Should the Spirit’s perk “Rancor” get nerfed?

mrotree · September 2018

1.With Rancor as a killer, you are able to one-shot -down the Obsession and KILL him/her directly when all the gens are done. The obsession may even get deprived of the chance to use his DS, let alone someone doesn’t have DS and just get bad luck.
2.Meanwhile, the obsession can simply see the killer’s aura for a mere short time, which is of little benefit.(the killer can see you as well)
3.I think this perk is unfair to the Obsession, especially those who got bad luck and accidentally got spotted after 5 gens.
4.But other obssetion-related perks have both good and bad influences on the killer/survivor. (Let’s not talk about the DS) Object of Obsession takes great risks to get spotted by killers; Play with your food and Save the best for last allow your obsession to flee; Dying light is powerful but you must sacrifice your obsession early; Remember me delays the time of opening gates except the obsession.
5.So here’s what I’m trying to say: should this perk get nerfed, or get changed to be more balanced?

βLAKE · September 2018

I feel like it should keep the mori at the end, but lose the one-shot or at the very least have the obsession be in the exposed state for a certain amount of time. I do hate how sometimes I will play an almost perfect game (did gens, altruism, stealth, etc) and then in the end I just get one shotted and mori'd.

Unknown · September 2018

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powerbats · September 2018

It's fine and if you're the obsession you get to see the killer as well and it's just part of being something to deal with.

Unknown · September 2018

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The_Manlet · September 2018

It's not even a particularly strong perk. It gives somewhat useful information every time a generator gets popped, at the cost of also giving the obsession information. Then when the gates are powered you can one-shot and kill a single survivor, who has known since the very first generator popped that this is going to happen. Any half-decent player will strongly avoid the killer and play cautiously, some may even say cowardly, once there's only one generator left, and will let others risk opening the gates.
The only people who have deluded themselves into thinking Rancor is strong, let alone overpowered, are the survivors who use Decisive Strike every single match and are now finding that their get out of jail free card is no longer entirely free.

George_Soros · September 2018

Rancor is pretty weak already. Killer doesn't see WHICH WAY survs go, unlike when using Bitter M or BBQ. And you have to be VERY unlucky (or silly) to be caught after the fifth gen.
So many players still can't see that the most reliable protection against killer is still stealth.
Rancor is fine as it is, far from being OP.

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HP150 · September 2018

It will probably never be meta.
It's weak as a tracking perk (outclassed by Tinkerer, Bitter Murmurs, and ofc BBQ&Chili and Whispers).
It's pretty much a weaker NOED end game that only activates on a single survivor. What happens if the Obsession has been playing like a dumbass despite being able to track the killer and gets killed before exit gates are open? Now you just have a neutered Bitter Murmurs.

Orion · September 2018

It's fine as it is.

Eninya · September 2018

It will never be better than running NOED. Honestly, the only thing I want to run Rancor for is stacking with Remember Me and Dying Light.

Get your tokens, all generators get repaired, and then you execute your obsession and the Exit Gates will take forever. lol

Eight · September 2018

It's fine. Play as a killer with that perk a bit more and you'll see.

It's a fun one to run - not so powerful as to make it a "must", but powerful enough to justify a spot in the loadout. The obsession can still escape, Rancor is not an automatic kill (even assuming the obsession is still alive when all the generators are powered). And I've been up against smarter groups this weekend where on the way to the gates, the other survivors have even protected the obsession, just in case.

CoolAKn · September 2018

Rancor is an inconvenience at most if you are prepared for it. Like others have said, you should be able to tell if the killer has Rancor well in advance unless you A) are not paying attention; have an obsession perk; and/or C) have Dark Sense.

Tsulan · September 2018

I have an idea. How about obsession perks only work if both the killer and a survivor use one? Wouldn't that be fun?!

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CoolAKn · September 2018

@Tsulan said:
I have an idea. How about obsession perks only work if both the killer and a survivor use one? Wouldn't that be fun?!

I think only killers with obsession perks should have an obsession. This means if you are facing 2 people with DS and you do not carry an obsession perk, both of them have to wiggle the designated amount before being able to use it.

