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[Maths] There are too few perk-slots for all the perks
We got 4 perk-slots since DBD was born. Now, with x2+ perks, we still have that 4 slots.
Applying maths of equivalency, we should have around 10 perk-slots, not to mention, a set of 16 new perks will come with the next two chapters (a x3+ more perks in total since DBD was born)
The solution to this math imbalance is the logical increase of perk-slots.
I recommend an intermediate solution with a 5th perk-slot rewarded with Prestige III and a 6th with Devotion III.
Or are you willing to have 4 perk-slots with 100000 perks?
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I can only agree with this if u make it in 2 categories of perks. Because there are combo'es that are way too op to be fair. So for example all the clutch perks: Decisive/ SC/ Exhaustion Perks except adrenaline maybe/ IW and so on so forth are limited to 2 perks per build. Like they can only be placed in 2 slots of those meaning it's impossible to build something completely unfair.
And while we're at it we can also make a bonus perk slot just for WGLF and BBQ&C. So you can consider those as passives.5 -
@McCree I love your idea. Most of the time, when a new character is released, people don't use its perks because they're too used to their old build and feel unsafe when they don't run it. It could encourage people to try out new stuff, and I definitely could see perk categories.
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The game is intended to be balanced around 4 perk slots. Introducing more for both sides would break it, given how powerful the Survivor perks are.
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@Orion said:
The game is intended to be balanced around 4 perk slots. Introducing more for both sides would break it, given how powerful the Survivor perks are.Did u not read what I suggested? It would make it better for everyone. And it's not like just the survivors would have extra perk slots.
Here's a list of the survivors perks in 3 categories... initially thought I'd make just 2 but some of them are questionable.
If by any chance they make extra perk slots. They could easily have the perks made into 2 categories and make it so u can use just 2 of those super powerful perks at most.
Imma try to make a Killer one as well just to see how they balance each other.4 -
This doesn't really make any sense. But it's funny2
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The idea was also suggested mainly because by having more perks to play with and more perks you could build way more builds. And I came with the suggestion to add a limit so you wouldn't be able to make SUPER OP builds.
This is the killer one.
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@WhateverIGuess said:
@McCree said:
@Orion said:
The game is intended to be balanced around 4 perk slots. Introducing more for both sides would break it, given how powerful the Survivor perks are.Did u not read what I suggested? It would make it better for everyone. And it's not like just the survivors would have extra perk slots.
Here's a list of the survivors perks in 3 categories... initially thought I'd make just 2 but some of them are questionable.
If by any chance they make extra perk slots. They could easily have the perks made into 2 categories and make it so u can use just 2 of those super powerful perks at most.
Imma try to make a Killer one as well just to see how they balance each other.WHAT? How is Lithe, DH, SC, BL, IW and Sabo categorized as crutch perks? Is running a crutch perk too?
By cruch in that situation I meant powerful xD.
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@WhateverIGuess said:
@McCree said:
@WhateverIGuess said:
@McCree said:
@Orion said:
The game is intended to be balanced around 4 perk slots. Introducing more for both sides would break it, given how powerful the Survivor perks are.Did u not read what I suggested? It would make it better for everyone. And it's not like just the survivors would have extra perk slots.
Here's a list of the survivors perks in 3 categories... initially thought I'd make just 2 but some of them are questionable.
If by any chance they make extra perk slots. They could easily have the perks made into 2 categories and make it so u can use just 2 of those super powerful perks at most.
Imma try to make a Killer one as well just to see how they balance each other.WHAT? How is Lithe, DH, SC, BL, IW and Sabo categorized as crutch perks? Is running a crutch perk too?
By cruch in that situation I meant powerful xD.
Okay, sorry I got a little bit triggered over that, because if someone claims those perks are OP crutches... HHHHH
Yeah no I just went with the idea that if we were to have 5-6 perk slots as the OP suggested... Having the ability to use IW Decisive SB SC and 1-2 other perks was already way too much. This way you'd be limited to something like SB+SC +other 3-4 perks from the right side. Same for killers. Also if wondering why I put Thanatophobia at powerful perks... basically because having 5-6 perks would allow for way too much generator delaying and stuff so it had to be limited too.
