The diffrence about DBD 2016 & 2020 is:Genrushing, flashlightclicking ect.are standard now.Accept it

can't you block them somehow?

The toxicity starts with the survivors, killers as a result become toxic themselves and there is no fear factor because survivors have WAY to many second chances. Just imagine if they didn't have exhaustion perks and when injured are 5% slower in running speed or that iron will doesn't exist alongside raging chase music to get in the way of the killer. Fear stems out of not having options in a situation. That's why the game isn't a horror experience, ok maybe to an extent if you are going vs stealth killers but that's because of fear of the unknown.

Toxic behavior in online games is always part of every community/playerbase. League of Legends is one of the most toxic games I have ever come across but I learned to ignore it and enjoy the game as it was. Same is true to DBD, but that does not mean I will tolerate toxic behavior. It's completely different when a player insults me in chat, I don't start crying from what strangers say to me on internet, but when they influence my match by toxic behavior, that's when I say "stop. get some help". They are making an effort to make my game bad, not just insulting by words, but by actually using the game's mechanics to ruin others' fun. That's just messed up.

i mean if you wanna try and tell me genrushing now is easier than when bnps used to complete an entire generator instantly then idk what to tell you man :/

so when i get facecamped and tunneled for absolutely no reason (no, looping a killer for 2 gens because they decided to chase me into the pallet-heavy section of the map instead of pressuring gens isn't a reason to facecamp and tunnel) it actually started with me?

the game is a horror experience but like any horror experience after prolonged exposure it loses it's horror. try watching the shining for 1000 hours and still being scared of it.

And there is the toxic mentality i speak about! So you are getting facecamped and tunneled it is not fun but the thing is if you get faceamped that mean chances are the other 3 survivors will escape. Just because you don't get to trash the killer for no reason at the gates doesn't mean you should make it that big of a problem that you didn't escape. The mentality of survivors is that they believe that if they don't escape they lose which is not the case. If you go for the pip system it is really easy to pip, which by game knowledge is a win, without the need to escape while killer even a 4k will end up depiping. In the end as much the killer isn't entitled to get 4k every game and so are survivors escaping. Also the problem might not be in you the killer might have had a toxic team in the later game which led to him geting tilted and just tunnel because of it, don't blame him blame the people who led him to that. I agree that prolonged exposure leads to the horror element to disappear but just as i said if survivors have less options in chases there would at least be some tension between equal skilled killer and survivor.

You want me to show you pictures as well? You have no argument, you can be a survivor main and have killer rank 1. Btw the debate isn't here. I didn't say you are a surv main

Is this thread seriously saying genrushing is just as bad as it was in 2016.............. is that seriously what you wrote??? 2016 Dbd.... where BNP fully completed a gen in one click, meaning 4 gens could be completed in less than 10 seconds..... I swear the vast majority of killer mains on this forum lack brain cells.

Yep, they made it easier for survivors if you completely and intentionally ignore all the nerfs survivors have gone through the past year.

Also your reply to the P3 on 11 different killers, rank 1 killer calling them a survivor main made my day.

First i think i am sensing passive aggression. Me keeping this conversation was never to show you are a toxic player i don't know how you play the game, my statement was that every bad situation like getting tunneled, facecamped, 4 man swf have at least a positive side and you shouldn't get that tilted by it. If you ask me be the bigger person when you get in these situations and just laugh it off. Also i never said IT IS THE SURVIVORS FAULT, it goes both ways but just look at most of the streamers, mostly all act toxic mostly playing as survivor, while most killer streamers get belittled for no reason, get tilted and then do facecamps, red morris and other things. What i am trying to say is if people stop cheering on toxic survivors as a whole and somehow that stops them do toxic actions it would make killers less wanting to just bring the kitchen sink and just make the game a ######### show and a unfun mess. The big problem comes also from behavior to do jack nothing for these streamers and just leave them to make even more survivors toxic. They should make facecamping to have some negative for the killer ass well not just a score at the end just as much finding a way to control the cancer 4 mans on comms which at least for me should be categorized as cheating since it is an action done by using a third party program, for that i would be ok with having close proximity comms would make it very funny if the killer could also hear what survivors are talking about while he is close to them and if someone is annoying on them he can just be muted and you just continue to play normally.

Lol, 2016 was the time were generators took 70 seconds to complete, BNPs repaired them in one click and insta-flashlights were a thing. Not counting the absolute hell that was sabotage. Oh, and exhaustion not even being a thing, with Sprint Burst recharging while running and stacking with balanced Landing.

