Why was legion nerfed?
Everyone here knows legion arguebly falls in the bottom 3 tiers on any list you see, and it's dude to one thing. He lacks lethality, sure he can injure but at the end of the day to kill he's an m1 killer.
• Attacking while in Feral Frenzy will no longer be a basic attack. This means that perks that trigger with a basic attack will no longer trigger under this circumstance.
This was a change he got in 3.4.0, and I'm just wondering, why?
I know a lot of people might argue (hahahaha but now you're getting perk benefits so easy he didnt deserve THIS MUCH POWER!!) The usual calling anything viable OP.
Maybe reverting these changes is what the legion needs right now. Sloppy allows him to slow down the game a bit in his favor, Franklin's disables bully squads, Save the best for the last allows him to actually be lethal and play agressively.
He did not need a nerf but certainly a buff we still long await. And I'm sorry but anyone who says as of now legion needs a nerf or "is in a solid spot" clearly hasn't played him in ranks 1-4, or might have gotten lucky.
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Legion got this change to make him consistent across the board. Pig's Ambush wasn't considered a basic attack. Demo's shred wasn't considered a basic attack. Yet Legion's was, so for consistency sake he was changed.
So I agree? Not really, but that's why.
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Maybe because old legion could run up to you at like 140% speed and smack you with feral frenzy until you were downed? 0 input from the survivor was required.
When legion's power counted for sloppy and STBFL you could have games where within a minute or two you hit 5-6 stacks, applied sloppy to everyone, and then never had to use your power again because STBFL at 6+ stacks is a power in itself.
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Legion with Sloppy and Thanat is awful. Absolutely awful.
Then removing sloppy off his frenzy was the best thing they ever did.
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> Maybe because old legion could run up to you at like 140% speed and smack you with feral frenzy until you were downed? 0 input from the survivor was required.
OP was talking about the 2nd legion getting the basic attack removed, not the original legion. That deserved a massive change and I'm glad he was nerfed that first time round.
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There was no real reason to nerf the Legion, if we only consider the game mechanics. If that would have been, the Legion would have been buffed, without cutting their mechanics in half.
But the Legion had bad luck.
2 exploits + a unknown count of people who have use them have combain together with survivor complainments and bring the Legion to fall.
Since then we are damned to play that boring m1 gameplay and have to do as would it give us a adrenaline rush, like the old m2 playstyle has :|.
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Why?
Twitch streamers with thousands of viewers were in effort trying to get him removed from the game.
Some of the biggest streamers of this game were showing his backwards walking cheese all day, while saying openly "maybe this will get legion removed" - Back then there was no call "to nerf Legion" they wanted him "removed from the game."
Majority of players had no idea about walking backwards, nor do the majority of players think like that - the behavior was encouraged on twitch and the cheese spread.
To this day, I blame them more than anyone, none were banned, only no-name legions who ran the "forever mending" exploit were supposedly banned, but people who showed the world how to do it,... well,... they still stream the game as if nothing happened.
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Barely a nerf to be honest. You are forgetting they also increased the vaulting speed of windows and pallets to pre-nerf numbers and increased movement speed of their frenzy to make it actually possible to catch up to survivors in loops. Oh, and the pins got buffed.
It only removed the reliance they had on sloppy butcher and STBFL. Besides that change (and the deep wound timer nerf, which was not really noticeable to be honest), it was a great buff that made legion way better to play. at least in my opinion.
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I remember the good and happy endgame chats with survivors and a friend of mine, who was a survivor main until he stopped playing DBD, as a Legion main to that time.
As I had read survivors influenced by those guys, I first thought I could not trust my eyes, so far was the difference between my endgame chats and what they were saying.
The only satisfying thing on the Legion rework was the playerdrop afterwards, that was to see in the Steamcharts. DBD needed 2-3 months to recover from it, far as I remember. Would they have not obey to their biddings, they would have today the same playerbase in their game + the guys who have drop DBD after this "rework".
There I am sure.