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That would be the most reasonable way to do it but you'd need a separation related to what they affect, not just strong vs weak.McCree said:The idea was also suggested mainly because by having more perks to play with and more perks you could build way more builds. And I came with the suggestion to add a limit so you wouldn't be able to make SUPER OP builds.
This is the killer one.
Regardless it would need perk changes and a category implementation which would be a nightmare to balance. Given it's already pretty hard to do it at all I'd say just leave it alone0 -
nice meme
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It could encourage people to try out new stuff, and I definitely could see perk categories.
This. Some perks may keep forever unused or very rarely, so:
Why to invent 200 new perks when people is going to use just the old OP perks anyways? Some players do not use perks considered OP like DS (btw to be nerfed soonTM), like Truetalent
I don't have enough with 4 slots to make new builds because there are so many choices among the 60 (68 in future) perks from survivors, and 50 (58 in future) from killers, you can just choose 4? where is your head at?
I wanted to suggest a fair reward by grinding (Prestige 3, 5th slot) and hardcore grinding (Devotion 3, 6th slot), stop throwing misleading comments about OP perks and unbalance, that is not the issue
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If you want to incentivize people to use different perks, it's easier to just nerf the OP ones and buff the weak ones.
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@Orion said:
If you want to incentivize people to use different perks, it's easier to just nerf the OP ones and buff the weak ones.I dunno which mod removed my last post but, whatever...
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@BACKSTABBER said:
@Orion said:
If you want to incentivize people to use different perks, it's easier to just nerf the OP ones and buff the weak ones.I dunno which mod removed my last post but, whatever...
You probably edited it too much, which triggered the spam filter. I intended to reply to it in full, but could only remember the bit about incentivizing different builds.
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@Ashkiin said:
McCree said:@Ashkiin said:
McCree said:
@Ashkiin said: This doesn't really make any sense. But it's funny What's funny?
The idea that by having more perks you need more perk slots. The number of perk slots was never influenced by the availability of perks but by balance, which should be obvious imo
The idea was also suggested mainly because by having more perks to play with and more perks you could build way more builds. And I came with the suggestion to add a limit so you wouldn't be able to make SUPER OP builds.
This is the killer one.
That would be the most reasonable way to do it but you'd need a separation related to what they affect, not just strong vs weak.
Regardless it would need perk changes and a category implementation which would be a nightmare to balance. Given it's already pretty hard to do it at all I'd say just leave it alone
And here we have exactly the problem of categorising Perks, people are too biased to do that.
You put Thanatophobia as a crutch Perk for Killers. You yourself said that Crutch Perks means that it is a powerful one. Thanatophobia is by no means a powerful Perk. In the best scenario (for Killers) of 4 injured Survivors for the duration of a gen repair (which basically never happens) it only adds about 10 seconds to a solo-repaired Generator. That is NOT strong. A failed Skill Check has almost the same effect as it regresses Gens 10 % (8 seconds solo-repair).
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I understand this is a troll post but can we not pretend 6 + 6 is 16. Can’t even trollBACKSTABBER said:not to mention, a set of 16 new perks will come with the next two chapters
properly 😂2 -
@DocOctober to be fair I didn't even read the perks, just switched crutch for strong0
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@DocOctober said:
@Ashkiin said:
McCree said:@Ashkiin said:
McCree said:
@Ashkiin said: This doesn't really make any sense. But it's funny What's funny?
The idea that by having more perks you need more perk slots. The number of perk slots was never influenced by the availability of perks but by balance, which should be obvious imo
The idea was also suggested mainly because by having more perks to play with and more perks you could build way more builds. And I came with the suggestion to add a limit so you wouldn't be able to make SUPER OP builds.
This is the killer one.
That would be the most reasonable way to do it but you'd need a separation related to what they affect, not just strong vs weak.
Regardless it would need perk changes and a category implementation which would be a nightmare to balance. Given it's already pretty hard to do it at all I'd say just leave it alone
And here we have exactly the problem of categorising Perks, people are too biased to do that.
