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Killers Vs Survivors On This Game
Killers first. Your job is to kill. Kill everyone the best you can. Tunnel, face camp, nod your head, mori, use iri add-ons and do what you need to to do your job. Don't let someone tell you how to kill or play. If there is 1 gen left and 3 people are on it but you haven't killed or even 2 hooked a survivor, do you think survivors will stop and give you time to kill 2 people? No. So why take their input on how to play? Either way, your job is to kill. Do it in anyway you need. The other side won't care that you didn't kill anyone.
Survivors. Do what you must to escape. Be annoying with flashlights, teabag and use what you have to escape. It's a literal strategy. If someone is getting chased and you teabag to get the killer off of the survivor, that's called a, "Distraction". You get points for it and helps your teammate get some breathing room and heal. Yeah, some will get upset but it's your job to escape. If someone gets tunneled and you don't even try to help get the killer off of them then that's on you guys, not the killer. You're a team. Help each other.
My words to both sides in the game and on the forums. It's a GAME. One side will always feel jilted no matter the outcome of a match if both sides are trying to escape and the other is trying to kill but balance is a must and just because someone doesn't play how YOU want doesn't mean you should berate them. It's a multiplayer game. Swallow your pride and say gg then move on. Thank you.
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Ok so if what your saying is correct we have a killer that downs and hooks someone, facecamps them the entire match while the rest of the gens are completed? Doors are opened and they get out...... i don't see any fun in that at all, 1 person is sacrificed for the sake of 1 dying. Sorry but I want to play a match that lasts longer than 5 minutes
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If the killer wants to kill 1 person, it's their choice. Same as survivors completing all gens in 3 minutes when a killer is trying. No sympathy for either side. If you don't like it, play killer your way. Stop trying to force your play style on someone else.
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I Play killer.... and survivor..... i don't face came, I don't gen rush.... i play the game. No tunnelling, no slugging, no taunting the killer or constantly clicking the flashlight. At the end of the match always say GG regardless if the survivors are toxic or not. What i will say is that if killers play the way you are suggesting above say goodbye to new players. No one wants to deal with constant toxic survivors or killer. My son started playing this game as killer, hes a rank 20 and got a full group of red rank survivors being toxic on his first game, second game yet again, purple ranks that were being toxic. At least at the end of the game they had the decency to apologise because they realised he was new to the game. Your just trying to breed a toxic game style that everyone hates.
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@AVoiceOfReason So exactly right.🤗
The only thing I won't do is say GG if it wasn't a GG. That being said - I also won't say anything. :-)
I especially like : " If someone gets tunneled and you don't even try to help get the killer off of them then that's on you guys, not the killer. You're a team. Help each other." *20 thumbs up. Help each other.
@Laurab84 I totally get where you're coming from. This is where hook suicide is handy. First hook? Teammates not coming? Killer Camping etc. Hook Suicide and move to the next match.
Seriously.
There is no point in staying in a game that is miserable straight out of the gate with no indication it will improve... but... always let your team try to help first though. It's only fair. 😘😁
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I understand what you are saying but again, how do you combat playing say 4 games in a row, your new to the game and you get face camped each time. Are you really going to pick that game up and play it again? Highly doubt it. The game is bad enough with match making right now never mind people being overly toxic. I play both sides so I understand both sides. What i dont understand is how anyone can try and promote toxic game play. Sorry but I actually want to pip up and by gen rushing you cant as a survivor qnd by face camping as a killer you can't. The game in meant to be enjoyable, and the way described above is not
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I started on PS4 and have seen bugs that made the game unplayable and I stuck around until it got better. If someone doesn't like to get face camped then try to loop better. Watch videos like I did. I came from the face camping meta to pip when we still had the cube. When there was no ping indicator and it took up to 2 hours of literal time to find a match then you get a match with a killer with 500 ping so you couldn't even move without teleporting. I've seen real bugs that broke the game and I've had games where face camping WAS a death hook because there was no swivel hook.
I never really complained because it was how the game was. People need to learn that this game isn't about winning every time. These are not bots. These are real people who want to win. Telling them to play by your rules so you have the easiest chance to win is not a valid play style. They want to win also. I have videos of me getting suctioned back to the hook in the basement and even getting stuck INSIDE the hook.
Telling someone to play the way you want in a multiplayer game is stupid. Don't play a multiplayer game then. Multiplayer is allowing others to enjoy the game their way. If you forced every person to play the way you want, you strip them of the ability to enjoy themselves. Might as well play single player with bots. I get face camped a lot but I enjoyed the chase and I ruined the killer's chance at 2k-4k. To me, that is extremely satisfying. I did what I could for the team.
I don't suicide even if no gens are done because I care about my teammates. I'm the guy who will rescue someone with NOED with BT so they can get out even when it kills me because THAT'S how I like to PLAY. It's irrational to ######### for someone else to live but I will in a heartbeat if they worked the killer to give us a chance to get out. If I was forced to just leave, it wouldn't be exciting.
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I would rather not engage in that kind of gameplay. I dont enjoy it.
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That's the beauty of this game. You play how you want without needing to follow another's ruleset.
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Ok so what if i get a 4k and still de-pip anyways is that me winning?
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To each, their own. I play with the motion that 3k is a win and 4k is a stomping. Just the same as I play survivor, if I can survive with 4 gens done, I did my job and I feel proud. I don't go by the pip system. I'm rank 1 and when you depend on teammates, it can go both ways. If you feel like you lost, that's on you. Some killers get punished for using their power- Plague, Billy and Micheal, for killing too fast. Is that fair? No but its part of the game so looking at pips to me isn't a reliable look at skill but a gauge of how well I did.
