So in which tier the spirit fits?

@BigBadPiggy said:
Her power isn't strong enough to warrant a slower movement speed, currently she is extremely useless and needs to be buffed to make up for her unreliable power and lack of good add ons. Although let's face it, she'll never get buffed because she is "Not meant to be viable".

Edit: Her Tier level is Freddy level at best.

They talked about some changes for her coming during the mid-chapter patch.

As far as her tier= unsure currently. She has good potential. Maybe with the update coming she will be even better.

@The_Manlet said:
Currently she seems to be a mid-tier killer, around as strong as the average. However, you need to factor in that she is hard to play, and is new and not played by very many people so it is difficult to learn how to counter her. Also, she was released unfinished and they're planning to fix and buff her in the mid-chapter update. Currently she's an average, maybe slightly above average killer. After her buffs she could rise to the same level as the Clown or Huntress.

She's actually above Clown and most definitely Huntress right right now and Clowns while scary at times are child's play compared to her at rank 1.

@PigNRun said:
Solid midtier, at least. Better than Freddy, Wraith, Leatherface and Pig.

I'd argue wraith is midtier now as well, certainly above those other 3. The new windstorm add ons and the red all seeing add on give him billy levels of map pressure. I've had a ton of funny moments so far with the wraith by running ahead of survivors with my insane cloaked movement speed and bodyblocking them from pallets and loops while I uncloak.

@PigNRun said:
Solid midtier, at least. Better than Freddy, Wraith, Leatherface and Pig.

She can potentially be pretty high, like between Doctor and Huntress, but overall I would never rate her above Pig.

powerbats said:

@yeet said:
PinkEricka said:

“She’s weak” — said by every other killer main that is inexperienced with her and thinks that every single killer in the game is weak unless all survivors spawn on hooks. 

nothing like a survivor main strawman

As opposed to all the killer main Straw Mans?

@The_Manlet said:

@Eninya said:

@PigNRun said:
Solid midtier, at least. Better than Freddy, Wraith, Leatherface and Pig.

She can potentially be pretty high, like between Doctor and Huntress, but overall I would never rate her above Pig.

Are you implying that the Pig is strong?

She can be, but she is at the mercy of RNG for traps and Ruin. With a standardization of those, she's a very lethal 4K killer because traps make her a very capable killer for playing round robin with hooks and downs. You have to be mindful of where survivors are while they're trapped, the boxes that they're likely to go to, and where generators are. With full map awareness, she's a very strong killer.

The Spirit's power kinda sucks in general at consistently dropping in on people, though whether this is a problem with the power or other mechanics not interacting with it properly is hard to tell. I've had games where positional accuracy and scratch marks during Phase Walk just don't exist, so you can hear survivors under you that are 5-8 meters ahead, or scratch marks that don't appear until you exit the Phase Walk, leaving you stuck far behind.

That's not to say she doesn't have the potential to be strong, but she might be buggy. I can't tell, even with games of 4K where it's accurate, and then the next game where it isn't at all, and I'm stuck guessing the entire match. It doesn't make a lot of sense that she is a slower killer in general given the long baseline cooldown of her power.

Comparatively, Pig can stealth and de-stealth for hits a lot more effectively, so the Spirit manages to fail at any real element of surprise. A less stealthy Wraith with slower movement speed and a brutal power cooldown. She's fun to play against, but... easy.

@Dr_doom_j2 said:

I would like you to tell me everything that she does that makes her not trash. All I keep hearing from people is she isn't trash, but all they can say to that is "She 4k's in rank 1" like Freddy doesn't also do that. They say she has mind games... But as far as they go, how is that possible when the majority of the time in the majority of maps, she loses herself trying to even find someone with her power?

Seriously, give me something other than 4k's happen, because we both know rank is almost meaningless and a LOT of rank 1 survivors are carried there or just end up there through grind.

I could tell you all the ways she's great but judging by your post you'll ignore them anyways since it's always the same. Get to rank 1, well rank means nothing. This streamer says killer is trash, that streamer says she's great, but streamers opinions don't matter.

Then it's anyone could get to rank 1, true, so what if the killer got 4k, the survivors must all be bad or the killer was lucky. It's funny you lists the complaints but if she was so bad so many people wouldn't be playing her pretty much non stop.

Also if she loses herself in the majority of the maps then how is she getting 3-4k pretty consistently? Since she can't be losing herself the majority of ehr games and still getting 3-4k. If she was such trash no would would be playing her so much let alone Prestiging her to 3.

I'd say go watch Monto decimate with her or any of the other countless streamers pro and non pro but it'd be pointless, the excuses would be the same. Your mind is already made up and nothing I or anyone else here will say will change that. That was proven by the majority of her getting lost statement you made.

Rank 1 here, I'd put her mid tier

powerbats said:

@Dr_doom_j2 said:

I would like you to tell me everything that she does that makes her not trash. All I keep hearing from people is she isn't trash, but all they can say to that is "She 4k's in rank 1" like Freddy doesn't also do that. They say she has mind games... But as far as they go, how is that possible when the majority of the time in the majority of maps, she loses herself trying to even find someone with her power?

Seriously, give me something other than 4k's happen, because we both know rank is almost meaningless and a LOT of rank 1 survivors are carried there or just end up there through grind.

I could tell you all the ways she's great but judging by your post you'll ignore them anyways since it's always the same. Get to rank 1, well rank means nothing. This streamer says killer is trash, that streamer says she's great, but streamers opinions don't matter.

Then it's anyone could get to rank 1, true, so what if the killer got 4k, the survivors must all be bad or the killer was lucky. It's funny you lists the complaints but if she was so bad so many people wouldn't be playing her pretty much non stop.

Also if she loses herself in the majority of the maps then how is she getting 3-4k pretty consistently? Since she can't be losing herself the majority of ehr games and still getting 3-4k. If she was such trash no would would be playing her so much let alone Prestiging her to 3.

I'd say go watch Monto decimate with her or any of the other countless streamers pro and non pro but it'd be pointless, the excuses would be the same. Your mind is already made up and nothing I or anyone else here will say will change that. That was proven by the majority of her getting lost statement you made.

Still trying to place her, but I don't think she's above Mid-Tier at this time.

To get stronger soon as the mid-chapter patch hits I'm sure.

I'm constantly getting 4k's at ranks 1-5 with her. Her power is there to play catch up and to trick survivors... survivors are learning to fake her out but that just means spirit players need to fake out the fake out (stand still and make the survivor think you're in phase mode or actually go into phase mode if they're by a pallet but know that the survivor is going to walk slow or possibly slow vault over pallet to confuse you, so appear on the side that you originally started on if they expect you to try to loop in phase mode).

She's all about risky plays. You WILL lose survivors sometimes, but it's all about taking the risks so you can catch them off guard even if it's just slightly more often than you psych yourself out. You really need to assume the skill level of each individual survivor with her to know what level of fake outs they will try to pull so you can one up them. I would recommend her to any new killer trying to understand the concept of mind games and I would recommend her to any experienced killer who can apply their knowledge of mind games well. Her speed add-ons alone make bbq and chili with her as terrifying as with Billy in the right hands.