When does slugging go too far?
That sort of behavior has never happened to me before and not only is it not fair, but absolutely boring to go through
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pemberley said:I believe that slugging should be a valid tactic, but I just had a game with an unsportsmanlike Spirit who refused to hook, and even purposely let survivors bleed out. I was the last survivor and just as I was about to reach the hatch, THEN she picks me up and hooks me. She even stood over the door in a taunting manner.
That sort of behavior has never happened to me before and not only is it not fair, but absolutely boring to go through7
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Slugging goes too far when there's an exploit on the Killer side that makes it so Survivors stop bleeding on the ground, or when there's an exploit on the Survivor side that makes them impossible to be picked up and makes them stop bleeding on the ground. Until then, it's fine.
In your situation, the Killer decided not to give you the hatch. You're not entitled to it.
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Funny thing about slugging is that it can be punished. Yes, there are perks to help a killer slug but that are also perks I can help a Survivor punish the killer for doing so2
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pemberley said:I believe that slugging should be a valid tactic, but I just had a game with an unsportsmanlike Spirit who refused to hook, and even purposely let survivors bleed out. I was the last survivor and just as I was about to reach the hatch, THEN she picks me up and hooks me. She even stood over the door in a taunting manner.
That sort of behavior has never happened to me before and not only is it not fair, but absolutely boring to go through3 -
As the killer I do not do that because it is so dull and cheeky. As the survivors its torture because as the downed person there is nothing you can do, I wish there was a way to ######### on the ground kind of like letting yourself die on the hook. Slugging around for 4 minutes while the killer just stares at you makes me want to DC; I do not do that, but it is basically as bad as a game can be on the survivor side.
It can be said Unbreakable is there to get the survivor up, but if the killer is standing right there staring at them, that one up is not going to do them much good.
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Slugging is a legit tactic.
Some survivor only complain about it because it will shut down their beloved tactics and perks.6 -
Is slugging considered "camping" a downed survivor? Because I don't do this. I do however use Freddy, and when Gens are going off rapidly sometimes leaving a man or two on the ground slows down the game enough for me to stop the progression of the gens. If I immediately hook everyone as Freddy as soon as they are down I risk the survivors completing gens faster, as well as have to then choose between carefully watching the hook, or patrolling gens. I can see this being an issue if survivors are being left down for no reason other than to piss them off or stall out the game without purpose, but with Freddy leaving a survivor on the ground from time to time is almost a prerequisite to getting a 4 man kill (In fact, Freddy HAS to leave the second last survivor on the ground to stop the last player from using the hatch, in order to get a 4 man kill), unless your really fortunate or the survivors just suck! "Slugging" This way, I can hunt the other 2 down or catch them attempting a heal. If the complaint is against downing a survivor as part of an effective strategy I cant agree and have to call "slugging" just more survivor crybabying.
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Being slugged half the game, is boring. Or almost bleeding to dead because the killer is desperate for the 4k is also ######### boring.
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@LightsOut88 said:
Is slugging considered "camping" a downed survivor?No, just leave em on the ground… that's slugging.
Add Deerstalker or Nurse Calling, Sloppy Butcher or Thana.
Sometimes it is just slowing them down more to leave them on the ground than picking them up, for example near an almost finished gen.0 -
@Chi said:
Being slugged half the game, is boring. Or almost bleeding to dead because the killer is desperate for the 4k is also [BAD WORD] boring.I hear you on that point. However I ALWAYS hook the player eventually, even as Freddy. I am mainly just asking if I am considered a slugger because I leave 1 or 2 survivors on the ground for a limited time in order to be more effective? or yes, to get the 4 man?. However as a Killer who tries to play "Fair" if a game is taking too long and I simply cant find the last survivor, or no one is healing the guy I left down I will generally secure them on a hook for points, as well as to give them a chance of being rescued. Every time I try to be nice as a Killer though, survivors retaliate by making me eat a ######### sandwich. So it doesn't happen often; but their are times where I am a merciful killer lol
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LightsOut88 said:
@Chi said:
Being slugged half the game, is boring. Or almost bleeding to dead because the killer is desperate for the 4k is also [BAD WORD] boring.I hear you on that point. However I ALWAYS hook the player eventually, even as Freddy. I am mainly just asking if I am considered a slugger because I leave 1 or 2 survivors on the ground for a limited time in order to be more effective? or yes, to get the 4 man?. However as a Killer who tries to play "Fair" if a game is taking too long and I simply cant find the last survivor, or no one is healing the guy I left down I will generally secure them on a hook for points, as well as to give them a chance of being rescued. Every time I try to be nice as a Killer though, survivors retaliate by making me eat a ######### sandwich. So it doesn't happen often; but their are times where I am a merciful killer lol
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I never went full slugging until today. had a game where all 4 survs were immediately right on top of me when i downed the first person, so I dropped she crawled into a pallete zone, and so obviously i just screwed with the others. I had all 4 of them down in a probably 16 meter radius. It was ridiculous. I had no sluggin build or nothing. two of em had the perk to heal themselves from dying, So that happened but they didnt wait at all so i was nearly on top of them and put them right back on the ground both times.