Note: Used the wrong word
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Yeah i get what you mean, It's just not a good feeling when you do the objective (getting a 4k) and get a depip anyways.
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It's the same as survivor when you get chased for 5 gens and the gate openings then get 1 hooked before depipping. Not always your fault that you couldn't break away from a killer who really likes you. Why be punished? Its why I liked the victory cube. You did your job to help your teammates escape so you pipped. Now its based upon the killer AND your teammates and I really dislike it but it's not my game so I can't say anything. I completely feel for you.
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Ah the english language - got to hate it - as when I read the OP's post - I don't see it as advocating for toxic but rather calling it all as it is.
I get what you're saying too. I currently only play survivor. (I have tried killer though.) I've been in enough games to watch the crappy things that happen to killers to to be able to understand both too.
This is where toxic is sooo subjective. What some see as toxic - others see as a game style. You see camping as toxic - I see cheating sandbagging, working with the killer against your teammates etc as toxic. The rest - game play style.
You want a pip and have fun - I get it. I just want the latter. If you want both it's going to mean a lot of practise. (Hard to do when you're dead 10 seconds into game - yup I understand.) Last week I had like 10 games back to back that were horrid. I was dead without being able to do much. Tossed me back three levels (I'm okay with that though) but zero were any fun at all.
Before I talk about the next part, let me first preface it with - I suck - particularly at chases. I work on that every chance I get in game.
Bare with me for a sec on this next part please:
When in a team - we're supposed to be a team.
Camping and tunneling both have counterplays - both reply on your team. If you have team members that don't care about their teammates - it is going to be a crappy game. Full stop. Not the killers fault. (Although in saying that I don't think camping and tunnelling is a nice way to play, or fun - especially when new and learning - but I can't argue that it's not a play style either.)
If you are being camped / tunneled Your teammates should be trying to grab you and distracting the killer. It's on them if they leave you to die. That's the part that sucks as you never know who you get as a mate.
As I've gotten a bit better I have good days where I will rush the killer who is camping a teammate and try to draw them away. If I'm lucky, I'll last just long enough for my teammate to be unhooked before I'm hooked. If I see another teammate as well going for you - I get close and watch to see what they are trying to do. If I see they are going to try and unhook you - again - I try to run the killer. If they are trying to run the killer then I wait and I unhook you. (Hopefully the third teammate has stayed on the gens.)
Solo it's hard as you have to try to read your teammates.
Do I think Camping and tunnelling is fun - not at all - I hate it. When I get better - if I ever get better - I might enjoy the challenge. As a new player - I feel you as our skills are a bit low for that kind of advanced play and it does suck. :-(
Any of that make sense?
If you are new - perhaps you are better doing what I am. Not worry about pips and work on improving skills. It's not an easy game and it will take us time to better ourselves.
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When I initially played, I use to hide in lockers and use to throw pallets down immediately before being face camped for the rest of the match. It took me awhile to learn how to loop. Once I learned, face camping was rewarded less and less. The fear of dying is a good motivator to get better. They even have a KYFs to practice with your friends. This game will never be perfect. Neither side will be 100% happy.
What I always tell my friends is, killer isn't the one that I'm fearful of. Its my teammates because they might crouch all game and do nothing or they might get caught instantly and suicide or my favorite, unhook me in front of the killer without BT then not even try to protect me xD There's a reason people say they're leaving then come back. It's balanced yet people want to always win so it doesn't seem it. A perfect balance will always shaft both sides.
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I hid in corners and bushes and panicked the second I heard the heartbeat lol
Exactly - neither side will be perfectly happy. It's why we need to show some respect to both. (That's why I say nothing in chat after if my teammates left me to die or a killer Facecamps and I've had zero play time. Not going to disrespect anyone like that. I'll simply move on.)
LMAO OMG yes, I am much more scared of my teammates than the killers usually lol.
I am guilty of unhooking a teammate without BT. If no one is trying to help them, and they are going to die,I am going to risk it. In fairness I try to take the hit instead of them - it sadly does not always work out that way. Teammates have gotten mad a t me for that but better I tried then they simply die. (I have kindred on when I pull those hail mary stunts - so I know no one is coming for them or they are too far away to make it over on time.)
Really the biggest problem I see in the game, in reality, is mismatching. I think once that gets sorted and we are playing with people in our own skill levels it's going to help a lot. Perfect - nope - I think people will have more fun though.
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The game is very balanced for what it is. What you mentioned are the reasons why I enjoy this game so much. We see different reactions and plays. We learn from them and get better results. Its a gamble and when it pays off, it's a high like no other. Getting away with an unhook while the killer is looking the other way while face camping then everyone getting out is wonderful. Nothing like it or hooking that 1 survivor and making sure he/she dies after looping you all game is also very rewarding.
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@AVoiceOfReason Exactly.
Don't you wish people would laugh more too. Especially at fails.
This morning I dropped a pallet right on a teammate as a killer was in hot pursuit of us. (I didn't see she was behind me - I thought it was the killer) and when I looked back I was horrified. She made it over and I fully expected a tongue lashing after the game. In chat I apologized to her for my mess up and she was laughing. Took it so well.
These moments too are what I live for in game. Those epic laughable fails and the victories when you do something and it works.
Do you think if they can get the new matchmaking system to work okay we might have less of a divide and find more people enjoying the game too? MAybe? Perhaps?
I'm glad you posted this thread as it really is bare bones reality truth. I hope it helps some people to see things differently.
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I've had matches like that. I've fell in front of a Billy's chainsaw coming out of a building, landing right behind the player so I took a chainsaw to the back. It was pretty epic. Pretty sure Billy lost it lol. People are competitive so it's hard to enjoy a normal game most of the time.
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You really are a voice of reason :D
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I try to be fair no matter what.
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