How to SWF Genrush With Math

Yes and you'll get about 10,000 BP maybe because you didn't do anything besides gens and ran away as fast as humanly possible

I guess if that's all you want, more power to you. This just seems to be a really boring way to spend your time playing this game and you don't even get a ton of points for the effort.

Well this is not an actual strategy, no experienced killer in their right mind would chase a survivor for that long without pressuring the gens. Healing, unhooking and especially running around is what survivors end up doing most of the match instead of the generators. Props to you for putting that effort in the math though, that's basically the worst case scenario for a killer.

Imagine thinking you are forced to chase someone for 3 gens.

#choices.

I stayed ontopic, you claimed no killer would chase for this long, I showed you killers who will chase for 30+ seconds because against any decent survivor it will at least take 30 seconds per hit.

@isilmerel

Because they want to clump every problem into "SWF" or "Genrush", but never do they want to actually admit that there is such thing as over committing to a survivor during a chase, or that they lack basic knowledge of how to run certain strong loops, or that they don't bother to go kick a gen once in a while or patrol them. They want the gens to simply protect themselves or take extra long so that it will buy time to correct their mistakes.

Simply put, it is much easier to complain than it is to learn and maybe deal with the match accordingly.

"no experienced killer in their right mind would chase a survivor for that long "

It's very easy to let ego get in the way of tactics, especially after you've invested so much time into a single target. What I ran into several months ago were SWFs running OPs perklist of ADR, BT, and DS but with one guy on Object of Obsession. I had to bring that guy down first because everyone else kept getting away and predicting me move for move. I ended up smacking a few around because they would bodyblock right before I could bring one down but they didn't even heal. I could end up,if I was lucky, knocking down the OoO user as gates were opening a few times but ADR kicked in. For their whole team. Even if I hook his buddies can just run up and grab him. They can body block. He has DS. He has ADR too if he was on the hook right before last gen popped too, so he'll come off hook at full health.

Filthy.

Yeah if you rush the gens and do just that. Odds are one of two things will happen. You will depip or get a safely pip. Due to lack of being chased by the killer. Along with only a handful of points.

So what does your post prove? Tru3 played incredibly poorly at the start of that match, and still 3Kd, Scott Intentionally handicapped himself and still 4Kd, so I guess killers can still be bad/handicapped and 3/4K it's just that easy man.

To begin with: you started with "ideal scenario". This is almost never the case.

• You almost never start splitted, rather than in teams, so having 3 survivors on gens at the start of the game is not really a thing unless the killer brings the shroud offering.
• That the "runner" is found first is also pretty random, unless he makes noise, which is a pretty clear signal for the killer to ignore this survivor as he is most likely not working on gens for a decent amount of time, wasting time to get attention.
• The runner is not allowed to get near gens that are worked on, restricting the amount of paths and pallets he can use.
• Beneath that, the killer could run stuff like Discordance or Tinkerer that gives him a notification, or after a decent amount of chase without a hit he could simply DECIDE to stop the chase.

If all of that fails, and the killer decides to commit to a chase for 80 seconds and all survivors are equally spread and know where to go, find all the gens on the shortes path and everything, yeah... maybe 1 of 100 games that 5 gens are done within 3 minutes

But this game is far from as simple as this post makes it out to be, this post basically implies the killer is bad and can't shut down chases fast, which if you're looking at it from that angle, you can also look at it from the angle that all the survivors in the match are just bad all chases are 10 seconds long and therefore the game is killer sided because the survivors played poorly.

Again, Tru3 played VERY badly at the start of his match, he made a lot of mistakes trying to get hatchet throws, and Scott intentionally handicapped himself with a killer not many people think is viable, these matches would have been over way quicker had neither of them done what they did, and even with all that they ended up getting above average kills.

Too many people are attached to gens being done, it really doesn't matter, how many times have you 3/4K'd with 1/2 gens left? probably a lot right, so why did those 2/3 gens being done matter so much? They didn't, at all, survivors can't really do anything unless all the gens are done so I don't get why there is this big thing around preventing survivors getting any gens done at all.