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I mean first legion was so obnoxious and required no skill whatsoever, you just chased the survivor and make him choose between an attempt to stun you or you land a free hit until he was downed.
Then moonwalking legion became trendy and it was a nightmare to face, even a spoon can follow a blood track with bloodhound.
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I think that if they just fixed the moonwalking exploit and the infinite mend exploit and nerfed Franks mixtape, survivors would have developed counterplay on old Legion. The devs nerfed him to quickly.
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Quick question, were you playing DBD when old legion was around?
Old Legion was probably the worst thing introduced into DBD. A lot of survivors complain about killers being unfun due to not knowing how to counter a certain killer, but Legion was generally extremely unfun to play (I didn't play as Legion until his remork) and against. There were so many exploits a Legion player could use, such as infinite mending (not exaggerating, it literally took five minutes to mend) and moonwalking Legion.
An average match of Legion would result with Legion hitting you with Frenzy, he would moonwalk whilst following the blood. The old deep wound timer would go down when not in a chase, when Legion was moonwalking it didn't count as in chase. So the survivor had two options continue mending and become an easy down, or run eventually to get downed to the deep wound timer.
Also Legion was the reason why borrowed time was buffed, let that sink in.
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The backwards cheese couldve been fixed without altering the charachter in the way it was done.
Secondly, using "infinite mending" as a justification for any changes to his design is absolutely ridiculous, two addons couldve been changed or removed, in fact they didnt even disable them at first which allowed the problem to get worse due to the reason I stated above: Twitch streamers trying to get him removed and encouraging the backwards walking and infinite mending. To make matters worse they made a statement that anyone running the addons would be "auto-banned" no reporting needed,... insteead of removing the addons. Or, gasp, fixing them?
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Y'know I heard a funny theory that in Star Wars no one brought up the issue with the Deathstar having a massive weakpoint was because if they did, they were afraid of being force choked to death. Shoot the messenger and all that.
A problem has to get fixed regardless of whether or not the problem wasn't publicized. Steamers are just on a platform that allows them to spread the word faster.
Is Legion in a poor state and needs a complete rework? No. He's fully functional in the right hands.
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This isn't Star Wars, and the streamers were doing it with the intent of getting him removed. It is bannable to show exploits on twitch.
Dont try to white knight them after the fact, their intent was harm. Nothing else.
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you never saw the old legion he was a pain just with 1 addon can destroy every survivor without any counter cant remember the addon but using hes power makes youre bar go down if he hits 2 times youll get downed if im correct
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I saw the old legion and I don't understand why people are bringing him up in this thread?
This thread is not meant to bring any of the infinite moonwalking bullcrap back.
It's only the basic attacks on his feral frenzy, to make it synergize with perks that could make him more aggressive and make the game last longer.
I do NOT want old legion back, he was super annoying to go against. I just want new legion to not be terrible against 3-4 survivors who can loop, because at the end of the day he's an M1 killer, he needs something to account for it.
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Exactly, if you notice people use the exploits as some form of reasoning to why he needs to be nerfed, ummm, how about remove the two addons that allowed infinite mending and address backwards cheese? Done, Legion fixed,.... but no they act as if we want those exploits back.
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If there is an issue, and I show you it's an issue, you sweep it under the rug and pretend everything is ok right?
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Hatchets, Chainsaw's, Corrupt Purge etc. Any special Attack doesn't work with Perks like Sloppy, StBfL, Surge. Why should Frenzy work with them?. They made it consistent so that only basic Attack's work with basic Attack Perks.
Old Legion was a Problem and very annoying to deal with so they changed him to be less annoying, why is that bad? He needs Changes but without making him unfun to play against. I find them fun to play as at the Moment, they're just pretty weak at chasing People.
They only need to give them some sort of better Chasing Ability and he'll be fine.
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Just load up on chase perks. I see people panic when pallets stuns and loops don't work.
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I had in my endgame chat probably more people being happy with the pre patch Legion, as I had seen in the forums complaining and that is not overdrawn if you think about it.
