289

    @Master said:
    Why dont you simply DC like everyone else does? DCs arent punished btw..... :lol:

    they are if you wanted blood points and not a guaranteed depip

  • Runiver
    Runiver Member Posts: 2,095

    @Nos37 said:
    Can we hold M2 / LB / L1 to bleed out faster instead of being slugged for 8 minutes?

    The base slug duration is actually 4minutes.

  • Mringasa
    Mringasa Member Posts: 980

    Gives you time to search for the hatch as long as you've done 2 gens. I've done that before then spun around and around to alert the other Survivors of it. One got the hatch in the end, so was worthwhile imo. No 4k for Mr Killer, and yes, he was salty AF in post-game. Oh the lulz. :chuffed:

  • Runiver
    Runiver Member Posts: 2,095

    @Mringasa said:
    Gives you time to search for the hatch as long as you've done 2 gens. I've done that before then spun around and around to alert the other Survivors of it. One got the hatch in the end, so was worthwhile imo. No 4k for Mr Killer, and yes, he was salty AF in post-game. Oh the lulz. :chuffed:

    It's mostly a killer feature to use not to give a free hatch, or eventually to bait another survivor in.
    Allowing the survivor to have more choice would give survivors one more convenient advantage.

  • Zanfer
    Zanfer Member Posts: 647

    @Nos37 said:
    Can we hold M2 / LB / L1 to bleed out faster instead of being slugged for 8 minutes?

    This would cause more trolling cause if you could just die faster on the ground it just makes it harder for your team to get you up if the killer is just constantly slugging.

  • Nos37
    Nos37 Member Posts: 4,142

    No, I want a concede option, for both survivor and killer. If I know nothing's going to come of this match and I want to get into the next one, it's not that simple.

    As killer, I can stand idle, but the survivors won't leave after finishing gens; they come by to troll you and take the game hostage.

    As survivor, I can run to the killer, but they can just slug me and continue looking for the others.

    Either way, I'm stuck waiting 8 minutes to get into the next match.

  • Coriander
    Coriander Member Posts: 1,119

    @Orion said:
    I think that if all Survivors are in the dying state for a certain amount of time and none of them can get back up on their own, the game should automatically end, and all Survivors die simultaneously.

    You wouldn't account for wiggling free, self-unhooks, potential teammates with Perks to stand, etc. Maybe you meant with no absolute means, all third-hooks and no helpful perks, but how could the game calculate all that? You can still wiggle free even so (depending on hook distance). I don't want slugging to come back, that was awful. Bleeding out should grant no points to anyone.

  • Orion
    Orion Member Posts: 21,675

    @Coriander said:

    @Orion said:
    I think that if all Survivors are in the dying state for a certain amount of time and none of them can get back up on their own, the game should automatically end, and all Survivors die simultaneously.

    You wouldn't account for wiggling free, self-unhooks, potential teammates with Perks to stand, etc. Maybe you meant with no absolute means, all third-hooks and no helpful perks, but how could the game calculate all that? You can still wiggle free even so (depending on hook distance). I don't want slugging to come back, that was awful. Bleeding out should grant no points to anyone.

    "for a certain amount of time". Obviously I'm referring to a situation where the Killer has no intention of hooking them and is standing still or otherwise not picking them up.

  • Someissues
    Someissues Member Posts: 1,604
    edited July 2018

    It's a good idea, slugging everyone is the best way to derank as a killer since you'll lose a pip, watching them die with salt is glorious

    this would help with speed deranking, perfect when playing as Nurse

  • TheLegendDyl4n1
    TheLegendDyl4n1 Member Posts: 1,493

    @Mringasa said:
    Gives you time to search for the hatch as long as you've done 2 gens. I've done that before then spun around and around to alert the other Survivors of it. One got the hatch in the end, so was worthwhile imo. No 4k for Mr Killer, and yes, he was salty AF in post-game. Oh the lulz. :chuffed:

    i was slugged as the other last survivor was chased and while he was chased i found the hatch and he got downed and hooked but he was in the struggle phase and kept struggling even though i went in a circle the killer found me as he died and picked me up there was no hooks around and i was able to struggle off and escape through the hatch but i could of gotten the hatch faster if he would of killed himself. i would personally like it if everyone knew that spining around in a circle when the hatch could of spawned ment you found the hatch but not everyone knows this but you were probably on coms or swf so its fine its just sometimes people want the 800 extra points i think thats the ammount for struggling.