I won with 4/4 but it was low point scoring cause it was my first hook on each. I didnt enjoy it. I doubt they enjoyed it. It wasnt my plan but im not gonna pick someone up when all 4 of you are right there @_@ definately one of my weirdest games
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@vendalwind said:
I never went full slugging until today. had a game where all 4 survs were immediately right on top of me when i downed the first person, so I dropped she crawled into a pallete zone, and so obviously i just screwed with the others. I had all 4 of them down in a probably 16 meter radius. It was ridiculous. I had no sluggin build or nothing. two of em had the perk to heal themselves from dying, So that happened but they didnt wait at all so i was nearly on top of them and put them right back on the ground both times.I won with 4/4 but it was low point scoring cause it was my first hook on each. I didnt enjoy it. I doubt they enjoyed it. It wasnt my plan but im not gonna pick someone up when all 4 of you are right there @_@ definately one of my weirdest games
when the survivors put themselves in that situation it is nice cause they aren't doing gens.
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@DKOuToFConTRoL said:
As the killer I do not do that because it is so dull and cheeky. As the survivors its torture because as the downed person there is nothing you can do, I wish there was a way to [BAD WORD] on the ground kind of like letting yourself die on the hook. Slugging around for 4 minutes while the killer just stares at you makes me want to DC; I do not do that, but it is basically as bad as a game can be on the survivor side.It can be said Unbreakable is there to get the survivor up, but if the killer is standing right there staring at them, that one up is not going to do them much good.
Well it is a tatic and tatic's can work better at certain times than other times..
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@pemberley said:
I believe that slugging should be a valid tactic, but I just had a game with an unsportsmanlike Spirit who refused to hook, and even purposely let survivors bleed out. I was the last survivor and just as I was about to reach the hatch, THEN she picks me up and hooks me. She even stood over the door in a taunting manner.That sort of behavior has never happened to me before and not only is it not fair, but absolutely boring to go through
Just because you think it is fair and boring is your own opinion..
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pemberley said:I believe that slugging should be a valid tactic, but I just had a game with an unsportsmanlike Spirit who refused to hook, and even purposely let survivors bleed out. I was the last survivor and just as I was about to reach the hatch, THEN she picks me up and hooks me. She even stood over the door in a taunting manner.
That sort of behavior has never happened to me before and not only is it not fair, but absolutely boring to go through
How was it not fair? Did you have a chance to hide and generally about detection? Did you have a chase where you could juke and attempt to lose the killer? Did you not get chased and downed like every other time you played the game? Did your team not have the ability to pick up downed teammates? The killer outplayed you. You had all the abilities to stop it but lacked the skill as a team to stop the killer. There is nothing unfair. You just don't like what happened.3 -
One on the hook, one on the ground, works really well rotating survivors like that0
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The only problem I have with slugging is when you just slug them, and stay nearby for when they get picked up, just to down them again. Had a game today, where I got downed on my last hook, Pig puts a RBT on me, and just stayed nearby waiting for me to get picked up. I don't mind dying, just let me get to the next game, plus I refuse to DC. (I don't think there's any justified reason to DC, even if I get one hooked, I'll at least get a little bit of BP) Just let me move on to the next goddamn game instead of being forced to wait 4 ######### minutes. That's the only time I'll say it's too far.
