This forum is very killer biased.
After using this forum for some time the amount of killer bias here is insane. Any thing that even slightly benefits survivors is looked down upon. I think the main reason for this bias is do to the fact that in the past survivors were op but nowadays they arent that strong.
But because of the effects of 2016-rarly 2018 real survivor problems are ignored and that's not good. If we continue to ignore problems survivors face the player base will decline and the killer wait times will increase and inevitably the game will die.
Killer mains stop looking at survivors as someone out to ruin your game and look st them as a human wanting to have fun playing too.
I'm tired of the us vs them mentality why cant it be just "us." Why can't we look at all the problems as a whole and work to fix them. I ask killer mains and survivor mains alike play the opposite side and get good at it try to understand their struggles.
For you killer mains that say survivor is op go plag solo survivor at rank 1 and ask yourself do you want to play swf or that. For you survivor mains that think killer is op go play wraith on ormond and ask yourself is this even fair.
You guys know moris and keys right? Yeah they are both broken they both need reworks. The point I'm trying to make is that we need to get together and combine the community rather than divide and only then will dbd improve its health.
Edit: went into a post about a survivor complaining about spirits stand still "mindgame" and slinger easy zoning and the majority of replies were from killers telling him off. Cant say I'm seeing the survivor side to this forum.
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I enjoy playing solo at r1 survivor. Ive escaped 3 out of 4 games today and only one of those was a mismatch 🤷♂️
I agree both moris znd keys need a rework.
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Yes, and rain is wet. Everyone here knows this already.
A few of us hold out hope that one day we will stop being an Us v Them community and try to make strides in improving the game as a whole, but it's more likely that Mick Jagger will appear in my front yard riding a Unicorn made of Lightning....which would be really odd. Not even sure where that came from. Maybe I played Cards Against Humanity too much?
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Yeah cause its the vocal minority. Most survivors just suck it up and dont run around complaining 24/7 when they lose a game or two (aka die).
Killers in here are mostly so bad, they never faced the "problems" they complain about themself, instead they saw a video of someone doing some crazy ######### and then come here and want it nerfed just because they WATCHED someone do it...
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This is where the killer mains write in their diaries.
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Yes, pretty much. And certain prick(s) take advantage on that.
The reason why it is that way is because survivors are more "vocal" in the post game chat. They just need to trash talk you in it to feel good, whether they lost or not. Killers are more vocal on the forums because or the butthurt cause by those matches.
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I think you're misusing the word bias. Playing both sides equally and realizing that one side is weaker and needs more help than the other is an analysis, not bias.
Bias would be if you only played one side and had a skewed perspective because of it.
The forums are not killer bias. What it is, is that there are many people that play both sides and realize where balancing is needed. You simply disagreeing with that, does not make them bias.
Also, "but nowadays they arent that strong.".
Yes, they are. No one is arguing survivors weren't stronger in that past, but that does not mean they aren't still too strong, they are. I play both sides at rank 1 and survivor is still very much the power role and I play almost strictly solo queue.
Most people already agree both mori's and keys need reworks as well.
"I'm tired of the us vs them mentality why cant it be just "us."
This is basically how you started this post, which makes it kind of hypocritical.
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I play on both sides, when I entered this forum the only thing i have complained about was SWF. I am not asking devs to make a nerf or remove it, i feel like something should change this part..
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A few people here are biased to either side, but i think most people here are pretty fair regarding balance.
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Yeah no a bunch of posts about whh swf needs to be removed or change you would.be lying if you didnt see em.
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Same can be said about you and the endless nerf NOED/X,Y,Z killers,Nerf camping/tunneling and so on.
Not trying to do us vs them but you shouldn't be throwing stones in a glass house.
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Bias would be if you only played one side and had a skewed perspective because of it.
That's the problem. Many killers here (and to a lesser extent survivors) show their bias in their posts. Just look at the amount of support the posts of space coconut receive despite the massive and notorious bias they have, its absolutely ridiculous. Truth is, it's not really about them wanting balance, but an easier experience for themselves.
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You have obviously been hanging around that whole Mick Jagger on the Lightning Unicorn thingy (see above post). I've been here for years and there is anything but common sense and fair analysis here. There is whining, crying, name calling, pessimism, complaining, finger pointing, condescension, etc, etc, but very little fairness. I do appreciate your upbeat tone though and hope it rubs off on others. Just don't read too much on these forums or you'll become a grumpy old Pig like me. lol
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Hello @azame
This is true. The reason for that is simple. People who have a bad gaming experience run to the forum and complain. My guess is that because the killer role is usually more frustrating (not harder, not weaker, just more frustrating!) more killer come to the forum then survivors.
On top of that, people who play Survivor can talk and complain about the game with their friends during the round, killers not so much, they are on their own. So they come here and see that others have similar problems.
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At least something is!
