This forum is very killer biased.

It's not reasonable to blame matchmaking for boosting stats, especially only based on anecdotal evidence. Every time a killer gets matched against a team that's too weak it stands to reason that another killer is being matched against survivors that are too strong.

It's also not reasonable to balance a game around the sweatiest SWF players trying their hardest. Balancing around SWF means solo queue gets annihilated because they don't have the information the devs are expecting them to have in order to do well. Right now the devs need to strike a balance such that solo queue are worse than average but not hopeless and SWF are above average but not dominant. 65-70% kill rate says to me that the balance is tilted towards the killer side. There are necessarily very few SWF god squads out there or the kill rate would be lower.

I 100% agree that SWF is a balance issue, but that doesn't mean that survivor is OP. Unless survivors are in SWF sweating their balls off the opposite is true, and we still don't have stats for SWF so this is mostly just an educated guess. SWF is going nowhere, so the only real ways to handle this would be adding voice chat to the game or otherwise buffing solo queue to limit the information gap vs SWF.

Judging wins based on pips is your prerogative, but especially at red rank you're not going to get much useful information from that. You could play Plague or another killer that can also down survivors with their power, dominate a team in 3-5 minutes, and safety pip because you won too much. The survivors in that lobby still got 4k'd, they all probably depipped, and they're going to feel like they lost too. If everyone loses that doesn't mean killers need buffs. Pips are just a messy way to judge success... some killers pip really easily regardless of how well they play while others need to really fight for their pips.

68% is pretty much right on the average kill rate in red ranks as of the last stats drop.

If balancing around 50% means killers have no chance against top survivors, that means a few things. 1) Solo queue needs a buff. Survivors shouldn't have that much more of an advantage from SWF. If you don't close the gap between solo queue and SWF you're either screwing solo queue or you're screwing killers. Given the 68% kill rate, though, right now solo queue and casual SWF (i.e. ones that aren't sharing much or any information with each other) are getting hit harder than killers are. 2) Matchmaking needs work. You should not be facing top-tier sweaty survivors unless you're a top-tier sweaty killer. You should also just have most consistency in the quality of teams you're facing.

I think survivor is absolutely the power role and 4 good survivors even not on comms can give any killer a run for their money. But Solo queue is a bad experience because very often you are not teamed with 3 good survivors. I have the rare game where I am teamed with 3 other good survivors in solo queue and it's usually completely in our favor with 3-4 escapes. I think the only time it wasn't was vs a very good nurse and we only got 3 gens done. But a killer player of that quality playing the best killer in the game is quite rare.

Most solo queue games are pretty bad, but I maintain that's because there are far too many boosted survivors. Which is a problem because it promotes even more people to play swf since it's common to get teammates in red ranks who crouch walk everywhere, miss skill checks, run away from a killer not coming for them, can't loop, run to dead zones, and generally waste time. Those players make solo queue bad, make survivor look weaker than they are, and make killer kill rates higher than they would be otherwise.

Again, I hope that the new matchmaking fixes stuff and people are actually put in similar skill pools. I'm relatively certain if it did the data would show a very different story than 70% kill rates at red ranks.

You are mad because killers are complaining about ruin still?

One question. You wake up tomorrow and see DS has been changed, DS now allows you to slow down the killer by 10% if you are being chased by the killer if 4 generators are done, but it ends after the fifth generator is completed, Would that be a fine change and everyone should just hush up about it because its been a while get used to it?

Imagine if they said "Survivors can hide to efficiently, they can sit in corners and sneak away and its too effective, it hurts killer fun, so we are adding a "sneaking audio que" withing 30 meters so the killer knows that somebody just crouched. Wouldnt that be the dumbest thing ever? Thats the kind of things killer players hear every day for any killer.

Legion too good, he can move.fast plz nerf.

Spirit can stand still while going invisible and then i run into her and she didnt go invisible so she neds nurf. Like..... Why are you running at the killer ANYWAY

The best afternoon special ending I can recall is the Static Shock gun violence episode.

No but I was referencing Popstar. The subtitle is literally "Never Stop Never Stopping" lol

I mean, is anyone taking YOU seriously? lmao

But he, or she is right.

Besides that, even while the forums are so "killer sided" (something thats a lie imo), your first posting has 29 upvotes by now.

How can this exist together? Would this forum be so killer sided, you would not have such upvotes ->.<-

But I can tell you a little story:

There was once a time, where I was completely happy with DBD and I mean completely.

I had not care about swf, about killer or survivor abilities, perks, maps, whateverrr!

But some survivors couldn't stop pushing. They needed to write nerf threads, they needed to show a bad sportmanship until bhvr has fall for them on their knees and obey to their wishes.

Then my favorite killer got nerfed... Oh, I am sorry, my mistake... "Reworked". And since then you guys have grow yourself a complaining killer in the forums. Of course you can say, that the threads and everything else was justified because whatever, but on this way you have grow the number of complaining killers.

And what had happened in the past to my fav killer is just 1 example. There are multiple examples more.

If you guys really want to stop killer mains from complaing, the behavior should stop to push killers in a edge.

If that is something survivors didn't want to do, its ok, but then don't complain that we complain^^.

So much to "killer sided". If that would true, the above have had never happen.

So I came into this very late, but my opinion on why this forum is killer biased is because a lot of players at higher ranks realize that survivors are in the power role, especially when SWF is involved.

That along with the atrocious matchmaking that more than often pairs lower rank killers with red rank survivors, everything leans very heavily on survivors making mistakes for killers to win.

For that reason, when a survivor main or anyone who is making a "nerf killer", "buff survivor" or any post that is in favor of survivor gets criticized is due to the fact that they more than likely don't need it, and killers still need a lot of work to make 60% of them viable at top tier.

Something I see a lot from survivor threads is the same, NOED too OP, camping, tunneling, Doctor, Legion OP! Most of these can be dismissed to survivors wanting to play immersed but cant against certain killers and hate it, so they call for nerfs. Noed can be countered so not going to go into that, as for tunneling and camping, sometimes thats what a killer needs to do to alleviate the pressure on themselves, especially against gen rushing and SWF.

Nobody will be able to break the cycle of nerf threads, that lead to nerfs, that lead to complains.

It will always be this way. The only thing that can be maybe getting better, is the way people speak to each other and well, I don't know if there will be something better in the near future.