The only time I ever slug is when I down a survivor and I immediately see another one, so I chase them a bit, or when everyone is swarming around a hook. Slugging is not fun and although survivors fun isn't my first priority, and I want to win, I will still try to make it as fun and fair as possible while trying to win.4 -
@shadowsfall42 said:
Had a game today, where I got downed on my last hook, Pig puts a RBT on me, and just stayed nearby waiting for me to get picked up.You can do some cruel things with that RBT when you're a frustrated killer and feel like being mean. I'm generally a nice killer though, so I save those torture tactics for special occassions...
Like you're Jake. Or you laughed at me. Or you didn't leave when you had the chance, you dumb Claudette... mwahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...
Er...
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I slug pretty hard as Nurse.
If I see multiple survivors, I'm chasing after every one of them.
Once I run out of targets, then I proceed to hook the bodies.
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@pemberley said:
I believe that slugging should be a valid tactic, but I just had a game with an unsportsmanlike Spirit who refused to hook, and even purposely let survivors bleed out. I was the last survivor and just as I was about to reach the hatch, THEN she picks me up and hooks me. She even stood over the door in a taunting manner.That sort of behavior has never happened to me before and not only is it not fair, but absolutely boring to go through
Its like tbagging as survivor. its BM, but its part of the game
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@DeadByFlashlight said:
Its like tbagging as survivor. its BM, but its part of the game
This is no where near the same.
Slugging is a tactical decision, tbagging is just the virtual middlefinger.3 -
@Wolf74 said:
@DeadByFlashlight said:
Its like tbagging as survivor. its BM, but its part of the game
This is no where near the same.
Slugging is a tactical decision, tbagging is just the virtual middlefinger.Slugging and waiting shortly before the hatch is indeed BM, I think my comparison with tbagging fits very well.
Doesnt matter though if you do it as a tactic during the game or for BM as described, slugging is always ok UNLESS you mori cancel0 -
Slugging goes to far when you just let people bleed for no reason. You just stand there and watch them bleed.0
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@SteveyHooves said:
Slugging goes to far when you just let people bleed for no reason. You just stand there and watch them bleed.Sounds like the action of a psycho, serial… oh, nevermind. XD
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@shadowsfall42 said:
The only problem I have with slugging is when you just slug them, and stay nearby for when they get picked up, just to down them again. Had a game today, where I got downed on my last hook, Pig puts a RBT on me, and just stayed nearby waiting for me to get picked up. I don't mind dying, just let me get to the next game, plus I refuse to DC. (I don't think there's any justified reason to DC, even if I get one hooked, I'll at least get a little bit of BP) Just let me move on to the next goddamn game instead of being forced to wait 4 [BAD WORD] minutes. That's the only time I'll say it's too far.The only time I ever slug is when I down a survivor and I immediately see another one, so I chase them a bit, or when everyone is swarming around a hook. Slugging is not fun and although survivors fun isn't my first priority, and I want to win, I will still try to make it as fun and fair as possible while trying to win.
Pigs always slug, when you have an RBT on your head and the gens are done or the exit gate is open, just consider it a hook, you are dead until you finish playing "the game". As long as people are on the map, you have to play "the game". Its an effective way to partially secure a kill while the pig can leave you and maintain pressure on other survivors.
In a perfect world though, in a diabolical fashion, I'd give all killers the ability to mori people if they've bled out to 50%. But I like running 6 jigsaw boxes and throwing as many obstacles in front of survivors to slow the game down. Its not like they mind anyway. Survivors have it easy, so why make the game easier by playing the way survivors want you to play?
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I like running Knock Out and slugging to keep momentum. I don't camp the slugs though, as that negates the momentum. Generally, I only slug if there is someone else to chase, or I down the slug off in a corner where he'll be harder to find.
Slugging until everyone bleeds out is just boring to me. I have had all four slugged at once, but I immediately start hooking them. The only time someone bleeds out on the ground is if I can't find them or they found a corner where i cant get them to a hook.1 -
Slugging is a legit tactics, but it is weak. There are so many other exceptional tactics and builds. Slugging is like a build you'd go for if you're bored and you wanna be mean; or if you're inexperienced with how the game actually works.
