Who thinks the hex " no one escapes death " is fair? Because I think it should be removed.

You can prevent it from happening entirely. Yeah I know it's frustrating if you're solo and no one else bothers doing totems and it's definitely used as a crutch perk by some killers (you should usually be able to tell which ones these are by how uninterested they are in doing gens) but there's lots of annoying perks on both sides that aren't overpowered. And a hex perk that doesn't activate until the end and can be disabled before it even activates is not overpowered. Accept totems as part of your objective or accept the risk of you choosing to ignore them.

Noed is litterly comparable with all the second chance perks survivors have

Noed: do Bones

DS: dont tunnel or dumpster the survivors

Unbreakable: dont slug

All these perks arent that great for the game, but a good killer or survivor Will keep these perks in mind when playing the game.

You see a Just unhooked survivor on a gen and wont run away when you come closer? Well they have ds so prepare to slug.

Killer played poorly or didn't used any perks during the early and midgame?

Well he either uses noed or a full endgame build.

Do the damn totems. Jesus.

Legion, ghostface and huntress op, you really are clued up aren't ya?

The game is literally balanced around gens being done and 2 people escaping yet people insist that using NOED is for noobs who can't do their objective, you wat mate? This is why the devs don't listen to you guys, you don't have common sense.

Thats a list of choices, you dont have to equip them ALL. Just using 1 of those things is fine.

If you don't do bones before the gens are done, that's on you. NOED punishes survivors for not doing the bones, you can literally counter it before it even comes into play. You could also bring a map, then you would be able to find bone more easily. You have so many different ways to find the bones, and you stick with the complain until you no longer have to do it route.

All they should do is add a totem counter to small game or something. NOED itself is fine, the main problem is that often you have no idea if your teammates have done anything regarding the totems.

Its fair give up a perk slot and reach the end of the game with at least one dull totem remaining for a boon. It can be countered by just taking some time to do bones every now and then.

I think it's fair. I remove it all the time by cleansing totems.

@Flyguy115 your argument is really stupid - if you don't get any kills thats because you're lacking skill by a proportionate amount lol

bones aren't so easy to do when you need to get gens, saves, run the killer as a solo player, the fact you said they could get into a locker with DS as well like that was even a point, if you want them so badly can you not just wait it out lol

its definitely an advantage, but also a disadvantage. You have keys for a free instant escape, you have things like DS and borrowed time, which have no counters except for wasting your own time as a killer, which hurts you, so you get punished for playing into it or you get punished for playing around it, no winning there. Match that up with current gen speeds, how fast some games go, and how little time killers actually have to manage and balance the generators and the survivors. NOED, also, like somebody else said, makes it so that the killer has to play with 3 perks the entire game. You realize, that you, as a survivor team, play with 16 PERKS OF YOUR CHOOSING. and if someone brings NOED? They play with 3 until endgame, and at that point, if they played well enough to get through all 16 of your perks, all of your pathings, and all of your loops, they deserve the win. And if they don't play well, and end up getting a one hit down, wait. If they pick up the surv, open the gate and leave, dont go for the save, or do totems before going for the save. Totems were introduced as a secondary objective, and i personally believe they should be required to be done for game progression. Have 7 totems spawn instead of 5, make it so that to finish a gen, a totem needs to be done. This will weaken noed, (only two totems left in endgame) and slow down gens a tad bit. Thats just a way I'd "fix" it. But, in the end, NOED is balanced in a sense of gamestate. Is it fair if youre the last survivor left? Not really. But go for hatch instead of a gen. Even in instances where its 2 survivors left and you finish the last gen, play it safe. Go for hatch. Its that simple. Or, like other killer mains like to say, "Bro, just do bones."

I play about 50/50 killer/survivor and of the Survivor matches I play it's swf maybe once or twice a week but the majority is solo. Cleansing while playing solo is super simple unless the killer is laser focused on you. Most totems spawn near gens. Generally I'll find another Survivor working on a gen and I'll find and cleanse the totem next to them then help them finish the gen. Or see someone is in a chase and I'll finish the gen first then hop right on the totem. It's really not hard. If every solo does one dull totem that leaves one left on the map for NoED to activate on or a second dull for a you or another solo to get. Sometimes NoED activates and then it makes it easier to find the totem because now it's glowing and makes noise when you're near it.

Personally I never run NoED as killer because it's too unreliable. It can be removed before even activating, depending on the killer there's no mobility to patrol both gates and get more than a couple downs, by the time it activates I usually only have a couple hooks so the Survivor isn't gonna die because the totem is cleansed before the rescue, or I only get 1k after a really bad match and only because of a perk. The only Hexes I'll really touch are the Third Seal because it really messes with Survivors early game and gives the opportunity to get them to struggle phase before anyone can find where I hooked them; and Haunted Grounds because I want it to be cleansed for the pressure since most Survivors hide after Haunted goes off it becomes almost a full minute of no gens being worked on because they're too scared of the insta down.

TL;dr: Doing bones isn't that hard as solo and NoED is unreliable at best and the reward is a couple hook states against a strong team or a 1k against a weaker team.

Detective's Hunch and Inner Strength are my go to perks every match because NOED is such a common occurrence. Really, if I can't get all five totems cleansed by the time it activates, I probably deserve to go down.

DS and BT can't be prevented.when EGC starts most likely they going to get out,noed can be taken out soon as you get your first down with it if it not removed before even activated.

Yeah, or like having a perk that lets you just get away for free if you manage to get yourself downed less than a minute after getting unhooked. Good thing survivors don't have perks that reward them for being bad at the game.

I feel this, I'm the worst killer main. I have fun though and laugh at myself, but as PH I downed 2 survivors tonight while they teabagged near the gate just after opening it, when I play survivor and actually manage to get out I just leave, no time in case NOED is activated so I run outta there.