Killer stop crying and accept the game wants to be balanced around 50/50

Wait, how is trapper the most picked killer? I think he is terrible. I only pick him if I have a daily challenge.

Release of Trapper tome in the Archives.

A killer will not pip in a 50/50 game while survivors most probably will all pip even if they all die.

This won't be fixed either because it makes survivors feel above average and will be more willing to spend cash on cosmetics.

Right... but if those 6 hooks don't kill any survivors then why disable perks... then survivors will force use out of those perks (making killer feel even worse to play)

Also BHVR hasn't made any attempts to do it yet... other then taking killers whom survivors find "annoying and/or unfun" to play against and making them "annoying and/or unfun" to play as

Or survivors will kill themselves on hook to make those perks still effective... I think the opposite should happen and those perks shouldn't activate until 6 hooks have happened

Exactly. If a 2k is a win, why doesn't that alone net a pip? lol.

Sure doesn't feel like a win.

I don't think 2k is a win for killer. It's a draw. It shouldn't net a pip if we are just discussing kills alone. But honestly, the entire system is so trash that it makes the games feel very robotic if you want to pip, especially as a survivor.

One of the graphs is specifically for red ranks.

This graph was put out immediately after the nurse reworks, which is probably a big factor in why her kill rate was so low. I obviously don't know if it's gone up since then, but it stands to reason that it has, even given that her skill floor makes baby nurses out of average killers trying to do dailies.

DCs don't impact these numbers iirc, but sure, hook suicides are a thing. Thing is, the average kill rate was ~65%, and closer to 70% at red ranks, in November 2019. There is absolutely no chance that hook suicides were accounting for 15-20% of deaths. Even if they did, though, and we wanted to exclude them (despite that suicides usually happen in games the killer is winning anyway) the game would be balanced around 50-50%.

You also can't really discount these numbers much just because we can't break them down further. You just can't say which factors are driving these numbers. For example, let's say SWF really does give you a slightly higher chance of survival, and that SWF players actually have a 60% death rate. Alrighty then. SWF still has more than half of players dying, and that means the solo queue rate is going to be more like 70%. That's still a killer-sided game. Aggregates like this average in the full gamut of offerings, items, add-ons, god killers vs. baby killers going for dailies, easy/hard maps, good/bad items, SWF vs solo, etc. All of that is what comes out to ~65%.

These numbers can't tell us what BHVR should tweak in order to change the escape rate. It could be a combination of killer buffs and nerfs. It could be buffing survivor, especially since the kill rate rises at red rank when (in theory) both sides are played more optimally. It could be making PH's ass bigger. Who knows. We can't even say for sure that BHVR is targeting a 50% kill rate, unless they've said so somewhere. All we can say is what the kill rate currently is and, if we're defining "balanced" as 50%, that the playing field is tilted towards the killer side on average.

The one big caveat is that these numbers are eight months old, so it's certainly possible that they're out of date. If I recall correctly though, the main changes since then have been nerfs to toolboxes and coop repair speed, a rework to sabo (much faster, but lasts for much less time), making survivor add-ons get consumed at the end of every trial instead of on death, changes to some maps to make them smaller and to remove a few god loops, reworks to Doctor that most people would agree have made him stronger, Clown's had a modest buff, and we've had Oni/Deathslinger/Pyramid Head and the associated new maps and perks added. I'd expect that these changes would have actually increased the kill rates if anything, since these changes are largely beneficial to killers. Correct me if I'm forgetting anything major, though.

Am I saying "nerf killer", "SWF not OP", "down with killer mains"? Not at all. My feeling is that devs have been working hard to balance the game and have tried to improve the experience of playing the game. WIth that said, I am definitely tired of reading the endless comments on this forum about how killers are never prioritized, how survivor mains always get what they want because they're the majority, how SWF is cheating, etc. As of several months ago, killers are averaging 2-3 kills per match at all ranks and almost 3 kills per match at red rank. Meanwhile, the majority of the changes since then have actually benefited killer. People just need to chill and take a step back once in a while.

I play both sides and I've been a fan of the majority of the recent changes to the game. I think they've generally targeted things that are too strong for one side or the other, and are good steps on the road to balancing the game. This game used to be horrendously survivor sided but I feel it's more balanced now than it ever has been. I'm not saying we need to like every single change made to the game, or that there isn't still room for improvement. Still, let's just stop with the doom and gloom, chill out, and enjoy the game.

Sorry I set you off a little but ya the reason I believe survivors stats won't ever be used is because it wouldn't make any sense compared to the killer stats. Plus a survivor as a whole doesn't impact the game unless you play as a blendette.