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@davidps4DBD said:
Slugging is a legit tactics, but it is weak. There are so many other exceptional tactics and builds. Slugging is like a build you'd go for if you're bored and you wanna be mean; or if you're inexperienced with how the game actually works.It's a newb strategy, don't @ me
Slugging is a powerful strategy that you go for if you understand how the game actually works.
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@LightsOut88 said:
@Chi said:
Being slugged half the game, is boring. Or almost bleeding to dead because the killer is desperate for the 4k is also [BAD WORD] boring.I hear you on that point. However I ALWAYS hook the player eventually, even as Freddy. I am mainly just asking if I am considered a slugger because I leave 1 or 2 survivors on the ground for a limited time in order to be more effective? or yes, to get the 4 man?. However as a Killer who tries to play "Fair" if a game is taking too long and I simply cant find the last survivor, or no one is healing the guy I left down I will generally secure them on a hook for points, as well as to give them a chance of being rescued. Every time I try to be nice as a Killer though, survivors retaliate by making me eat a ######### sandwich. So it doesn't happen often; but their are times where I am a merciful killer lol
Nah, slugging is fine then. I slug when playing killer too, to slow the game down just a little bit. It is a legitimate tactic. But playing as survivor and getting slugged for the 4k or instantly getting hit down when ya get up... It makes me want to DC so I can go on to the next game.
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Dabrownman1812 said:
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Am I the only one who can't see what I wrote? Basically, if you don't go down in 15 seconds and keep killer busy long enough for team to recover you will end the slug as the killer will hook you, the strongest chaser needs to die or will kill the multiple man slug.0
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Here a quick fix to limit being slugged. Do not use ds. If you do and we killers know you have it we will slug your ass. At one point i ran knock out primarily only to deal with these kinds of people making sure you stayed on the floor. Whilst I'd hook and pick up the rest of the survivours. Nowadays i slug but bring rancour to properly punish people who use that perk.
Something of note a killer will often switch up their tactics if the game isn't going well. So if as a team you finish 3 gens and no ones dead expect the killer to start slugging/tunneling or camping to try and eliminate a player. This is mostly because it very easy to lose a game hard if all 4 survivours are still up.0 -
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Zarathos said:Here a quick fix to limit being slugged. Do not use ds. If you do and we killers know you have it we will slug your ass. At one point i ran knock out primarily only to deal with these kinds of people making sure you stayed on the floor. Whilst I'd hook and pick up the rest of the survivours. Nowadays i slug but bring rancour to properly punish people who use that perk.
Something of note a killer will often switch up their tactics if the game isn't going well. So if as a team you finish 3 gens and no ones dead expect the killer to start slugging/tunneling or camping to try and eliminate a player. This is mostly because it very easy to lose a game hard if all 4 survivours are still up.
I agree that slugging is fine and fair game IF the killer plans to hook, but being forced to eat dirt a good portion of the match is boring and worse than camping. At least you can use camping to your advantage, even if it hurts you personally: stick around and buy time for your teammates or bleed out fast and move on. I never intentionally dc because dcing just ruins the fun for everyone and it’s usually a result of being a brat who can’t handle being down. So permaslugging is unfair and unkind.0 -
pemberley said:Zarathos said:Here a quick fix to limit being slugged. Do not use ds. If you do and we killers know you have it we will slug your ass. At one point i ran knock out primarily only to deal with these kinds of people making sure you stayed on the floor. Whilst I'd hook and pick up the rest of the survivours. Nowadays i slug but bring rancour to properly punish people who use that perk.
Something of note a killer will often switch up their tactics if the game isn't going well. So if as a team you finish 3 gens and no ones dead expect the killer to start slugging/tunneling or camping to try and eliminate a player. This is mostly because it very easy to lose a game hard if all 4 survivours are still up.
I agree that slugging is fine and fair game IF the killer plans to hook, but being forced to eat dirt a good portion of the match is boring and worse than camping. At least you can use camping to your advantage, even if it hurts you personally: stick around and buy time for your teammates or bleed out fast and move on. I never intentionally dc because dcing just ruins the fun for everyone and it’s usually a result of being a brat who can’t handle being down. So permaslugging is unfair and unkind.0 -
Even among the best survivors, not getting downed is not always viable.