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Ruin says hello? And the 50 killer nerfs? Aka the killing of nurse Billy and legion.
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I never said nerf noed or nerf camping/tunneling although the three killers you speak of are not.healthy and one of my problems with this game instead of trying to.understand my perspective you dont.
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Here's the thing.
First of all, I should mention, that I mainly play survivor (just so you can see where I'm coming from).
I think a fair chunk of the complaints about killer are valid, such as certain low-tier killers needing a buff, the bad billy changes, keys, or full red rank SWFs sweating and destroying games. However, there's a lot of stuff that killers have that make the game no fun for survivors, such as Spirit with Stridor, Tombstone pieces, Pink Moris, etc.
There's BS on both sides, any way you slice it. That's why I encourage the devs to not listen strictly to the forums. We're just a vocal minority in the grand scheme of things. That being said, don't disregard our opinions entirely either, just make sure that you have a larger perspective than just the forums.
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Yeah this was obvious to me week one, but as soon as you point it out they accuse you of being a “survivor main”. You can’t win and many of them cant see their own bias
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Dont forget reddit and steam forums, all of these are pretty much dominated by killer mains.
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I think you have that completely backwards personally.
I actually didn't think SpaceCoconut received much support on those posts at all. I disagree with many things he has said, but there are some things I think he gets right. SpaceCoconut would be considered a bias person, but he literally states that himself, those aren't my words. He openly states that he is bias on the regular to his viewers.
''Truth is, it's not really about them wanting balance, but an easier experience for themselves."
I think this is a common misconception.
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I agree with you the problems you listed for killers are definitely valid its not whether or not.the complaints are valid its more of the fact that killers dont take anything survivors say into consideration and will gang up on one survivor in the forums over something they disagree with.
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Not quite. I am not that sure about steam forums, since I stopped visiting them about 6 months ago, but reddit is a mixed bag. Sure, when there is a killer nerf the typical reddit hivemind comes into play and the killer mains starts making their posts about how much survivors are catered by the devs etc etc, but outside of that time frame it becomes the exact opposite, I have seen some posts with a blatant survivor bias receive a considerable amount of support.
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Can you link me those posts haven't seen one of those in a while.
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I did a post asking why he's so bias, and I agree a lot of people were saying he's pretty biased, but some of them were giving support to him, which is ridiculous!!! Considering he talks about balance when he nevers plays survivor
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Exactly. Unfortunately, a lot of the people on the forums are fairly close-minded, and will live and die by their perspective of the game, and that's just something that will have to be accepted, since there's really no guaranteed way to change it. That's why I mentioned that the devs shouldn't strictly listen to the forums.
I remember a forum posted not to long ago that said "Spirit using Stridor has no counterplay, change my mind", and plenty of people just went on the post just to say "SWF has no counterplay either", and it was incredibly infuriating to see this "Us vs Them" mentality ravage the community and make people blind to other perspectives.
This place could definitely benefit from a little more open-mindedness, and only then will you see both killers and survivors actually start to agree on some things.
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I did one, idk if you were on it, but sadly it got removed by a mod.
Trust me, steam forum are completely killer dominated, and reddit? maybe, but I still see a lot more entitled killer main there.
Anyways if you really want to see a biased comment section, just watch a vid of tru3 getting gen rushed
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My point exactly it's just whataboutism at its finest why not say "yeah she has no counter play but a good swf doesnt too. Atleast something like that.
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I'd say it's more cry baby biased tbh
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Funny joke
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The forums are where killers come to complain and be toxic while in the actual match and post game chat is where survivors do their complaining and be toxic.
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I mean you have taken part of the Us Vs Them in many of your posts and with this thread. I mean you're straight up doing it now. lol
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I'll admit maybe two of my past discussions have been "us vs them" but that is out of frustration and I've been thinking about this alot this isnt even about us vs them if I didnt make that clear now in my initial post I'll make it clear now I want the community to come together.
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You're not supposed to name and shame members of this forum, I don't agree with everything he says but that was flat out harassment. You and several people started a hate mob. He was even compared to Ochido which is pretty low considering Ochido has some pretty messed up allegations. All of that because you disagreed with his opinions on the game. I'm willing to bet that's why the thread was taken down too.
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Then do that by following your own advice. Maybe even make that the title of your post next time instead of going after a single demographic.
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A lot of people play Both sides and are being reasonable so of course they are also going to disagree on idiotic changes. That doesn't mean they are killer mains.
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I will add that I play both sides and has exclusively started off as survivor because originally, I only had an interested in playing survivor since I wanted a horror experience((That's not what I got but that's a story for another day)). I had the same mindset you did, but worse until I started playing killer. For me, it isn't the nerfs or the changes the developers put into the game but it is the complete disregard and perspective by the community so this bares repeating: Killers are forced to obey a set of rules set upon them by the competition. Otherwise you will be punished at the end of the match by shame or harassment at the end of the match. I won't even get started on the fact that there are players that know this and are aware of it then they weaponize it against the killer.