  • Nos37
    Nos37 Member Posts: 4,142

    Thought it was 80, lol

  • Kind_Lemon
    Kind_Lemon Member Posts: 2,559

    I'm sincere in my wish that if a survivor does not move from a slugged position for more than 30 seconds, a murder of crows will descend that will consume the survivor alive if they continue to stay still, giving the killer deviousness points.
    I am often annoyed (due to having to wait five or so minutes for the survivor in the ground to bleed out with no chance at hatch in the meanwhile) by the artificial lengthening of the match through the slugging of the second to last survivor. I understand it's a viable tactic; I would just like it to change.

  • CoolAKn
    CoolAKn Member Posts: 677

    It would make sense for perks like Sloppy Butcher, or anything that causes the Hemorrhage status effect to make survivors bleed out faster.

  • Mister_Holdout
    Mister_Holdout Member Posts: 3,144

    I think it's fine the way it is now.

  • mcNuggets
    mcNuggets Member Posts: 767

    @BillyIII said:
    So you want a deny-killer-points-but-keep-mine button? Yeah, no.

    There should be no slugging, in any way. It's boring and if the survivor just hides, he wins.

  • Orion
    Orion Member Posts: 21,675

    @mcNuggets said:

    @BillyIII said:
    So you want a deny-killer-points-but-keep-mine button? Yeah, no.

    There should be no slugging, in any way. It's boring and if the survivor just hides, he wins.

    No, if the Survivor hides, he dies.

  • mcNuggets
    mcNuggets Member Posts: 767

    @Orion said:

    @mcNuggets said:

    @BillyIII said:
    So you want a deny-killer-points-but-keep-mine button? Yeah, no.

    There should be no slugging, in any way. It's boring and if the survivor just hides, he wins.

    No, if the Survivor hides, he dies.

    Logic?

  • TheLegendDyl4n1
    TheLegendDyl4n1 Member Posts: 1,493

    @Orion said:

    @mcNuggets said:

    @BillyIII said:
    So you want a deny-killer-points-but-keep-mine button? Yeah, no.

    There should be no slugging, in any way. It's boring and if the survivor just hides, he wins.

    No, if the Survivor hides, he dies.

    just got out of a game where there was 1 gen left i found the hatch and the killer was camping the downed survivor. i also mind you, had no mither. and so i didnt think i would be able to heal him in time so i try and wait for the survivor to bleed out and the killer finds me, downs me and hooks me i havent been hooked yet so i attempt to escape and the killer then brings the other survivor to the hatch. i struggle and the funny part is that the survivor that was downed bleed out before i died. also btw the downed survivor kept bringing the killer to me when she was getting chased i think she had empathy so she always saw me.

  • Orion
    Orion Member Posts: 21,675

    @mcNuggets said:

    @Orion said:

    @mcNuggets said:

    @BillyIII said:
    So you want a deny-killer-points-but-keep-mine button? Yeah, no.

    There should be no slugging, in any way. It's boring and if the survivor just hides, he wins.

    No, if the Survivor hides, he dies.

    Logic?

    Hiding=Bleeding out. If you're in the dying state, but also can't be found and can't escape, what do you think happens after 4 minutes?

  • Sarief
    Sarief Member Posts: 543

    but what if killers wants to hang you? This effectively removes him points. Another survivor buff =\

  • Orion
    Orion Member Posts: 21,675

    @Sarief said:
    but what if killers wants to hang you? This effectively removes him points. Another survivor buff =\

    That's why I suggested some way to verify that the Killer has no intention of hooking anyone. Besides, Survivors already hide when they want to deny the Killer points, because they're just that vindictive. Ironically, most Killers just care about kills, so the fact that they're not going for the hatch is a godsend to people like that.