Alternately, if a survivor runs an obsession perk and the killer doesn't, the killer should be compensated appropriately with having an obsession they didn't ask for. Same for survivors that become the obsession while not having obsession perks.

Zavri · September 2018

it's fine, it's essentially a dead perk the entire game until the end and it isn't even strong. There is no aura reveal, it's a LOCATION REVEAL like a doctor scream. If it happens during a hook you get no chance to even look around, lmao.

CoolAKn · September 2018

@Tsulan

An idea for reworking the obsession mechanic: add a fourth tier to all perks that can only be obtained via the obsession mechanic.

Killer Obsession Perk - yes; Survivor Obsession Perk - no = obsession's perks become boosted by one tier for the trial
Killer Obsession Perk - no; Survivor Obsession Perk - yes = killer's perks become boosted by one tier for the trial.
Killer Obsession Perk - yes; Survivor Obsession Perk - yes; killer and obsession's perks become boosted by one tier for the trial.

To further balance it, Decisive Strike and Object of Obsession would only work as if you were not the obsession.

yeet · September 2018

its not even particularly good imo

RSB · September 2018

NOED V2 incoming.

White_Owl · September 2018

The obession gets to see the killer's aura when the last gen is completed, it should be enough to go sneaky mode and avoid being found. Personally I rarely get to use Rancor at the end of the match because the obsession leaves asap everytime.

JoannaVO · September 2018

I think the option to see the obsession should be taken away, so that, in order to get the obsession (which is already made easier), you would still have to put in some effort. Though, survivors could also just block a hit for the obsession until the gate is open and the obsession can escape.

Delfador · September 2018

It is not a strong perk at all.

Sure if you are the obsession, it is gonna be very frustrating for you. However, the killer has little benefit from it. When there are 3-4 survivors left on the match, trying to down your obsession and mori animation lock will give other survivors the opportunity to open the exit gates and get out.

Instead of killing her, if you hook the obsession and allow other survivors to be alturistic, you will have much more success finding, downing, and hooking other survivors.

Marvel · September 2018

Rancor only shows an image of the survivors like doctor's scream image.
I think it's fine and if you think rancor is overpowered, what about BBQ? lol It shows where they run etc.

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Wolf74 · September 2018

Rancor isn't even that strong to begin with.
The effect from the perk is rather minimal until ALL gens are done and even than the obsession knows whats going on.

Jack11803 · September 2018

It’s not too strong in the grand scheme. It’s just WICKED personal. It’s the reason killers didn’t get a hatch like thing before. “Oh one escaped from pity, I still won” VS “I got killed by pity, I lost”

Wolf74 · September 2018

Survivor have a free escape mechanic called hatch and now killer have a similar mechanic, but have to pay with a perkslot for it.
Guess what? Survivor still think the first is fine and the second is unfair.
survivorlogic

Jack11803 · September 2018

@Wolf74 said:
Survivor have a free escape mechanic called hatch and now killer have a similar mechanic, but have to pay with a perkslot for it.
Guess what? Survivor still think the first is fine and the second is unfair.
survivorlogic

I explain why above, if you want to read it.

Swiftblade131 · September 2018

Granted I have not faced the spirit much, I would say a grand total of 23 times between the PTB and today.

And I have yet to run into other killers with the Rancor Teachable. (Might be better on some other killers?)

I have been the obsession without Decisive 6/23 of those matches. Only died to it once. It's really not to strong. And it's not even a guaranteed kill. (I don't run decisive, cause I hate being the obsession)

I don't like it simply because it makes me want to ignore a survivor, otherwise my perk is useless if I end up killing him. I want all my perks to help me throughout the game.

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Jack11803 · September 2018

@ZombieGenesis said:

@Jack11803 said:
It’s not too strong in the grand scheme. It’s just WICKED personal. It’s the reason killers didn’t get a hatch like thing before. “Oh one escaped from pity, I still won” VS “I got killed by pity, I lost”

I get that but I don't think they can balance perks based on hurting people's feelings. It's a game and if you're the obsession and don't have an obsession perk...play smart, play safe.