You put Thanatophobia as a crutch Perk for Killers. You yourself said that Crutch Perks means that it is a powerful one. Thanatophobia is by no means a powerful Perk. In the best scenario (for Killers) of 4 injured Survivors for the duration of a gen repair (which basically never happens) it only adds about 10 seconds to a solo-repaired Generator. That is NOT strong. A failed Skill Check has almost the same effect as it regresses Gens 10 % (8 seconds solo-repair).
I gave a reasoning to why I put that perk there. It's for limiting how many u can use of the gen stopping perks. You can't use ALL of them.
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So you don''t see a problem with doctor running distressing, sloppy butcher, nurse's, coulrophobia and ruin with some addons that cause exhaustion?
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@McCree said:
@DocOctober said:
@Ashkiin said:
McCree said:@Ashkiin said:
McCree said:
@Ashkiin said: This doesn't really make any sense. But it's funny What's funny?
The idea that by having more perks you need more perk slots. The number of perk slots was never influenced by the availability of perks but by balance, which should be obvious imo
The idea was also suggested mainly because by having more perks to play with and more perks you could build way more builds. And I came with the suggestion to add a limit so you wouldn't be able to make SUPER OP builds.
This is the killer one.
That would be the most reasonable way to do it but you'd need a separation related to what they affect, not just strong vs weak.
Regardless it would need perk changes and a category implementation which would be a nightmare to balance. Given it's already pretty hard to do it at all I'd say just leave it alone
And here we have exactly the problem of categorising Perks, people are too biased to do that.
You put Thanatophobia as a crutch Perk for Killers. You yourself said that Crutch Perks means that it is a powerful one. Thanatophobia is by no means a powerful Perk. In the best scenario (for Killers) of 4 injured Survivors for the duration of a gen repair (which basically never happens) it only adds about 10 seconds to a solo-repaired Generator. That is NOT strong. A failed Skill Check has almost the same effect as it regresses Gens 10 % (8 seconds solo-repair).
I gave a reasoning to why I put that perk there. It's for limiting how many u can use of the gen stopping perks. You can't use ALL of them.
That doesn't matter at all. It's not a strong Perk, there is no reason to limit it.
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how about adrenaline + DS + SC + DH/SB/Lithe + unbreakable + iron will
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@DocOctober said:
@McCree said:
@DocOctober said:
@Ashkiin said:
McCree said:@Ashkiin said:
McCree said:
@Ashkiin said: This doesn't really make any sense. But it's funny What's funny?
The idea that by having more perks you need more perk slots. The number of perk slots was never influenced by the availability of perks but by balance, which should be obvious imo
The idea was also suggested mainly because by having more perks to play with and more perks you could build way more builds. And I came with the suggestion to add a limit so you wouldn't be able to make SUPER OP builds.
This is the killer one.
That would be the most reasonable way to do it but you'd need a separation related to what they affect, not just strong vs weak.
Regardless it would need perk changes and a category implementation which would be a nightmare to balance. Given it's already pretty hard to do it at all I'd say just leave it alone
And here we have exactly the problem of categorising Perks, people are too biased to do that.
You put Thanatophobia as a crutch Perk for Killers. You yourself said that Crutch Perks means that it is a powerful one. Thanatophobia is by no means a powerful Perk. In the best scenario (for Killers) of 4 injured Survivors for the duration of a gen repair (which basically never happens) it only adds about 10 seconds to a solo-repaired Generator. That is NOT strong. A failed Skill Check has almost the same effect as it regresses Gens 10 % (8 seconds solo-repair).
I gave a reasoning to why I put that perk there. It's for limiting how many u can use of the gen stopping perks. You can't use ALL of them.
That doesn't matter at all. It's not a strong Perk, there is no reason to limit it.
I'm not limiting it in any way. I'm limiting the amount of gen stopping perks u can use. Dying Light Ruin And Thanatophobia... u can use just 2 of those. Then outside of those u could use Overcharge, Pop Goes the Weasel and Hex: Huntress Lullaby.
