New franklins can remove keys - what’s with moris?

Once again, it's another rework plaster fix while the devs can come up with a healthy change for the overall issue. We saw it with Repressed Alliance in Silent Hill chapter as the plaster fix for everyones annoyance with PGTW. We see it every chapter release: a plaster fix followed by an actual issue addressing change many months later.

This new Franklin's is definitely a nod from the devs saying "yeah we hear you moaning about keys"...even though the majority of people get the issue all wrong. It isn't Keys that are the issue, it's the Hatch. If the Hatch only spawned when all 5 gens are done or when 1 survivor is left alive, then keys wouldn't be an issue to anyone. Mori's will be shadow nerfed most likely, can you imagine how even more common a mori would be if the devs announced a nerf to them? Pretty much every ahole would put one on just because "no point having them in my inventory post change."

I still think all moris should just allow you to kill a survivor at their equivalent third hook for bonus bloodpoints (and quicker kill compared to hooking), kinda like Pyramid Head.

I wish someone would explain to me, I have LOADS of moris that I've not used because on the rare occasions I have used them all I get is abuse for having used it. I don't want to rely on them because I want to get better at the game but gawd, I'd like to sometimes use them without getting abuse

I have two big questions I need to ask. Does dropping an item and leaving it for 90 seconds make it disappear. Just want to know is it counter able by doing this, rather than getting hit and potentially losing it. Also if I leave an item in a chest does that mean I could lose it?

If i see a mori i'll gen rush. The faster you do the gen the faster you get out without getting morried. You cant wait 15 mn in this game anymore with the rework of the map.

The problem with nerfing Moris is if you try to make them weaker it often ends up making them worthless.

Why would you bring in a mori just to kill people on deathhooks? Play PH and save yourself the offering.

The closest suggestion I've seen that still keeps the power intact is requiring you to hook someone else before you can Mori the previous hooked person.

Camp a key for 90 seconds? That's suicide! You're throwing the game to destroy a single item.

That is 90 seconds a killer has to wait by the key you do know that is a complete gen.

Depending on when you find the person who brings the key you could essentially be throwing the entire game just to deny one key usage.

Oh no my keys been eaten by The Entity but don't worry we've already completed all the generators and open the exit gate and now we're butt dancing at the stupid killer

I agree, tunneling off of Moris isn't healthy for the game. It's a degenerate strategy which we should try to make not-viable. But the same goes for survivors, hiding to prevent anyone from getting Mori'd is as much a degenerate strategy as tunneling off of the Mori.

I know that every perk must have counterplay, my argument was "killer perks have counterplay, some survivor perks have not".

DS is super stupid, you jump into a locker and there you go, the perk becomes impossible to counter. They could remove the ability for the perk to proc on grab, but of course they haven't in months and probably never will.

You can bait out DH if you're near the survivor (as I've already mentioned, only sometimes it's a little unfair), but when used for distance there's nothing you can do, you're forced to suck it and go for another loop.

Adrenaline? How do you counter it exactly? Iron Will? Don't tell me "you counter Adrenaline with NOED or Iron Will with Stridor", perks must not be a solution to problems.

Borrowed Time is actually the only survivor meta perk I really like as a design.

Just for the sake of argument, the only stupid killer perk that comes to mind is Spirit Fury, literally a perk that punishes good survivor play. That's one killer perk that has no real counterplay and as a survivor the only thing you can do is dropping a pallet early - if you can - but then, it's not like you've wasted any perk charge, next pallet and you'll be forced to early drop again. The only way to remove the perk (temporarily) is by letting the killer use it so that it resets it's charges.

PS: oh btw I only play survivor since the Ruin nerf and I use all the aforementioned survivor perks except Iron Will.

You're in a lot of threads being very toxic. Don't think i've seen a single positive, non killer hating thing from you. In regards to this thread though, keys are annoying to deal with, Ebony Mori's are a bother, but Franklin's is a waste of a perk slot unless it's a meme build.

Franklins change doesnt change keys at all. Or at least the biggest problem with keys.

All they need to do is change chests where skeloton keys dont spawn and purple opens for one person. Keys are now more fair. Less RNG determining the out come of a match. Especially a very close match.

Uhm.

Im not too knowledgeable on the state of the game, but wasnt Franklin's always supposed to delete keys bzw all items?

The item-overhaul actually made that impossible, and keys are, unlike all other items, useable wthout charges.

Actually, the perk becomes nicer to survivors, it doesnt damage items anymore and the item can still be picked up to be saved.