I just hide in really obscure spots! LIKE A #########! But hey, I’m a Dwight main

Tsulan · September 2018

Jack11803 said:

@Wolf74 said:
Survivor have a free escape mechanic called hatch and now killer have a similar mechanic, but have to pay with a perkslot for it.
Guess what? Survivor still think the first is fine and the second is unfair.
survivorlogic

I explain why above, if you want to read it.

Wolf is right tho.

Jack11803 · September 2018

@Tsulan said:
Jack11803 said:

@Wolf74 said:

Survivor have a free escape mechanic called hatch and now killer have a similar mechanic, but have to pay with a perkslot for it.

Guess what? Survivor still think the first is fine and the second is unfair.

survivorlogic

I explain why above, if you want to read it.

Wolf is right tho.

I know. I just explained why they hate it. I hate it too. I hate it a lot. But it doesn’t need a nerf

Unknown · September 2018

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Jack11803 · September 2018

@ZombieGenesis said:
Maybe provide some upside for the obsession like an XP reward if they lose the killer in a chase (like 150xp or something?) and a small reward if they manage to escape the game(500xp?).

Who knows. Maybe give them points for dying too. It may not make sense, but who gives a crap

DocOctober · September 2018

Should this OP git gud?

Absolutely.

Jack11803 · September 2018

@DocOctober said:
Should this OP git gud?

Absolutely.

Doing all the work, unhooking every one. Never getting downed. All this work, just to get quickly murdered does suck though, you can’t deny it. It pisses me off when I get a death sentence for DS users.... only I’m not using an obsession perk to warrant it

DocOctober · September 2018

@Jack11803 said:

@DocOctober said:
Should this OP git gud?

Absolutely.

Doing all the work, unhooking every one. Never getting downed. All this work, just to get quickly murdered does suck though, you can’t deny it. It pisses me off when I get a death sentence for DS users.... only I’m not using an obsession perk to warrant it

It sucks, but you'll just have to deal with it. Rancor only gives the Killer an Aura flare-up, not an actual Aura, you on the other do see theirs. You have all the tools to go stealth mode in that situation and not be found.

You can't be downed and killed if you aren't found. Let the others do the gate, then sneak out.

Jack11803 · September 2018

@DocOctober said:

@Jack11803 said:

@DocOctober said:
Should this OP git gud?

Absolutely.

Doing all the work, unhooking every one. Never getting downed. All this work, just to get quickly murdered does suck though, you can’t deny it. It pisses me off when I get a death sentence for DS users.... only I’m not using an obsession perk to warrant it

It sucks, but you'll just have to deal with it. Rancor only gives the Killer an Aura flare-up, not an actual Aura, you on the other do see theirs. You have all the tools to go stealth mode in that situation and not be found.

You can't be downed and killed if you aren't found. Let the others do the gate, then sneak out.

I do. I’m just saying it sucks. I may be a Dwight main, but sitting in lockers because I HAVE to is a disgrace to the Dwight gods

DocOctober · September 2018

@Jack11803 said:

@DocOctober said:

@Jack11803 said:

@DocOctober said:
Should this OP git gud?

Absolutely.

Doing all the work, unhooking every one. Never getting downed. All this work, just to get quickly murdered does suck though, you can’t deny it. It pisses me off when I get a death sentence for DS users.... only I’m not using an obsession perk to warrant it

It sucks, but you'll just have to deal with it. Rancor only gives the Killer an Aura flare-up, not an actual Aura, you on the other do see theirs. You have all the tools to go stealth mode in that situation and not be found.

You can't be downed and killed if you aren't found. Let the others do the gate, then sneak out.

I do. I’m just saying it sucks. I may be a Dwight main, but sitting in lockers because I HAVE to is a disgrace to the Dwight gods

But it is a way to deal with Rancor. As long as a Perk has actual counters, it's fine.

Jack11803 · September 2018

@DocOctober said:

@Jack11803 said:

@DocOctober said:

@Jack11803 said:

@DocOctober said:
Should this OP git gud?

Absolutely.

