I understand camping is a valid tactic; but Spirit is bringing out the hard camp in some of you

People are just new at the spirit and not confident at using her or her power. Because of this, they're camping and playing much more safely even if this isn't exactly optimal.

Jack11803 said:

@Dabrownman1812 said:
Also, survivors won't help you get points, destroy the survivors

Isn’t every single thing killers get points from directly from or caused by a survivor?

Peasant said:

@Sarief said:
Can survivors not use every exploit they have? If so, maybe we can talk.
Soft camp is an efficient killer strategy, so what else killer supposed too do? Give free unhook to survivors who genrush, pallet loop and tbag? Rly?

I'm just asking you lovely folks to mix it up a bit. Survivors won't be scared of you if they're too busy being upset that they're facing the tenth camper/tunneler of that day.

@Jack11803 said:

@Dabrownman1812 said:
Also, survivors won't help you get points, destroy the survivors

Isn’t every single thing killers get points from directly from or caused by a survivor?

That still doesn't mean they helped you get points. I can't tell you how many times I've chosen to let 1 or 2 survivors go simply because the game ended quickly due to DCing or survivor stupidity. Yet I could count the amount of times on one hand that a survivor had that same mercy for me and let me get a kill in a match where I got destroyed.

Play as you want be it merciful or brutal that is your own choice.

@powerbats said:

@MegaWaffle said:

@Jack11803 said:

@Dabrownman1812 said:
Also, survivors won't help you get points, destroy the survivors

Isn’t every single thing killers get points from directly from or caused by a survivor?

That still doesn't mean they helped you get points. I can't tell you how many times I've chosen to let 1 or 2 survivors go simply because the game ended quickly due to DCing or survivor stupidity. Yet I could count the amount of times on one hand that a survivor had that same mercy for me and let me get a kill in a match where I got destroyed.

Play as you want be it merciful or brutal that is your own choice.

I've let myself get sac'd if I've done well and the killer got destroyed because I know how that feels and I try and play honorably so to speak. Something that seems to be anathema to many on here and in game as well.

I almost always let the last person get the hatch as a killer if they didn't teabag non stop and they aren't just afking in the entire match. I can't count how many times I've been told great killer etc for actually trying to let everyone have a good game.

On games where I've 3 or 4k'd I usually get a gg or something along those lines because I go for the unhooker not the freshly unhooked person. They're wounded and will be easy prey later plus that means 2 not on gens.

Exactly my point, far more often than not it's the Killer that shows empathy towards the other players, not the other way around.

My main point was not to blame killers for not letting survivors escape simply because it a BP event or to blame survivors for gen rushing if its a BP event. People will play as they want.

@Dabrownman1812 said:

All depends on killer, rank, map, survivor perks. 

True to an extent, during the summer event I'd never ever camped but had a Sabo jake when I was on huntress who I don't play much doing daily. He kept trying to sabo my event hooks with me on other side of the wall on Macmillan Estates.

I kept chasing him and losing him among walls P3 and the area was perfect for him but I finally downed him and camped his arse. I let everyone else farm because event hooks are a no no and I didn't go after him doing my regular hooks.

This David kept trying to rescue him and eventually the jerk kept going back to my same event hook even after being rescued and me going after the David. So at that point I hard camped him and after he got unhooked again I went after both and the Jake rage quit when he got downed a 3rd time.

The other survivors didn't know the Jake was doing that till I told them and they agreed with what I'd been doing and thought it was pretty jerkish of him.

For me personally I'll never try and sabo an event hook and as killer if you're saboing non event hooks i'll generally let it go unless you do it right in front of me. Then of course honor and practicality demand I go after you and try and hook you.

Had two killers yesterday that gave me a break n let me go as last survivor. I believe it was because of circumstances. One game surv left during loading and once game got going it was obvious another was trying to sandbag other surv n me. So killer farmed points from me as last alive n i did likewise for like 5 mins. I crouched at a hook after that to b fair since he had me dead to rights from start but he insisted i live. Kudos.

Second game. A Freddy let me finish a second gen after very short farm session with each other as the playstyle of the other 3 survs was obviously toxic and nowhere helpful. He then downed me for the point n carried me to the hatch. Kudos 2.