I am not a good survivor btw, I am a decent one.0 -
Chi said:
Even among the best survivors, not getting downed is not always viable.
I am not a good survivor btw, I am a decent one.0 -
Orion said:
@davidps4DBD said:
Slugging is a legit tactics, but it is weak. There are so many other exceptional tactics and builds. Slugging is like a build you'd go for if you're bored and you wanna be mean; or if you're inexperienced with how the game actually works.It's a newb strategy, don't @ me
Slugging is a powerful strategy that you go for if you understand how the game actually works.
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I don’t see how standing next to a hatch and taunting before picking up a slugged survivor is any different from them teabagging a killer. Intimidation/trolling isn’t a rare phenomenon in multiplayer games lolPost edited by xxDeAd_SiLeNcE on0
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@davidps4DBD said:
It is one of many strategies. It isn't powerful. Sigh.It can be powerful if you know what you're doing and know the game mechanics. Otherwise, you think it's weak.
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You never heard of deranking? if you slug everyone on the ground let them bleed out, you can Derank
It's not bannable or anything, the devs refused to add a surrender system for Survivors and Killers, which Identity V have
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Killers that slugged the third guy until they bleed out to try and 4k are just greedy A-holes. If you want to slug for a 4k, that's fine, but pick the dude up and hook them if it's clear the guy isn't going to save them. Otherwise you are just wasting time and losing points. Take the damn hook, let hatch spawn, and play it out. Stop being entitled to a 4k.
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@thesuicidefox said:
Killers that slugged the third guy until they bleed out to try and 4k are just greedy A-holes. If you want to slug for a 4k, that's fine, but pick the dude up and hook them if it's clear the guy isn't going to save them. Otherwise you are just wasting time and losing points. Take the damn hook, let hatch spawn, and play it out. Stop being entitled to a 4k.What about 3 people rush to the rescue of the last guy beside the open door?
Survivor do that all the time... isn't that the very same thing in your logic?1 -
@Wolf74 said:
@thesuicidefox said:
Killers that slugged the third guy until they bleed out to try and 4k are just greedy A-holes. If you want to slug for a 4k, that's fine, but pick the dude up and hook them if it's clear the guy isn't going to save them. Otherwise you are just wasting time and losing points. Take the damn hook, let hatch spawn, and play it out. Stop being entitled to a 4k.What about 3 people rush to the rescue of the last guy beside the open door?
Survivor do that all the time... isn't that the very same thing in your logic?You slug someone until they bleed out and waste everyone's time when you should just take the hook for the points, at least, then go looking for the last guy or accept that they will get hatch. Unnecessary if it's clear no one will save the person.
By contrast, when you run up to save someone near the door, you aren't wasting time and drawing out the game unnecessarily. You are also performing a tactic that has a high chance of success if everyone plays it right. Slugging someone to get the last guy doesn't have NEARLY the same chance of success. Your only hopes of success are that 1) the guy goes for a save, or 2) you find the guy while the other is slugged.
How you even think they are the same baffles me.
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@thesuicidefox said:
@Wolf74 said:
@thesuicidefox said:
Killers that slugged the third guy until they bleed out to try and 4k are just greedy A-holes. If you want to slug for a 4k, that's fine, but pick the dude up and hook them if it's clear the guy isn't going to save them. Otherwise you are just wasting time and losing points. Take the damn hook, let hatch spawn, and play it out. Stop being entitled to a 4k.What about 3 people rush to the rescue of the last guy beside the open door?
Survivor do that all the time... isn't that the very same thing in your logic?You slug someone until they bleed out and waste everyone's time when you should just take the hook for the points, at least, then go looking for the last guy or accept that they will get hatch. Unnecessary if it's clear no one will save the person.
By contrast, when you run up to save someone near the door, you aren't wasting time and drawing out the game unnecessarily. You are also performing a tactic that has a high chance of success if everyone plays it right. Slugging someone to get the last guy doesn't have NEARLY the same chance of success. Your only hopes of success are that 1) the guy goes for a save, or 2) you find the guy while the other is slugged.
How you even think they are the same baffles me.
It really baffles me how you can miss the point and NOT see it is the same thing. :P
It is nothing about "stretching the match". It is about the entitlement to get either a 4k or a 4 escape.
It IS the same.1