1 match means having already 4 survivors in your endgame chat. Multiply this with 10 (because I had make to this time at the minimum 10 matches/day) and we are already by 40 survivors.
And non of them had complaint about the pre patch Legion.*
The people have mainly do 4 things in my endgame chats to this time:
-They were silent. Not a single word.
-Short messages like "gg".
-Happy talks with laughs on both sides about my mistakes and theirs.
-Some were happy to had the Legion as killer, because it was something different to the usual m1 killer and they had encourage me to push them next time even more, if we would meet again.
To me and my Legion playstyle to this time:
-I had mostly play the Legion without Addons. At maximum the brown ones. Mostly to free my addon menu from brown addons.
-I had never kill a survivor with the m2 attacks because you couldn't do that with a Legion without addons. If someone has a different opion, this person is free to show me prove that it was possible against a at least standard survivor group via a video on YouTube, or wherever.
-But of course I had use them to hurt them and to finish them then off with a m1 hit afterwards or so. Also they had go down in this time via dw.
I bet I still have somewehre a small collage of some endgame chat comments laying around, to prove that my endgame chat was like that and if someone doubt my words then I say, prove it :). Prove that I have write something wrong. I know that you can't because I didn't, but I know that the people that have cryed in the past are still around and so I say, prove it for your first time in your life, that a Legion ->without addons<- was a gamebreaker.
Edit:* Most of the time. I remember that 2-3 times 1 or more guys have complain about the Legion, but man... 2-3 guys on what? Hundrets of people... I do not even care...
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Because his og ability was pretty op at the time. It forced survivors to waste way too much time and there wasn't really a counter to it. It use to take survivors up like 40 seconds to mend, and by then legion would have ability back, so he could survivors right back into deep wound. This created an endless cycle of mending pretty much, which was ridiculous when you combined it with old ruin. Not to mention he could just run up to a survivor in frenzy and hit them till they were down, making him the go to killer to tunnel survivors into oblivion.
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Because all I had to do to win was stab stab stab dead and after some changes stab moonwalk stab moonwalk stab moonwalk etc while they ofc hit him too hard legion is a tricky killer who I believe is the main one who needs a full rework and wipe of his current power similar to what happened to Freddy because it’s either too weak or too oppressive when they try to do any buffs or nerfs
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"Moonwalking Legion could have been fixed" It's like you don't play DBD.
Just have a look at the bugs that haven't been fixed yet. I'm pretty sure the silent slug bug has been in the game since 2019, but that hasn't been fixed. Often survivors are bugged where they the survivors don't make any sound (footsteps, the movement of grass etc, being able to stand in certain areas so the killer can't hit them, etc.).
Old Legion was just a bad killer gameplay wise, was the worst thing to be introduced to DBD. In my opinion whilst new Legion is one of the weakest killers in the game, but gameplay wise he's a lot of better gameplay wise then he was.
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Original Legion was terribly designed, dunno how it took so long for it to be fixed in the first place
it IS bhvr tho, freddy took 1yr+ lmao
as for nerfs, the on-hit perks shouldnt have been changed, but they wanted consistency in this one instance
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just to create consistency between killers.
others also dont get power hits counted as normal attacks, so why should legion?
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they should just remove legion at this point
jeff is a trash survivor which no one cares about, ormond is a fps eater map, heavily survivor biased and legion is a boring and unfun killer
i want my money back
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Can we keep Jeff? I like my boy's black metal and post apocalyptic cosmetics. Legion and Ormond can go away though :).
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why not, but imo he's really boring, he has great cosmetics tho. even quentin is way better than jeff lol
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Quentin is GOD, what are you talking about? I love how he looks like a goblin and he has great prestige cosmetics.
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dont worry, p3 quentin is my fav survivor
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If other killers' M2 don't count as basic attacks neither should the Legions.
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I’m in a frenzy. I’m going to stab you to death. Oh damn I missed you. I’m no longer in a frenzy. Now run away while the frenzy subsides from me not cutting you.
I don’t know about your romance history, but when my ex missed me with a weapon, she seemed to get more frenzied.
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