Can we talk about survs gettin nerf AGAIN?

So, a niche perk that continues to do it's original job, and provides the effect of another perk, but worse?

Nerfs an item that is rarely used to begin with?

You're better off running I'm All Ears for close range aura reading, and time will tell how the Billy changes will affect him and his pick rate. I can imagine a lot more Oni players, since they are similar. I have way more respect for Oni players, tho.

Lightborn made it pretty much impossible to be blinded before as well, there is really not a big difference. And the aura is neglectable, bc you wouldn't really lose a surv trying to blind you at a pallet (10 sec btw, not 10 min). Maybe if he tries to blind you early when carrying someone and then runs away, it could show you his location after the hooking. But that endorses not to camp then, so its actually a good thing. Lightborn is still a niche perk and will likely not be equipped unless there are multiple flashlights. Since you can see what others are taking with them, and you can ask them about it, where is the problem in NOT taking a FL with you? You could also bait the killer in equipping LIghtborn, and then just switch it out or not use it. Then the killer has a wasted perk. I really can't see how anyone can find this problematic. Its a nice QoL update for dealing with bullying FL squads, nothing more.

Franklins can now finally counter keys properly! Before you could make them drop the key, but that was no guarantee that it remained on the ground. I had multiple games I used Franklins against a key, but then still two or three used the loosers track to escape. Now I can finally camp the key until it is gone. And thats actually a REALLY BAD strategy. Since it take 90 seconds to be consumed by the entity, a killer hard camping it will likely throw the match entirely. If you want to "win" the game, you just cannot afford to guard an item on the ground, unless the survs play it stupidly. And you can't even prevent a healthy survivor from picking it up again to void the timer (except for one-hit downs, but even that is limited know with the bubba change). The survs could let themselves downed just to reset the timer, so additional 90 seconds for you to wait. More than enough time for the downed to crawl away and be healed again, rince and repeat. While the other two do gens undisturbed. You see, if the survs play it right, you won't even get the item consumed, even when trying your hardest to do so. Whats more, similar to Lightborn you could bait the killer to equip Franklins and throwing the game. Just equip four broken keys, lose them again and keep the killer busy trying to protect his items. YOu don't need any item to get out as a surv. Make him throw the game just bc he fears a multi man hatch escape.

So overall, both perk changes are nice QoL updates, but they remain niche perks. The effects can be mitigated and the killer can even be baited into equipping it when he doesn't need it, wasting his perk slots. No need to baby rage about it. There were far more real survivor nerfs in tha last updates, this ones will barely have an impact.

One last thing about the "JUST FACE THE WALL". First, thats not always possible. Second, even when scrubbing your nose on the wall, there are instances you still got blinded, even though you didn't even see the survivor holding a flashlight. THAT is real bullsh*t!

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That's some nasty wall of texts

It hurt my eyes same as the new aura

I really don't know what to say. Go watch the entitled survivor main video made by Yerv. I think you'll like it.

Killer main apparently. 'Cocaine is a helluva drug'.

Why would anyone use lightborn in the first place, there are enough counters to flashlights without the need for the perk anyway. You can still last second switch into your flashlight meaning the likelihood that the killer uses lightborn is slim to none.

'camping an object with frankling now' - in a time sensitive game why would anyone in their right mind camp an item for 90 secs. 'Let me sit on this key cos they might need it' whilst 3 gens go pop.

Only decent perk is tinkerer and even that isn't as good as discordance (especially for low mobility killers).

OP I agree with you 1000%.

This game has been killer-sided for the past year (and maybe more). Every patch is filled with killer buffs and survivor nerfs.

The whiny killer mains that dominate these forums and reddit will come in here and claim differently, but that's just because the whiners (not all killers) can't get a 4K despite endless OP killers. They want a 4K on Clown every game. Get real!

The upcoming patches better have mori changes.

Also, the change to the beginning of the game had better not allow for kills or there will be riots. The game is long enough as it is. If they add a bunch of crap to the front of the match, the opportunities for 0Ks for survivors will dramatically decrease and the balance will go from 2K to 4K. What the beginning of the match should be is no killing but both sides racing to do something. Whichever side gets it, gets some sort of advantage. Of course, you'd have to even the odds a bit for that since it would be 4v1, so the killer would have to have a starting advantage or something.

BHVR needs to keep in mind that you need 4 survivors to play and 1 killer. If they keep focusing on the 1 guy and screwing over the other 4, they won't have anyone left. That's why they're moving toward crossplay. They're trying to aggregate a dying population.

Mark my words. The beginning of the match change will be the death of this game if it is not done properly.

@Splinterverse

"This game has been killer-sided for the past year (and maybe more). Every patch is filled with killer buffs and survivor nerfs."

So changing Ruin was a killer buff? Recent Billy basekit and addon changes are a killer buff? Nurse changes were a buff? Do you recognize how ridiculous you are making yourself?

"BHVR needs to keep in mind that you need 4 survivors to play and 1 killer."

This bs talking point works the other way around, too: Entitled survivors need to keep in mind that you need 1 killer to play for 4 survivors. Killers STILL have a very rough life in high ranks against competent survivor groups. Just search a bit in the forum, there are plenty of posts of green or yellow ranked killers having to play against purple or red survivors, nearly every game. There are just too few high ranked killers available for all the red rank survivor groups, so the not-so-good killers have to stand in, which frustrates many so hard that they quit playing killer, making the situation even more loopsided. I can see that every evening in my region, killer queues are instant, survivor queues take considerably more. Bc mush more players play survivor than killer, at least in my region.

Ranking up as survivor is easy mode compared to killer. You can consistantly pip even when you die all the games. So it feels more rewarding to play survivor, and it's just more chill for many. I recently encountered so many survs in my killer games with a red or pruple rank that were just plain bad at the game. No awareness whatsoever, no clue about the basic defences, not even using pallets they run past. You feel all game you are bullying a group of brown-ranked newbies, but on the tally screen you see that they are supposed to be purple or red. That tells you enough about which role is easier in this game.

You will have more killers running the perks after the changes - because they want to test it. I did the same for tinkerer and I am not going to be using it going forward, its not bad but I don't see the value in it still unless I run a high mobility killer. The rest aren't great.

Lightborn change isn't much different to the way it was before - near impossible to blind with one flashlight on old Lightborn (unless you play a potato killer).

Buffing something doesn't necessarily make it better than other perks. They buffed bitter murmur and dark sense a while back - I hardly see these used even now.

The 'buffs' (some seem like side grades) might make them more usable but unless you run a specific or meme build then why would you use these over the meta perks.

loool billy can still hit you around a wall and holds his chainsaw forever, a bit OP still

Tasty bait.

Technically true, but if you start seeing it that way then every patch will be dissapointing i feel.

Especially now where most of the buffs aren't that big of a deal

i wonder why would someone punsih killer for a legitimate playstyle? You mean if i keep laying on the groound one person and start chasing another that walks nearby i should be "punished" for doing it? Lol.

I have said for a long time that moris and keys are unfair. They cut the games short. Getting rid of both would level the playing field a little better. Then killers would have to work for their win abs survivor have to work for their exit.