The problem With Decisive Strike

There are no killer perks that counter Decisive Strike. In fact, most survivor perks can't be countered. You can make the skillcheck harder but it won't stop survivors from hitting the skillcheck. You can run Enduring but it will barely make any difference. You can run Iron Grasp or Agitation but they'll still get to 30% especially on bad maps or with bodyblocking. More importantly, killers really can't afford to run those perks. They have to run Ruin, a paid DLC perk, just to stand the slightest chance of winning unless they're a really good Nurse. Killer perks are dictated to them by the limitations of their killer and the fact that the developers fix bad game design issues with killer perk bandaids like Ruin and Blood Warden. Meanwhile survivors can run anything they want with Self-Care being the only perk that feels mandatory.

Yes, Decisive Strike should be a once-in-a-match thing. Not a four-times-in-a-match thing. Any amount of bodyblocking, being downed in a bad place or just being in a bad map will guarantee 4 unearned escapes per match, which adds an insane amount of chase time and translates to an automatic survivor victory against anything but a Nurse.

The only reason I use Unnerving on my doctor is because of DStrike.
Don't go on and speak for killers, if you ain't a killer.

I use Enduring on my huntress just for DStrike.
It wastes 1 slot for 1 perk, which still isn't countered by those perks.

DStrike needs to be nerfed drastically and I hope they do it right and don't listen to survivors, thinking, they have the right to survive in 4 swf teams without loosing anyone.

The problem with decisive strike is that it exists.

On a more serious tone : it's a very unfun perk from the killer perspective, that rewards survivors when it shouldn't, while giving no downsides like obsession perks should give, like EVERY SINGLE OBSESSION PERKS in the game but THIS ONE.

@BLUE_APE said:
Also big question, has anyone who plays doctor been hit with DS? I have never been able to land the skill check after I have hit madness.

Many, many times. It's depressing because annoying DS users is my favorite part about Doc.

Decisive Strike hit the point of blatant abuse because of two things.

1. It's use doesn't apply to only the designated obsession.
2. They could've set this from the start to only apply to the final survivor on the map, which would have better suited the "Last Girl" trope that the Halloween movie helped popularize.

I wish devs would, please, apply either of the above to DS as their official nerf. The current use mechanic could stay the same. Only the when and who of its use is constrained.

@BLUE_APE said:

Also big question, has anyone who plays doctor been hit with DS? I have never been able to land the skill check after I have hit madness.

Yes, it happen more often that you think it would once you hit the purple/red rank

The "problem" with DS is its entire existence. The whole perk needs to be canned and replaced.

There should not be a perk for Survivors that literally rewards them for failure. That's exactly what DS does. Some people treat it as a free pallet stun, and others require it to even survive the game.

Such a huge crutch should not even exist in a game with the gall to have the tag "Survival Horror."

@BLUE_APE said:

@weirdkid5 said:
The "problem" with DS is its entire existence. The whole perk needs to be canned and replaced.

There should not be a perk for Survivors that literally rewards them for failure. That's exactly what DS does. Some people treat it as a free pallet stun, and others require it to even survive the game.

Such a huge crutch should not even exist in a game with the gall to have the tag "Survival Horror."

Well hate to break it to you but the Dev's have stated they can't get rid of any perks. I know DS is unfair the way it is, but they can't get rid of it now. All the people who have invested bloodpoints for it would all have been for nothing, and thats more so unfair. I did consider people like you saying it should be gotten rid of, but honestly, I think you killer players would have a much more easier time chasing and hooking if only one person could use it. then any other survivors who have it would hope they are far away from a hook, so they can wiggle free.

I'm not a Killer player. I'm a Survivor main.

The perk is nonsense and is a mistake and a blight on the game. They could remove if they wanted to.

They just won't because it'll make all the crutch using survivors leave the game. There was a time when DS didn't exist and it was much better.

If anything, they need to lock the usage of DS past Rank 15. It needs to get the boot somehow, and for the people who "invested" so much in it, I have some advice.

Try actually getting better at the damn game.

@weirdkid5 said:
Also @Dragonredking damn good point. Completely changing Tinkerer is the same thing, they just didnt change the name.

The same could happen with DS. They are just too scared to lose them baby survivor profits.

Thx, but where is my upvote tho?

Jk I don't give a #########

@Runiver said:

@BLUE_APE said:

@Runiver said:

Object of Obsession is actually super strong. I'm not sure what ranks you're playing, but I see OoO half of the rounds at high ranks.

The last one is, indeed, useless, I agree, and could use a rework. But so could killer obsession perks.
Also, I'm free to give my opinion in here. You're not stopping me with a good old "I like everyone but you now for some reasons, don't waste your time here".
The day I'll be breaking a rule, we'll discuss.