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Why is Iron Will and Balance Landing a crutch perk? BL can be so useless on few maps and Iron Will isn't strong like Adrenalin or Selfcare. :thinking:
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You've got four perk slots so you can only buff yourself up so much and you can't be a jack of all trades. Too many perk slots just means that all builds are going to start feeling the same. I've already got a fully decked out stealth build with only four slots. If you gave me another, I don't know what I'd add. Maybe sprint burst? Maybe self care? Bond? But then I'm not using a stealth build, I'm using a stealth-it'sokayifIgetcaughtbecauseI'lljustsprintoutofhereandusemychaseperksinstead-build.
I've always thought it would be neat if rather than a hard limit of four slots, it all worked on a point based system though. So say you have a 100 point limit for your perks, each perk has its own power rating depending on how powerful the perk is. Then you could either pick a few really good perks (maybe even only ending up with three perks) or roll with some weaker perks and have a more well rounded build. That way you don't need to worry about strict balancing because weaker perks would still have a place as filler perks to fill out your build, and stronger perks could remain as strong game changers since they couldn't be used with other super powerful perks.
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we have 60 surv perks and 50 killer's, and you have to choose 4, we will have 66 and 56 in the final chapters, still have to choose 4 and 90% of people will chose the same OP perks... really?? self-healing DS etc
having 6 perks would "encourage people to try out new stuff", otherwise most of perks would remaing unused
its about time to reward prestige III and devotion III with a 5th and 6th perk respectively
4 slots is not enough for the 60/50 perks to choose from... currently we have almost x3 perks than when DBD was born... its a matter of equivalency, if you say people can construct too OP builds, killers can too, althought that is not the point
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It is supposed to be like that the point of perks is to change the game for your favor and make you think about what to get.
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@Global said:
It is supposed to be like that the point of perks is to change the game for your favor and make you think about what to get.is the same to cook a 4-ingredients-pizza from 20 ingredients to choose from 60?
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@BACKSTABBER said:
@Global said:
It is supposed to be like that the point of perks is to change the game for your favor and make you think about what to get.is the same to cook a 4-ingredients-pizza from 20 ingredients to choose from 60?
wow wow wow wow wow wow wow. now if you bring pizza into the equation we got a whole differetn story
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Lol dude I laughed so hard! Excellent point 👍 I think they will soon expect us to start with broken legs! 🤭😂🤣WhateverIGuess said:@McCree said:
@Orion said:
The game is intended to be balanced around 4 perk slots. Introducing more for both sides would break it, given how powerful the Survivor perks are.Did u not read what I suggested? It would make it better for everyone. And it's not like just the survivors would have extra perk slots.
Here's a list of the survivors perks in 3 categories... initially thought I'd make just 2 but some of them are questionable.
If by any chance they make extra perk slots. They could easily have the perks made into 2 categories and make it so u can use just 2 of those super powerful perks at most.
Imma try to make a Killer one as well just to see how they balance each other.WHAT? How is Lithe, DH, SC, BL, IW and Sabo categorized as crutch perks? Is running a crutch perk too?
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4 perks is balanced. Adding a fifth and 6th perk slot would change the balance of the game in so many ways.
an example is hex totems. With the release of the spirit, you can have 5 hex totems. Add an extra perk slot and then you have 6 hex totems. Not a big deal until you realize one of those is Thrill and it would give additional bp based on the extra totem potentially throwing off multiple maths as well as totem placement0 -
I can't get behind your reasoning: Your point is that the amount of slots should increase because the amount of Perks increases.
It'll be terribly balanced that way, i MUCH prefer 4 slots and 100.000 Perks.1 -
Cool idea, and nice mathematics, but unfortunately no.
Mentioned before, the games balance revolves around 0-4 perk slots. An exceeding that limit would feel like a huge break to the game and would end up being reversed anyway.
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@Dudddd said:
McCree said:@Orion said:
The game is intended to be balanced around 4 perk slots. Introducing more for both sides would break it, given how powerful the Survivor perks are.