  • MegMain98
    MegMain98 Member Posts: 2,919

    @Orion said:

    @Sarief said:
    but what if killers wants to hang you? This effectively removes him points. Another survivor buff =\

    That's why I suggested some way to verify that the Killer has no intention of hooking anyone. Besides, Survivors already hide when they want to deny the Killer points, because they're just that vindictive. Ironically, most Killers just care about kills, so the fact that they're not going for the hatch is a godsend to people like that.

    That’s why I usually run deerstalker because if you down Claudette in a green shirt and go after the last injured survivor, she will hide from you and you’ll NEVER be able to find her especially in a map like Red Forest or Swamp.

    Why wouldn’t you hide when you’re in dying state though? First of all if you just lay there, birds will eventually start to form around you and give away your position. Second of all there is a chance you could crawl to the hatch.

  • pokebro2000
    pokebro2000 Member Posts: 2

    @CoolAKn said:
    It would make sense for perks like Sloppy Butcher, or anything that causes the Hemorrhage status effect to make survivors bleed out faster.

    I reckon that would be a pretty cool effect. Nothing too stupid, though. Maybe 25% faster bleed out?

  • Dabrownman1812
    Dabrownman1812 Member Posts: 1,857
    There should be a surrender option for killers and survivors.
  • Orion
    Orion Member Posts: 21,675

    @Dabrownman1812 said:
    There should be a surrender option for killers and survivors.

    Wouldn't work for Survivors because no matter how it worked, trolling would be very possible. Requiring a majority vote means the majority can troll the minority. Requiring a unanimous vote means the minority can troll the majority. It can work for the Killer because he's the only one on his "team".

  • Dabrownman1812
    Dabrownman1812 Member Posts: 1,857
    Orion said:

    @Dabrownman1812 said:
    There should be a surrender option for killers and survivors.

    Wouldn't work for Survivors because no matter how it worked, trolling would be very possible. Requiring a majority vote means the majority can troll the minority. Requiring a unanimous vote means the minority can troll the majority. It can work for the Killer because he's the only one on his "team".

  • Dabrownman1812
    Dabrownman1812 Member Posts: 1,857
    Orion said:

    @Dabrownman1812 said:
    There should be a surrender option for killers and survivors.

    Wouldn't work for Survivors because no matter how it worked, trolling would be very possible. Requiring a majority vote means the majority can troll the minority. Requiring a unanimous vote means the minority can troll the majority. It can work for the Killer because he's the only one on his "team".

    Yeh, but I mean something like an individual survivor can surrender under a certain condition like everyone down.
  • Orion
    Orion Member Posts: 21,675

    @Dabrownman1812 said:
    Yeh, but I mean something like an individual survivor can surrender under a certain condition like everyone down.

    Again, wouldn't work because one Survivor leaving screws over everyone else.

  • Dabrownman1812
    Dabrownman1812 Member Posts: 1,857
    Orion said:

    @Dabrownman1812 said:
    Yeh, but I mean something like an individual survivor can surrender under a certain condition like everyone down.

    Again, wouldn't work because one Survivor leaving screws over everyone else.

    If only available when slugged then why not if everyone is down. Or everyone down and into second hook phase.
  • mcNuggets
    mcNuggets Member Posts: 767

    @Orion said:

    @mcNuggets said:

    @Orion said:

    @mcNuggets said:

    @BillyIII said:
    So you want a deny-killer-points-but-keep-mine button? Yeah, no.

    There should be no slugging, in any way. It's boring and if the survivor just hides, he wins.

    No, if the Survivor hides, he dies.

    Logic?

    Hiding=Bleeding out. If you're in the dying state, but also can't be found and can't escape, what do you think happens after 4 minutes?

    I meant the "not slugged" player...

  • Peasant
    Peasant Member Posts: 4,104

    I get that being slugged sucks, but you still generate bleed out points so I cannot in good faith deny the killer these points. However, after all of the doors have been opened the killer gains nothing when one survivor lurks on the map in a clear attempt to waste the killer's time. (I'm talking about an actual problem, not totem breaking or sabotage.) So I would prioritize giving the killer an option to surrender over survivors any day. If you really want to give up, just go to the killer. Most killers have a 32 meter TR so finding them shouldn't be too hard.