Hey I'm sorry over reacting, I get vary upset over people fussing over this perk. But I see you feel the same about object of obsession (if used right) its one of the strongest perks in the game. Its just when I got the game I bought the halloween DLC and Laurie was who I started off with. No one really uses Laurie's perks because they only look for DS. Do think think this would be a fair nerf (only obsession gets to use it for instant free once per match) while everyone else gets to wiggle faster? (not by much though, to make it more fair)

In the end I honestly just want the game to be fair for both killer and survivors, also do you main Billy boy?

Wiggling faster would make some hooking impossible in quite a lot of corners of maps, especially in Suffocation pit and Grim Pantry.
Survivors exploited these spots a lot at some point, and even if it got improved since then, it could prove very annoying to deal with survivors running in a corner repeatedly not to get hooked.
The devs are actually considering something like : Decisive strike stunning the killer in place, but not letting go the victim anymore, which could lead to more flashlight plays, and eventually some ways not to get hooked once if planned, that could be allright I suppose, to be tested.

I think they'll release it in the next PTB to test.

I main Billy, Hag and soon, Clown!
But I play all killers except for LF, Freddy and Nurse since I find these 3 unbearable to play.

P.S.: Don't worry about the "over reacting", I'm a grown up person and can take up an "offense", don't stress it out

Stunning the killer in place is the only change i can get on board with since it gives the killer reliable counter play and will not become a massive time sink. Under no circumstances will i ever be content with D strike so long as it remains a get out of jail free card. It is simply to devastating at high ranks to be force to chase someone down all over again not to mention it being one of the most infuriating and unfun things a killer can experience next to pallet looping.

Here's some thoughts and just to note I don't use DS and have yet to see it but have seen it on fellow survivors and as a killer. I think removing it from the game is a mistake and it's not about try getting good and the ppl using that just stop. You do nothing to advance your arguments and instead make yourselves look like petulant children. We can all agree even survivor mains that it needs to be balanced better, the disagreement is on what that balance means. So instead of playing the blame game and pointing fingers have an actual discussion.

1. Make it a limited use perk and be scaling with the difficulty check. So if the match has just started and you're the unlucky victim that got downed it stays at the 35% difficulty meter. However after that the difficulty goes up and uses go down. You get 1 more usage but the difficulty jumps up to 75% or worse depending on rank/whether you're ina SWF group.

2. For really high ranks say the 1-5/8(?) range it's 1 time usage but the difficulty starts at 75% but after x minutes goes up to 90% and if you fail there should be some type of penalty. You could bleed more heavily and move slower for x time or something along those lines or can't use adrenaline etc for x time..

Now this sounds harsh and it is but the perk will still be valuable but won't be a free get out of jail I win card anymore. You're going to have to be really strategic on it's use and with SWF groups it can be tuned even more.

3. Based upon the ranks it's usage could scale but it should have a much longer cd between uses so if you just used it it goes on cd for x mins based upon rank, match length and whether in group or not. For instance if in full 4 man SWF than the difficulty meter should be 75% bare minimum and after x mins it scales to 90-95% difficulty.

Now if it's 3 SWF and 1 random the random gets elss of a penalty and for the SWF ppl your're still a group and still have an advantage, just not such a big one.

I'm sure this will make some survivor mains mad but with some tweaking this could be workable, I just don't know if the devs could pull it off.

@BLUE_APE said:

@Techn0 said:

Many, many times. It's depressing because annoying DS users is my favorite part about Doc.

Huh? well I guess then I'm just someone you would annoy while carring me then.
Well do you think this nerf would be fair? Laurie's perks all about obsession. so I think those who are the obsession and running the perks should get the good stuff.

There are a few fixes I would like and any of them would make me a bit happier with the state of the perk. I absolutely want the perk gutted personally but I feel like some things would hurt it a lot without touching the core mechanics of the perk

• Make it require an item. Makes Franklins a hard counter to DS.
• Give the killers more viable obsession perks, make people afraid to be the obsession. Remember me and Dying light are very rarely used.
• Make it an exhaustion perk. Not being able to use the perk and SB on the same build might work wonders and disable a big part of the meta build.

I believe the problem with DS isn't that it exists. It's that it ties so well with the current meta for survivors and drastically hurts the killers meta. If we made counters for DS and limited the meta perks we could tie with DS it would be in a much better state. If a perk like dying light was made that painted a target on the obsessions back and lead to them being tunneled down then a lot less people would be using DS, if the killers had a perk that could stop DS a lot less people would run it, if people had to sacrifice a sprint perk for DS a lot less people would run it. It needs counters and it needs more downsides for survivors that run it, it does not need a nerf to it's sole purpose it's combos are simply too good and there is no downside to running the perk.

make it so you need to struggle 75% (or more than 35% at least) if you are not the obsession.
make it so the stun time is reduced.