The game is very different to what it was 2/3 years ago, the game is not the same, and depipping/ pipping is so incredibly irrelevant, why is a measure of the games balance based on whether you got enough points in red rank to keep your rank or depip, explain what the logic of this is?

You definitely shouldn't be pipping at Red Ranks that often anyway, the higher rank you are, the harder it is to rank up, if you're already rank 1 you shouldn't pipping ever really because you're playing against people who have also played enough that month to hit rank one, depipping someone does not prove the game has a balance issue, especially not with all the changes that have happened since that "experiement".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOT7aLJ3cYw

This time with perks tho. And yeah the huntress was terribad. He later did a solo survivor test where he escaped what, 70% of the time?

Killergameplay right now revolves around 3gens and catching survivors before they even get to a loop. Comitting to a chase is basically admitting defeat.

Found the sheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qsLHWKqxw1jZB2Mrrffrb_IuuNXqHwhyEwQGbJPPAAk/edit#gid=0

A 70% escape rate solo on a fresh account is really high, especially considering how many survivors will just outright kill themselves or DC when they dont like a killer/map, 8% in his case. On purpleranks I had a 20% DC/Suicide rate when I played with a friend who was new to DBD due to ppl not wanting to deal with somebody who goes down in less than 30 seconds.

Yes as there's no point, the experiment would be the same if they decided to use perks to accomodate for the changes. Now with ruin having been reworked they'd probably even have an easier time now.

Palletvacuum is gone but we have way more pallets now often within reach with sometimes ridiculous safe setups where 2 pallets are right next to each other and temporarily even spawned doublepallets within jungle-gyms.

They never used instaheals etc in the first place.

Infinites are gone but were never needed in the first place for the experiment with gens being done in up to 5 minutes there were always enough ressources on the map.

The original experiment was done with no perks which was unrealistic in the first place, scottjund managed to even kill 2 perkless itemless survivors, the changes to survivors done over time would never make up for not having perks.

Why would a soloescape mean nothing, playing altruistic gets you killed in the first place . Sure the game isn't played that way but we're talking about theory here, not actual gameplay.

Nah, the game is super duper easy my dude, has been for a very very long time, bad players are likely to always be bad, especially when they spend all their time on the forums complaining about hypothetical maths equations that assume the player is bad because they can't pressure gens

"Just pressure gens dummy"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DggcHI1boFM

"Wait, why is nobody playing michael myers, clown, piggy or the other lowtier killers outside of challenges."

I have a very high killrate for somebody who only has about 400 hours as killer, on old freddy I had a killrate of 90% (scummy playstyle yes, but no moris) when I still actively played this game beyond a casual game with friends. The difference between you and me is that I understand that a survivor being a derpy potato that gets hit within 10 seconds of me finding him and gets downed within 30 seconds is a potato, not me being some gamer who was able to hold m1 so the auto-aim or "aimdressing" downs the survivor for me that falls to the easiest mindgames.

Luckily genspeeds will be adressed with an "early game collapse" just as broken killers have been adressed. This is a casualgame first and foremost, it was never envisioned with ppl nolifing and optimizing fun out of it.

He ended with a 3K what's your point?

The game is still survivor sided and that's coming from people who have a well over 80% winrate on their killers because unlike you they realize that they win because the other side screws up, not because they are somehow able to beat a system that is tilted towards a very lenient 2k.

You'll be hard pressed to find anybody say that most of the killer roster is in the power role, none of the big streamers who have ridiculous hours in this game would agree with you as it's simple math and gamedesign.

You're strawmanning, killers who complain about the game being survivorsided are not losing much, Scottjund has a 32 kills speedlimiter bubba killstreak and an unbeaten oni-killstreak yet still he is objective enough to be able to tell that he'd lose to optimal survivors and proposed several changes which would be hard nerfs for survivors (the devs probably have the early game collapse idea from him that they're working on right now)

I refuse to learn mechanically hard killers in a game that I barely play 2 hours per week nowadays, that doesn't mean that I lose, it just means that if I want to win I'll stick to Pyramid Head or Freddy, especially on freddy I have no recollection on when I've lost (0k/depip) after his rework with most of the time then gens not even being done.