@MyFreddyIsBae Aside from the fact that it can encourage farming teammates and acts as an empty perk slot otherwise.

I think it should show the auras of survivors within like 8m of a hooked survivor. That way you know if someone is going for the save or not.

@Visionmaker Exactly! :pirate:

@RSB said:

Because you can gain tokens for WGLF in 2 ways, and for BBQ only in one way. Alsogaining stacks for WGLF is way easier, than for BBQ.

I genuinely disagree.

@Wolf74 said:
BBQ got it's bloodpoint buff after WGLF got introduced and the survivor queue times for survivor skyrocketed, because so many player switched from killer to survivor to farm bloodpoints.
It basically became a SURVIVOR ISSUE, to fix the queue times by giving the killer a similar perk and nerfing WGLF.
The Devs just decided to pick BBQ for that, because it already had a weak bloodpoint buff that wasn't that good to begin with and so they buffed it up with a further incentetiv to NOT "tunnel".
So BBQ solves 3 SURVIVOR issues: better queue times, less camping, less tunneling.
Still survivor dare to complain about BBQ being to pwoerful.
And survivor already have the better and more powerful perks and still they try to get more.

survivorlogic

Gotta +1 this. The farm was insane when killers switched to survivor because of a so easily farmed perk that doesn't take as much as BBQ. BBQ You gotta find, successfully win a chase, AND manage to hook them. You can earn a stack from WGLF by simply taking a hit from a carried survivor... Easy.

BBQ isn't even that strong of a perk even for Billy. It's so easily counterable by fooling the killer of direction/location. Like, the amount of times I act like I dont think they have BBQ and hide in a locker, and watch them check it after I leave quite literally 2 seconds after entering it makes me laugh. With the lowkey nerf they added to it being able to hide behind a gen too, loool.

@Temori said:
So why does Barbecue & Chilli gives you 100% more bloodpoints AND it reveals the aura of survivors. I mean I love using this perk, but We're gonna live forever also gives you 100% bloodpoints but there's no other "special effect". Also, perks are meant to help you ingame, but this perk only takes effect after game, which seems pointless for me

What do you think about it? I personally think that WGLF should get a new cool "extra"

It already has a cool extra feature! You get stacks from unhooking the same person + you get stacks if you get hit while being close to a injured survivor.

BBQ has the aura reveal to give the killer a new target (reduce camping) + it only gives 1 stack per survivor. No matter how often he hooks them.

I mean with BBQ you're not competing with 3 other players to get stacks. It can also be hugely risky to take hits for other survivors or attempt unhooks. Hooking survivors is not risky, it's necessary. I'm not saying WGLF is easier but whether one is easier or not is beside the point. It's not like WGLF needs to give unhooked survivors a 30 second sprint burst, but it's really not that difficult to come up with a slight buff that actually affects gameplay.

@theagitatedapricot said:
I mean with BBQ you're not competing with 3 other players to get stacks. It can also be hugely risky to take hits for other survivors or attempt unhooks. Hooking survivors is not risky, it's necessary. I'm not saying WGLF is easier but whether one is easier or not is beside the point. It's not like WGLF needs to give unhooked survivors a 30 second sprint burst, but it's really not that difficult to come up with a slight buff that actually affects gameplay.

Hooking survivors is not risky? Are you kidding me? It´s way harder to get 4 stacks on BBQ than getting 4 stacks on WGLF.
Remember, the devs had to nerf WGLF because people abused it and made it impossible to play. They rushed to the hook and unhooked in front of the killer. You want that back?

@Temori said:

@Tepiglover88 said:
Since it pretty much relies on saving other survivors, my personal suggestion would be something minor but still helpful, such as faster unhook times to the point where you don’t need to do that fake out thing and then go down, just my suggestion though

Yea something like this sounds nice.

@Tsulan said:

@theagitatedapricot said:
I mean with BBQ you're not competing with 3 other players to get stacks. It can also be hugely risky to take hits for other survivors or attempt unhooks. Hooking survivors is not risky, it's necessary. I'm not saying WGLF is easier but whether one is easier or not is beside the point. It's not like WGLF needs to give unhooked survivors a 30 second sprint burst, but it's really not that difficult to come up with a slight buff that actually affects gameplay.

