Why I think Noed is not unfair or op perk

Your argument is invalidated by the fact that the "counterplay" to the perk is stronger and more useful than the already ridiculously strong and completely unearned perk.

You want to run NOED and claim its balanced? Fine, I hope you get all my DS/UB opponents/teammates. Y'all can go have a nice time together. Away from me. In your trials of boring, frustrating mutual toxicity.

I would argue that totem scouting is not wasting time because it's one of those secondary objectives in game, plus you can bring perks and maps to help you scout for totems, essentially taking less of your time to find them.

They should add a totem counter and make totems more faster to cleanse, I think that would fix noed problems

Also it's a hex. So chances are high it'll just spawn next to a generator anyway.

This, exactly.

One of the two main reasons I quit being a survivor main was the insane amount of tunneling/camping killers running NOED. Do the gens and leave, only to get one or two more fed to the mouth breather playing killer at that moment. It was very boring, always led to crap BP whether you got out or not, and fed overall bad behavior. The tunneling and camping has taken over killer play from rank 20 to rank 6. You can easily rank into red ranks being a braindead mouth breather tunneling hardcore in every match. Why? NOED. If you stop to cleanse, you give the killer 1-2 more kills. If you don't, you give the killer 1-2 more kills.

Easy fix that really helps solo players more than SWF, and in reality, helps killer players get better (I could go into the lesson I learned about NOED as a crutch when I started playing killer, but I'll save it for now).

1. Totem counter attached to Detective's Hunch or Small Game: As a player who favors running Trapper and Pig over all other roles, I have no problem with a totem counter. Why? The more time you are cleansing totems, the more time you are not on a gen. I'll take every second I can get.
2. Make NOED require a pre-requisite to activate - but guarantee it activates regardless of totems remaining. Or, remove it as a totem, give it a pre-req and have it be a 60 second burst at the end of the game. How would this work?

• NOED does not spawn unless you get x number of hooks, or hook each survivor once. Period. You have to spread it around. This may be a bit controversial and could hose over killers where someone DCs or dies by other means (RBT).
• NOED is on a timer. For each hook you achieved during the match, NOED lasts 45 seconds plus 30 seconds per hook. The more you hooked, the longer it lasts. If you gain 7 hooks in the match, it is permanent until destroyed.
• NOED is no longer a totem, it is a 60 second end-game burst.
• NOED is no longer a totem, it is 45 seconds, plus 20 seconds per stack (stacks are gained for each hook).
• NOED is still a totem, but if the killer did not achieve 5 hooks during the match, the totem's aura can be seen by all survivors on the map.

For those who say it would be too limited in the end, why waste the perk slot, so are several other survivor perks. Hope is extremely limited, yet still used. NOED, in any of these above forms, would still be a great perk for end-game builds. It would not be removed from any of my EG perk builds.

Look, I don't really care about NOED. In it's base form, it is a good perk. I do hate seeing it abused by lazy players who get rewarded for crap efforts. It punishes players already being punished by a lazy, toxic killer. Sorry, but hardcore camping/tunneling from the start is lazy and toxic. It is also insanely boring! So, if it gets nerfed, you can thank these types of players that are often defended on these forums. Just like toxic survivors earned a healing nerf, in no small part due to self-caring at pallets, lazy killers are pushing for a NOED nerf.

For the first issue, give us a totem counter.

For the second issue, literally just use your brain. If you know a Killer is camping and you see gens start to fly, that means the rest of your team is genrushing, meaning you have all the time in the world to go hold M1 on bones.

the solution is to rework the perk to not activate just because gens are done and totems are active. There needs to be another prerequisite. Played many games with killers that camp each survivor they catch and then gens are done and they have a 1 or 2k and then they slug with noed and get the last two kills because you guys allow the perk to exist as is. CHANGE IT for the better of this game because it ruins this game's experience. Just make it require all four survivors to be hooked and the totems and then the toxic camping people that use it have to adapt. You guys have expressed not wanting camping to be desirable and punish the killer's points for it but its not doing anything. Making it require each person be hooked won't affect killers that play effectively because they'll get the four hooks but killers who camp the whole game won't benefit from it and will be further punished for their bullshit strategy that works because you have this perk that helps encourage it.

Survivors will have to continue doing totems, BUT killers will have to do something other than having the perk equipped or guarding totems. It will force them to hook survivors which is their goal to pressure them. Yes camping can be a legitimate strategy , but when its their only strategy and they do it the entire game what are the survivors not in a coordinated swf supposed to do?? They just lose and it turns people away from this game.