Doing all the work, unhooking every one. Never getting downed. All this work, just to get quickly murdered does suck though, you can’t deny it. It pisses me off when I get a death sentence for DS users.... only I’m not using an obsession perk to warrant it

It sucks, but you'll just have to deal with it. Rancor only gives the Killer an Aura flare-up, not an actual Aura, you on the other do see theirs. You have all the tools to go stealth mode in that situation and not be found.

You can't be downed and killed if you aren't found. Let the others do the gate, then sneak out.

I do. I’m just saying it sucks. I may be a Dwight main, but sitting in lockers because I HAVE to is a disgrace to the Dwight gods

But it is a way to deal with Rancor. As long as a Perk has actual counters, it's fine.

Yeah. Makes last second WGLF token clutches impossible though. WGLF should get buffed (more ways to get tokens)

Iceman · September 2018

Eninya said:

It will never be better than running NOED. Honestly, the only thing I want to run Rancor for is stacking with Remember Me and Dying Light.

Get your tokens, all generators get repaired, and then you execute your obsession and the Exit Gates will take forever. lol

Lmao, thanks I have not thought of this but it would be wasting my perks slot. I will until she gets buff mid patch to try this out.

Tsulan · September 2018

Jack11803 said:

@Tsulan said:
Jack11803 said:

@Wolf74 said:

Survivor have a free escape mechanic called hatch and now killer have a similar mechanic, but have to pay with a perkslot for it.

Guess what? Survivor still think the first is fine and the second is unfair.

survivorlogic

I explain why above, if you want to read it.

Wolf is right tho.

I know. I just explained why they hate it. I hate it too. I hate it a lot. But it doesn’t need a nerf

It's the perfect "counter" or at least backlash for DS. I even think it should affect all obsession perk users. Not only the obsession.

Jack11803 · September 2018

@Tsulan said:
Jack11803 said:

@Tsulan said:

Jack11803 said:
@Wolf74 said:

Survivor have a free escape mechanic called hatch and now killer have a similar mechanic, but have to pay with a perkslot for it.

Guess what? Survivor still think the first is fine and the second is unfair.

survivorlogic



I explain why above, if you want to read it.
Wolf is right tho.

I know. I just explained why they hate it. I hate it too. I hate it a lot. But it doesn’t need a nerf

It's the perfect "counter" or at least backlash for DS. I even think it should affect all obsession perk users. Not only the obsession.

I’d gladly give it that and promise safety for non obsession peeps

Volfawott · September 2018

Actually there's a complete difference the Killer can only see your aura in the same fashion as if you were shocked by the doctor or increased in Madness it's a blip basically.

Whilst the survivor gets full aura reading as if they were using dark sense.

This is actually incredibly significant because it means you can find out where the killers going and which area to avoid.

You could also do what I've seen a lot of people do as both a killer or a survivor simply wait and play immersed until someone opens an exit gate and then leave

EqMonkVeeshan · September 2018

@Aari_Piggy66 said:
Actually there's a complete difference the Killer can only see your aura in the same fashion as if you were shocked by the doctor or increased in Madness it's a blip basically.

Whilst the survivor gets full aura reading as if they were using dark sense.

This is actually incredibly significant because it means you can find out where the killers going and which area to avoid.

You could also do what I've seen a lot of people do as both a killer or a survivor simply wait and play immersed until someone opens an exit gate and then leave

I wounder how many survivors actually take dark sense because you know its obviously such an amazing perk! the rancor power gain is fine, but they should rework the downside to it dark sense is trash and no one runs it and in no way does it warrant the kind of power gain Rancor has in exchange for that. having that as a downside to using rancor is a joke. instead the downside to the perk should be the Hope perk. both are active as gates are powered. and this would also make it so the obsession wouldn't know until the gates was powered that the killer was running the perk. let the killer keep the aura bubbles aspect to it. and who knows if Hope was the downside to it. it might just make for some amazing end game chases.

fcc2014 · September 2018

I'm not a fan of the aura reading and the dumb circles when i use it.

OGlilSPOOK20 · September 2018

No

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