Hooking survivors is not risky? Are you kidding me? It´s way harder to get 4 stacks on BBQ than getting 4 stacks on WGLF.
Remember, the devs had to nerf WGLF because people abused it and made it impossible to play. They rushed to the hook and unhooked in front of the killer. You want that back?

I remember the time, 200% BP was insane. But I have to disagree, e.g. when I play the nurse it's kind of easy to get 4 stacks. I mean u see the aura of the people and than you can easily go for them. When you play good ( kill everybody - you get all stacks. But when you play good as a survivor you don't necessarily get all stacks because you can't unhook everybody. When a survivor gets hooked other survivors are often closer to the hook so they unhook them & not you. Even with the emblembs, I don't get enough points on the Benevolent emblem becuz I'm not fast enough.

Not every killer has the map presence of a Nurse. You also know that the Nurse has the steepest learning curve of all killers.
BBQ does everything to incentivize killers to leave the hook. WGLF does everything to incentivize farming the teammates. I never had problems getting iridiscent benevolent. Easiest points ever.

How about if WGLF gets a buff then NOED gets a buff in the sense that if you get downed after the gates are powered = you getting mori'd without the offering.. how does that sound?

Edit: Forgot to mention that I am trying to compare something to DS.. which is absolutely bonkers broken and NOED being that strong is an equivalent to that power level.

@Temori said:

@Tsulan said:

@Temori said:

@Tepiglover88 said:
Since it pretty much relies on saving other survivors, my personal suggestion would be something minor but still helpful, such as faster unhook times to the point where you don’t need to do that fake out thing and then go down, just my suggestion though

Yea something like this sounds nice.

@Tsulan said:

@theagitatedapricot said:
I mean with BBQ you're not competing with 3 other players to get stacks. It can also be hugely risky to take hits for other survivors or attempt unhooks. Hooking survivors is not risky, it's necessary. I'm not saying WGLF is easier but whether one is easier or not is beside the point. It's not like WGLF needs to give unhooked survivors a 30 second sprint burst, but it's really not that difficult to come up with a slight buff that actually affects gameplay.

Hooking survivors is not risky? Are you kidding me? It´s way harder to get 4 stacks on BBQ than getting 4 stacks on WGLF.
Remember, the devs had to nerf WGLF because people abused it and made it impossible to play. They rushed to the hook and unhooked in front of the killer. You want that back?

I remember the time, 200% BP was insane. But I have to disagree, e.g. when I play the nurse it's kind of easy to get 4 stacks. I mean u see the aura of the people and than you can easily go for them. When you play good ( kill everybody - you get all stacks. But when you play good as a survivor you don't necessarily get all stacks because you can't unhook everybody. When a survivor gets hooked other survivors are often closer to the hook so they unhook them & not you. Even with the emblembs, I don't get enough points on the Benevolent emblem becuz I'm not fast enough.

Not every killer has the map presence of a Nurse. You also know that the Nurse has the steepest learning curve of all killers.
BBQ does everything to incentivize killers to leave the hook. WGLF does everything to incentivize farming the teammates. I never had problems getting iridiscent benevolent. Easiest points ever.

Ik, that's why I'm playing nurse (btw hopefully does the patch make the other killers useful in r1 again). Maybe its just the way I play. But I also don't have that big problems with other killers. But I can't deny that its way easier with nurse.

I think every killer should be balanced like Billy.
Nurse has still some map spots where she can´t teleport through, and knee high cars are obstacles for the Huntress.
But Billy is in the right spot.
I like to play killers without perks and add-ons. To evaluate if they are good or not. Sadly, only 3 killers perform well without add-ons. Other killers are way to depending on certain add-ons or perk combinations. Which makes them weak in comparison with Billy, Nurse or Huntress. This is also the reason, why those are the main killers on high ranks.

Trapper for example is to slow. He can´t set up enough traps before 3 or 4 gens are done. At least not on high ranks. Now adding the pressure of hooking everyone once and the match is over before he got a kill.