Individual killer MMR will be a problem for survivors

johnmwarner
johnmwarner Member Posts: 3,793

I wonder if anyone else feels this way, or if there’s any chance they may eventually change it.

As survivor I don’t mind, I’m usually red or purple anyways so if MMR for me is close to that I’ll be going against good killers regardless.

As killer though I rotate. I play most games as Huntress, Pyramid, Clown or spirit... that being said all of my killers have maxed perks and stocks of addons and I play them all fairly well-ish I think.

So when I get bored and play Pig, or have a daily to play Doctor I’m going to be matched against potato survivors and it’s gonna be unfun or oppressive feeling for them

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  • Cheers
    Cheers Member Posts: 3,426
    edited July 2020

    Unfortunately to many like you, this is probably the best way for it to work so people can try out different killers.

  • Xbob42
    Xbob42 Member Posts: 1,117

    I think it should probably take into account the level of each killer, how many perks you have unlocked, maybe even how many games you've played with them, etc, to establish a base MMR. Even if you've never touched a killer (like when a new one comes out) if you're P3 on 7 other ones you should get a boost so you're not matched with new players, but not so much of a boost that you need to stress too hard while you learn.

    Also maybe consider adding an unranked practice mode that isn't just Kill Your Friends.

  • BlindMole
    BlindMole Member Posts: 649

    Why not MMR by killer difficulty?

    Even now a killer has a difficulty rating right? Nurse is hard, and Billy easy, ect.

    So why not rework the difficulty rating, and do group MMR for easy, intermidiate and hard to play killers?

  • johnmwarner
    johnmwarner Member Posts: 3,793

    I could see for new players sure, they need a few “easy games,” with each killer to decide who they like.

    Im not bragging, so I hope it doesn’t sound that way, I have A LOT to learn about individual killer tips I’m sure to play optimally against red SWF death squads or even solid solo loopers. That said I have a couple thousand killer hours and I know what all of them do. Other than Clown, billy and Hag I feel really confident in all of them if paired against “weak players.”

    Groupings would be nice for similar killers, or even they could make it so some of your gameplay applies to all killers? For example if you win with Wraith and your MMR goes up by 10 then all your other killers will go up by 1... numbers totally made up

  • johnmwarner
    johnmwarner Member Posts: 3,793

    Lol true I guess if all matchmaking is random like we think it will be it doesn’t matter!!!

    Yep that’s what I mean. Take Otz for example (or insert fave streamer) and pretend he realizes tomorrow that he never bought the Oni DLC. I don’t care if he’s never played one minute with Oni before, if you pair him up against new or weak players he’s going to steamroll then for 5-10-20 games whatever it is until his MMR forces him into a better bracket.

  • Cheers
    Cheers Member Posts: 3,426

    @johnmwarner

    I get you, I wish players started higher up based on their initial rank, and possibly playtime, other than that though I'm mostly fine.

  • burt0r
    burt0r Member Posts: 4,315

    Maybe make the matchmaking consider devotion rank, additional to total killer level/games played and perks unlock percentage.

  • johnmwarner
    johnmwarner Member Posts: 3,793

    I guess in the end we just have to hope it’s better than now for most games and suffer the occasionally “unfair,” games

  • Talmeer
    Talmeer Member Posts: 1,520
    edited July 2020

    Everything is for surviors unfun or oppressive since years.

    You just to follow this forums for a year and you will know that. Everything that is not a buff for them, gets a outcry with most of the time those words in their threads.

    That said, I play since a year or so most of the time in the brown or green ranks because I spent not so much time anymore playing DBD, but you will be surprised how often you get matched with higher survivors in those ranks. I don't know how it is since they changed the mm (allegedly), but usually you get already matched with red ranks while you are in the brown ranks.

    And that means... You don't have to worry. If rank 1 or 20, you will get your red rank survivors anyways, if they have not change that^^. Part of the reason why I not understand, why someone would like to rank up, you know? If you get already everything in the first reachable ranks...