If you really think 2016 was better than now I have bad news for you.

And how does ,,the toxicity starts from survivors'' = survivors are the problem? To me you read between the lines and write whatever comes to mind without putting much of an effort. If you are a streamer with this kinda mentality i can kinda guess what kinda player you are but that is not the point of this discussuion, the big problem with toxicity started with players like ochido and he was toxic not just as a survivor but as much as a killer. As i said steamers, fog whisperers are the reason the game is in this state weather they play killer or survivor. If you go ask how we got to this state of the game most of the streamers would say it is because of people like ochido and his toxic squad of survivor with friends or people who play killer and while on stream put some stupid music on while facecamping a survivor for no reason only to get more views. As i wrote the game would be better if the devs take measures in removing things from the game and banning these kinda streamers. At least try and read through what i wrote instead of just reading a line and going aggressive for no reason this is a discussion not a fight.

I have 1000 hours in the game and from old videos of the game back in 2016 i can kinda see why it could have been i mean there were unbalanced loops pallet next to another pallet, instant fast vaulting from any direction and so on... And as i said for a second time facecamping should be dealth with by somehthing other than a negative score for the killer at the end screen. I never said it was fair or right. The more unbalance there is the more killers have to resort to scummy ways to play and that is on the trash balance team not on all of the players. Also here is something if killers want to go up the ranks things like tunneling, facecamping, morris almost everytime lead to a depip or a black pip. Even the game tells the killer that if they play like this they will get nothing only scorn that they used these stupid things only to gen genrushed and depip. The problem i wrote is this both killer should not be entitled to get 4k every game and neither should the survivor be entitled to escape, that's why the emblem system is there to show you whether you did good or did nothing. AND if as a survivor you get facecamped or tunneled and just have a not fun experience look at the bright side the other 3 have a big chance of escaping if they mostly do the gens.

If it started with survivors they are therefore the problem no?

Also why make your mind up from guessing my forum posts go watch a couple matches and figure it out.

If it is for me personally then yes for me it started from the survivor side but i am not blaming ALL survivors i am not a killer biased player even though i play mostly killer since i find it more challenging and enjoy getting in the head of the survivors. The guess for what type of player you are is based on the way you just answer what i wrote it is called first impressions. If you wanted to prove something you could have just said ,,Cool man if you want come watch my streams and decide then what kinda player i am we can chat there as well'' That is a better first impression then just jumping at me with implying that i am killer sided and don't take that survivors are players too and have their share of problems. As i said this is a discussion not a fight and i myself would be more then happy to watch some of your game play i myself am a rank one killer with all killers and when i decide a rank one solo survivor (prefer to play the game with at least one friend since it kinda gets boring to play survivor solo) and i enjoy watching my friends streamed games so i can give them tips on both survivor and killer game play especially if they want to learn.

That i believe is game design not a reason killers constantly want nerfs. Hook sabo, old one that is, is because it was an toxic way to play since the killer mostly had no counter play to it especially vs a squad maybe a morry with basement hooks if he is lucky. As for vacuum it is just plain unbalanced and exploited and it is still to some extension in the game even now with the survivor back facing the drop of the pallet. These things were exploited they were not fair. If you get hit from a killer right now which should not have hit that is still on the side of the game and servers. Also no other game modes like 2 killers 8 survivors it is normal to go stale and boring.

Ranks dosen't matter at all, Nurse as you said is hard to learn but when you master her almost nothing can stop you. Even SWF. Also survivor aren't easy to learn because you need to know how to counter every killer on each map in many different loops, survivors less job to do? yes because there are 4 of them unlike killer, but is it easy to loop? nah its not unless the killer is new then yeah ofc.

About servers, again how much often to get graps anyway? 1 time every 2-3 games? do you know how many times you get hits as survivor that shouldn't hit you? or dead hard not working but still give you exhaustion? you hear it every game "i/you got dedicated" because the amount of times you get those silly hits.

Back to the Orignal point you said at first 'devs made everything to make the game easier for survivors', and your 2nd replay you agreed that they did improve many things and most of them in killers favor. Sadly killers in fourms with 4k mentality never gonna be satisfied. As solo survivor i always envy you and your small problems.

Well, record a video with your friends in rank 1-5 against a nurse/freddy/spirit and show us how easy you escape. I'm willing to see it.

I'm not a good survivor, I play killer much more, but I can tell you that as a killer, I will most likely go against sweaty swf teams. Extremely boring and unfair to play against. Especially these days, you know, because auras are broken so OoO is even more used.