Long story short from here.. Play the game toxic n get screwed or play good n fair n those killer mains will reward u now and again when they know you got the raw deal. I do not ever expect this but was damn satisfied from the respect shown. I prolly play surv to killer 70/30ish

I cut people slack if its clear I am a grade above them. You can tell when some people just don't have a chance and the gap in skill is significant... sides that every one eles its business as normal. Just tonight, a SWF group got all salty case I 3k and camped the last kill with the gates open. Am I sorry.. not really.

Wall of text but the point remains the same, you got the hook then do a no skill play. You can call it what you want but camping takes no skill in any shape form or fashion. It's like a survivor hiding in a locker all match and only moving to another locker to avoid the crows.

This has nothing to do with shaming since most killers manage to do just fine without camping at 4-5 gens left. If all gens are powered then camping is completely understandable, especially if you've got no one sac'd before that.

If you're going to defend a no skill tactic at the start then that means the killer has no skill plain and simple and if it's a Billy or Nurse they're going to get 1 or more kills usually due to high mobility.

@Tanadris said:
Can we do a better job as Killers (especially with Double BP weekend) to give some Survivors a CHANCE to farm points? Patrolling between a hook and a gen next to the hook is not patrolling; you're camping and minimizing your point gain.

This degree of hard camping is being magnified by Spirit's ability to hunt down the survivor in pain; some killers leave no room for heals or the ability to run. This experience is not fair by any standard. Pallets have been nerfed; new talents have been created to put pressure on survivors; some Killers' desperation to pip is overshadowing the fact that points over time make it easier to pip over time.

I understand the animosity between Killer Side and Survivor side, but Killer point gain is easy compared to Survivors; they are at our mercy with lobbies, how well we hunt, and how well we disperse our presence so everyone gets points.

We need to be the better side for the longevity of this game and for a better player experience. I know that there are survivors that deserve to be camped, and by all means go for it, but if you are camping within the first 2 minutes of a game off someone who happens to be on the 2nd gen you patrol, you aren't doing anything beneficial to the play experience of yourself or others.

This is especially frustrating as a Killer main who has to watch some other Killers play like this when lobbies need Survivors to fill them. Seeing other Killers play bad hurts me, because I know you could do better if you tried not sitting on one gen and one hook all game.

Do better; treat Survivors better, because we are better.

You can't tell people how to play when they aren't breaking any rules. Very imperious.

Its sad that you want me to intentionally make openings for you and play like an idiot because you survs are entitled. This is a copy paste message notifying you that if a killer KNOWS 1 or more other survs are within 20m of the hook they too are allowed to patrol said 20m instead of going wandering off so you guys can feel better about your fake altruistic selfves.

Also non copy paste message. Spirit like the wraith has the problem of because of her stealth and mobility being seen to camp when shes not. she relies on mind games, switching targets and seemingly random, and hauling across the map. This means she will appear to be camping sometimes when in actuality she was very far away in mid chase.

This is a classic 'I didn't see you coming so you must've been camping' event that occurs for the pig, myers, wraith, and now spirit.

Also can I just say that I get really tired of the people that claim theres no skill involved in camping? knowing when to guard the hookl instead of making the game easier for survs takes a large amount of skill and awareness. managing the hooked survivor while 2-3 are all twirling around you actually takes some serious effort. especially when you know they're running borrowed time. In fact I would say far more skill than is required in your typical chase for most killers.

There's a big difference between patrolling the hook and actually standing right next to it, one is common sense after a hook. The other is just plain no skill to sit there and camp especially on 1st hook with 4-5 gens left.

If you know people are close or you're patrolling after a hook or come back after a hook when you just left that's not camping. But I know a few nurses and Billy's that sit just out of terror radius with M&A and wait for an unhook then come in and down the unhooked person and rehook.

That takes no skill to be a camper, at least bubba has an excuse to camp but the rest Billy and Nurse especially is just sad. If the exit gates are powered and you hook someone, it's commonly understood that's not a jerk move.

I'm sorry, I didn't know survivors gave a crap about killers.

What do you know.

Orrrrrrrr we could let players play how they want as long as they obey the game's rules.