    Edit: Well that is one reason and the sweaty gameplay up there. Everybody trys to be a tryhard there, after my experience.

  • BigTimeGamer
    BigTimeGamer Member Posts: 1,752

    Reason #112 why MMR is bad for a game like Dbd

  • coppersly
    coppersly Member Posts: 2,318
    edited July 2020

    Yes it's gonna suck and be pretty off for a while when MMR is introduced but eventually most everyone who plays even semi-regularly should be placed near or at their true MMR and when you swap to another killer you'll be very close to your actual elo instead of on a brand new killer.

    Yes that also means each killer release will go through this phase but I think ultimately it's worth it, the ends justify the means in this scenario.

    This is like the same argument for maintaining infrastructure. It's more expensive to repair and maintain something upfront but over time it's the way better option because you have both a functional and maintained system and also avoid having to spend ridiculous amounts of time, effort, and energy to build something new anyways when the old infrastructure collapses and fails finally.

  • teamdehn
    teamdehn Member Posts: 222

    The more I think of it the more I have concerns about separate killer MMR.


    How much killer gameplay is shared between killers 50, 60, 70 or even 90%?


    The main argument for this is they dont want a god tier nurse to use a different killer to "lower" their MMR except let's face it a truly god tier nurse is still going to be league better on any killer than fresh ranks.


    This god tier nurse will presumably have a working knowledge of most perks, safe and un safe loops. Most assuredly they will know how to spot and punish basic survivor mistakes. So all of those concerns about experienced players picking on low tiers players will still be around if not exacerbated because they will probably have 5-10 killers they dont really touch but can boot anytime they feel like being toxic.

    Also mmr systems need to collect data to decently pair you up let's say 5-10 games. With 20 killers that's anywhere from 100-200 games you would play before being correctly matched up.

    And the only benefit is we save some people theoretical hardship of trying a new killer?

    If you are above the bell curve meaning you are in the top 25% you are not taking more than 1 or 2 games to be performing at a decent level on any killer realistically.

    I guess this mostly speculation on how the mmr will work but it sounds like it's going to be a fresh MMR for each killer which imo will be easier to punish noobs with than not.

  • thrawn3054
    thrawn3054 Member Posts: 6,368

    I think a good way for them to do this is to have two different mmr's for killers. One being an individual ranking the other being a total killer ranking. They use the individual ranking obviously to figure out where you should be matched with killers you obviously play. Then the total killer ranking takes your average across all killers and applies it to any killer you don't regularly play. That would probably be the best way to get an accurate match making system.

  • Sonzaishinai
    Sonzaishinai Member Posts: 7,976

    It will be a problem for like 5 matches until it puts you against stronger survivors again

    It's a problem that fixes itself over time so who cares

  • Pawcelot
    Pawcelot Member Posts: 985

    I am not saying you're wrong but isn't that a bit depressing? I mean, their track record implementing new stuff sometimes don't work at all but like.. some tiny bit of faith in them?

  • xEa
    xEa Member Posts: 4,105

    I am super scared of the upcoming MMR System. All i will verse as a Survivor will be Spirit and Nurse and maybe here and there a Freddy or a Iri Huntress.

    This sounds wired i know, but MMR is 2 early. First they should buff (Clown, Legion, Pig, Wraith...) and nerf (Spirit, Nurse, Freddy) so there is actually a chance to get some variety in certain MMR, especially very high and very low MMR.

  • Deathslinger
    Deathslinger Member Posts: 570

    Well, if you wanna believe the rumor mill, the company brought in new blood so the new people have to strut their ######### around to feel important and the old team has to walk on eggshells while working. So we know the track record of the old team, which is shaken but with some good intentions, but not really with this new team what with their new and grand ideas of fking us over and taking our money.

    Game just needs to be shiny and marketable with lots of content to purchase with real money. That other stuff? Not so much~