You have four other players doing this and there's one you. There's also the fact that there are valid criticisms regarding the game from killers only to be dismissed by not only other players but sometimes the Trusted members and the Mods themselves, I have lurked this website for about a year or so before joining and that's what I witnessed. Hell there's literally nothing a killer could do or any character they can play that isn't considered "cheap" or "brain dead" and that's exhausting. Wanting to enjoy a game while others dictate how you do it is a turn off. Granted I feel some killers could want some pretty ridiculous things too like removing the hatch. But the amount of care you have to take to ensure others have fun at your own detriment seems to be a sacrifice only killers have to make. The developers should be responsible for that by giving us a rather tight and fluid experience.
If you want to know why there seems to be an irrational mistrust towards survivors, I'd start looking there. I did. I call out other survivors when they are harassing a player, I do it when I am killer towards other survivors that single out one of their own unfairly.
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I am taking my own advice also the titlemis because this really is very killer biased and i needed to get the attention of people so it is staying.
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Maybe the reason the forums are killer bias is because thats the side that is getting screwed over the most?
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Please use paragraphs it's very hard to focus on the block of text but I will comment on 1 thing. I play killer quite alot actually. I understand killer frustrations but survivors have the too, yet they are ignored and disguised as just wanting to ruin the killers game.
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I play 60-40% survivor
make a suggestion regarding Spirit, even something subtle such as both sides seeing her hand movements and all the anime Spirit mains come out of the woodwork explaining how I must want all killers to be weak (untrue) and loopable (the only defense survivors have)
this forum and wow forums are VERY similar in their toxicity
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Harassment? oh my bud, kinda like he always does to the survivor side? always making vid trying to make them look like satan?
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KiLlErS nEvEr GeT NeRfEd ThOuGh
sUrViVoRs ShOuLd GeT tHe SaMe AmOuNt oF bLoOdPoInTs FoR lEsS wOrK
You can tell these kids haven't made it past rank 15 killer. Typical.
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Here's a fact that just about everyone can agree on. The best survivors in the game will win against the best killer in the game. Meaning the game is survivor sided.
That means as killer, your only chance of winning comes from a survivor making a mistake. I don't like going into a game knowing that I can play perfect and still lose. That's the definition of bad game balance.
Then you have survivors that are just bad at the game screaming for nerfs when they already have the ability to git gud and win every time.
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Understandable, I took the time to fix my post. If you understand killer's frustrations then what are you doing? I'm pretty sure antagonizing people isn't a way to gain agreement. I'm not saying survivors don't have valid frustrations, but again I will refer you to my previous post before this one as of why that is. You also lack perspective. You play the game and deal with all of that crap then yes, you're going to be annoyed when other players try to dictate which killer you play, which perks you use, and which add ons you use. To me that's the main problem.
No you're being antagonistic and factually incorrect. You're going to see disagreements and I guess bias, that term has been thrown around so many times, anytime someone makes a post.
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I dont let people dictate which killer I play I just play killer. I agree it's annoying when survivors try to tell you how to play I get that but the point of the post is about how both sides struggle, have problems, but this forum seems to ignore the survivor side. Also I dont see disagreements and call them bias I call bias when you hardly play survivor then have the nerve to talk about how to they are.
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How often do you see the best survivors? That's true but not common. Another thing is you can say the same.thing for survivors you can only win if the killer makes mistakes like chasing a good survivor too long. Thats hoe any game works your opponent madonna mistake you capitalize on it and win.
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Ummm complaining about survivors or killers isn't the same as literally making a forum post about a member and singling them out.
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You're missing the point, only one side has to deal with that and its objectively the killers--at least as far as shaming goes. There isn't no "try" it is already happening, its deeply ingrained with our community and it has to stop.
No one is ignoring the survivor side on this site, its about perspective. It all depends on how you present your information to people. Look no further than SWF for an example, a problem killers deal with it. My problem with the way killers choose to talk about SWF is that they ask for nerfs and don't provide any nuanced reasons as of why SWF has an issue. To the average person, that killer is complaining to people about playing with their friends when that's not the issue. It's the same with survivors, when you guys make your suggestions they are always unrealistic and punishes the killer for doing their job which is to kill. Present your claims on a post in a way that's antagonistic or just plain silly then people are going to mock you.
That aside, I don't agree with mocking anyone that's venting and had a rough game and they just want to air out their annoyances. I could understand why camping could be annoying even though I do view it as a strategy that could be used, its boring to just sit there on the hook. The same with being slugged.
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7 out of 10 matches I get super strong survivors. People are under the misconception that your don't get them very often, I do.
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I hate to be that guy, but I'm about as "killer biased" as you can get and even I have to say, if you're getting "super strong" survivors that often, there's an element of "you need to get good" to this.
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