noed is killer side adrenaline

probably because one last 5 seconds, the other until it's cleansed, and healing a health state can be done in 15 seconds without the perk anyway. NOED is an instadown that usually gives the killer a free kill.

Then just hook the survivor before you close the hatch and I think why most people don't like NOED is because it often rewards bad killers as it activities when the killer literally fails their objective.

Like I said, I support changing both.

The game is literally balanced around the gens being done mate.

that's not the point, if survivors dont derp around and play commando (basically sit on gens), don't clump up, do middle gens first then gens WILL pop. Again, the game is balanced around a 50% killrate and a killer who plays fair will get maybe 2 kills if survivors don't ignore totems.

Also the NOED killer is basically playing with 3 perkslots all game long so he's weaker.

I think NOED can be seen as a counter-part to Adrenaline, but it's an asymmetrical counter-part similar if we were comparing the T-34 and Panther in Company Of Heroes. Both are medium tanks, but they're used differently. (T-34 will almost always lose to even the Panzer IV, and 100% the Panther in a 1v1, but that's because the T-34's shots have good AOE on them and are designed for killing infantry, while the Panther has high pen but low AOE and is more of an "Anti Tank Tank" if that makes any sense.)

I wouldn't call Adrenaline a second-chance perk but it's definitely frustrating to play against since it kills all pressure when it procs. A 4-man with Adrenaline often don't even bother healing each-other and spend more time on gens which results in shorter matches.

NOED is a bit crutch-y but there's counterplay, do the totems! Remember a match doesn't end when the last generator pops. The game doesn't roll the credits, "Killer lost", etc. when the last gen pops.

Also note the devs themselves have stated IIRC they want to aim for 2 deaths, 2 escapes as an "ideal match". This implies the generators will be finished and the gates will be powered at some point in the match, even if the killer "Did his job".

You can have matches where nobody even died but the killer got 8 hooks. (Hooked each survivor twice) Did the killer fail at doing his job in that case, even though he pipped? What about if he got a 3K but it was by facecamping everyone to death on first hook and depipped? He DID technically kill more survivors than the first killer, but in my experience the first killer "Did better" since he got better emblems, got way more bloodpoints, etc. Yes nobody died but he ended more chases, got more hits, likely pressured generators better, etc.

I don't think 5 generators meant the killer failed at their objective. What even is their objective anyway? Arguably to kill survivors, but they likely depip even if they 4K if they facecamp everyone to death. It can't really be to "Defend the generators" since while doing so is very important to make sure the match doesn't end super quick, if you never hit and hook anyone you'll also likely depip even if you drag the match out an hour.

Maybe I'm too much of a slave to the emblem system but I hate this argument that NOED rewards bad killers. I don't think adrenaline rewards bad (or really even good, since it procs even if you did nothing, let everyone else die, and killer shuts hatch, which is the same with NOED btw) survivors either. They're just perks in the endgame that are both frustrating to play against since they can snatch what seemed like victory away from you.

My ONLY issues with NOED are there's no way to easily track remaining dull totems, and killers who facecamp out the gate with 5 gens left, then use NOED to get an extra kill. But the NOED facecamper thing is more of a player issue than a problem with NOED itself since if you nerfed the heck out of NOED these players would still facecamp anyway, they'd just use Rancor instead for the glorious free insta-down and mori on the obsession and bloodwarden to block the gates so they have more time to facecamp.

I will note that I seem to play better with NOED even if I never reach the endgame. Maybe just having it equipped is a bit of an anti-anxiety thing for me and I'm not as stressed since I always have my "ace in the hole" if things go sour, and I seem to play better since I'm not as worried.

EDIT: For a totem counter I want it part of small game, or as a little shrine thing with a candle holder thing in the basement. Match starts with 5 candles lit representing the 5 totems, and each totem destroyed extinguishes a candle. There's no actual warning if the killer has NOED or not before endgame, it's just a way to track remaining totems on the map.

Most survivors are too lazy to get totems and would rather focus on gens

Ah yes, gonna leave that survivor to do whatever he wants, like work on a generator as gens take 80 SECONDS TO COMPLETE, while DS is 60 seconds at tier 3.

If the survivor has DS at the exit gate you might as well not pick them up at that point as you have no chance of hooking them.

and slugging, most of the perks i’ve seen paired with DS is Unbreakable, pretty much add soul guard to that and the survivor is LITERALLY INVINCIBLE FOR 60 SECONDS.

So yeah, while we are here, perks not anti-tunnel its anti-momentum