Did u not read what I suggested? It would make it better for everyone. And it's not like just the survivors would have extra perk slots.
Here's a list of the survivors perks in 3 categories... initially thought I'd make just 2 but some of them are questionable.
If by any chance they make extra perk slots. They could easily have the perks made into 2 categories and make it so u can use just 2 of those super powerful perks at most.
Imma try to make a Killer one as well just to see how they balance each other.
Since when is Iron Will a “crutch” perk?? Crutch is a made up phrase salty individuals in this game come up with when they’re in a dilemma that doesn’t favor them . just git gud instead of pointing at people because they play a certain way.
It says clutch, not crutch.
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The number of perks we are allowed to use in any given trial is limited to four because those are the constraints the devs chose to work with for balancing the game. If they made more perks available to use per trial, they would likely need to overhaul each and every perk because each one yields power in relation to the traits of all other perks, and the 4 perk slots... and add-ons, and offerings, and powers etc..
I suppose they could have already sorted more perk slots out a long time ago, and are just waiting for a DLC or big update to implement it, but in my opinion, there are too many imbalances that can be created with 5 perk slots.
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The only perk I need0 -
@Silas said:
The only perk I needUnless it's Olive Garden's garlic breadsticks, than it's a waste of a perk slot.
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Well, balanced it is not. Lol.Orion said:The game is intended to be balanced around 4 perk slots. Introducing more for both sides would break it, given how powerful the Survivor perks are.
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I can assure you it's not a waste. Especially not in tier 3.ShrimpTwiggs said:Unless it's Olive Garden's garlic breadsticks, than it's a waste of a perk slot.
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Hi, Jake Park main here. Let me inform you that Saboteur is most definitely not a clutch perk. Sabotaging hooks can be an effective strategy, however it is far from perfect as it actively punishes the saboteur every step of the way. First off, sabotage takes time, a lot of time. You need to thoroughly search the entire map to ensure that all hooks have been broken to 99% and you must get all of them or suffer heavy consequences. Then there's the clutches. Saboteur can be effectively used in two ways. You can sabotage hooks right as a killer tries to hook your allies, or you can mass sabotage hooks for a three minute grace period. The first scenario, the save, is potentially damning because if the killer tunnels you your team is screwed. (All of that sabotage time would have been better spent on generators)McCree said:@Orion said:
The game is intended to be balanced around 4 perk slots. Introducing more for both sides would break it, given how powerful the Survivor perks are.Did u not read what I suggested? It would make it better for everyone. And it's not like just the survivors would have extra perk slots.
Here's a list of the survivors perks in 3 categories... initially thought I'd make just 2 but some of them are questionable.
If by any chance they make extra perk slots. They could easily have the perks made into 2 categories and make it so u can use just 2 of those super powerful perks at most.
Imma try to make a Killer one as well just to see how they balance each other.
As for the grace period, that's simple. Each broken hook creates a notification for the killer. So once one side of the map starts exploding you can bet your shards they're gonna beeline straight for you. If you get caught before the hooks are all broken it's also very bad for your health.
All in all, it can be a decent perk, but not enough so to that it's on par with SC and DS.0 -
What I will say is that it would be nice if every single survivor didn't use self care immediately after they get away. Lemme just smash their faces once over rather than them drawing the hits then hiding.0
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not to mention... there are too few Shrine of Secrets slots
1º) DBD was born: x4 slots
2º) Now with +x2 of perks: x8 slots (nope, just 4)
3º) End of game +x3 of perks: 12 slots (nope, just 4)
now tell me again this may break the game~
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@BACKSTABBER said:
not to mention... there are too few Shrine of Secrets slots1º) DBD was born: x4 slots
2º) Now with +x2 of perks: x8 slots (nope, just 4)
3º) End of game +x3 of perks: 12 slots (nope, just 4)
now tell me again this may break the game~
When I bought my car, it had 4 cup holders, and I had 8 cans of soda. But now I have 16 cans of soda, therefore I need 8 cup holders. Eventually I will have 32 cans of soda, so I will need 16 cup holders.
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