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My main problem with Minotaur aka Oni's legendary.
So, what were legendary skins been advertised as? "Completely new character, 2 characters in 1" and so on. A skin that turns ONE character with ONE personality and appearance into ANOTHER with ANOTHER personality and appearance.
In case of Lisa Garland, she kinda fit into that description, despite being a not very good skin: she had different lobby stance and generally looked like a different character as she definitely had a different personality compared to Cheril. People didn't like her because she didn't gave much changes for a 15$ skin, but she fit into description of legendary quality nonetheless.
Now. Guardian of Labyrinth aka Minotaur skin for Oni. Not only this skin doesn't have any changes, but it also doesn't fit into a description of "Completely new character" and here's why:
- Why is GREEK MYTHOLOGY BEAST using a JAPANESE weapon (Kanabo)?
- Why is GREEK MYTHOLOGY BEAST that is HALF MAN HALF BULL charging like a SAMURAI?
- Why is GREEK MYTHOLOGY BEAST mimicking Kazan's Yamaoka sword technicues (in the lobby, in the game during 2nd hit animation and so on)?
Not very major, but nonetheless:
- Why is GREEK MYTHOLOGY BEAST performing Kazan's Yamaoka SIGNATURE killing move? You can argue that ripping tongue and bashing them with a heavy weapon isn't very unique and it's pretty likely for a beast like Minotaur do something like that too and I can partly agree, but nonetheless it just adds up into "not so new character".
- Why does Minotaur have THE SAME VOICE as Yamaoka Kazan? Yeah, Cheril and Lisa have the same voice, but remember that Lisa has unique lobby animation and different facial animations?
I suppose there are some minor changes (animation/sounds) but I haven't noticed them after 4 hours of playing Oni in new skin, so I assume there are none.
In the end, Minotaur skin is just a reskin of Oni. A beautiful one, undoubtly, but just a reskin which I personally CANNOT consider a separate character or LEGENDARY worthy. It is a Purple or Very rare skin, but NOT a LEGENDARY. He has NO unique personality. He is NOT a separate character, but just a purple skin for Oni that is posed as a legendary.
Now, what do I suggest to make this legendary skin BETTER. I'll start from simplest to hardest options in my opinion:
- Make him different voice. Simply lower the pitch of already recorded voicelines, that'll do the trick.
- Give him new lobby animation. EVEN THAT would be enough to give Minotaur a unique personality.
- Create new animations for Demon Dash. Anything noticeable. For example if he additionally lowers his head horns forward like a bull (while Oni keeps his head straight).
- Create new mori animation. Yes. For example - he bashes a survivor with his kanabo/club multiple times or lifts them on his horns.
- Replace his Kanabo. With anything. A big bone, a wooden club, a mace, a n y t h i n g that is not a weapon associated with japanese warriors. An additional point for making a weapon associated with ancient Greece.
I hope you'll do what needs to be done and give Minotaur what he deserves. I've been disappointed in that skin, but I still have faith in you, Devs. Please do the right thing and give Minotaur personality.
@Almo @Peanits can I have your response/opinion on this topic? Is this how legendary skins are going to be? No changes or anything to separate them from main character theme?
Thank you, have a nice day
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I agree, if you are making a brand new character that costs the game and a half at least give him exciting new animations. That would make the buy actually worth it. I was personally expecting his kanabo to be replaced with a hammer ;_;
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Yeah they should have at least made the kanabo something different, it really breaks the immersion of being a charging Minotaur from Greece When you are wielding a Japanese weapon.
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Yeah, it just feels wrong and out of place.
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I do agree with this, the japanese sword on a minator is kinda silly
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They REALLY need to make the Kanabo different. That, to me, is the greatest offense that shows how lazy they went with the skin. To me, giving him a unique mori isn't completely necessary (though it would be nice), but if they made at least 3 of the changes out of your 5 suggestions, I would be much happier.
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@ScottJund Can you make a video on this? I'm sure you're disappointed too.
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I think it’d be cool to maybe have the weapon be a double sided battle axe, I feel like that’d be a pretty decent idea
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That would be a very short video
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Fair enough. Short ranty videos are cool too though. I've enjoyed your recent discussion series.
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Legendary skins right now just seem like glorified very rare skins.
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Not as bad the fact the clown and spirit skin were also legendary before a change a week or two before release 😂
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They did mention the possibility of killer power skins in the future but that's likely a ways off..my beef with this skin is the sword is attached to it
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but they didnt release as legendary did they? so there's no problem there.
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Nah I’m not saying this should be either I’m just saying there some dumb things they think should be legendary
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Change the samurai showed to a broad sword and the kanabo to a battle axe. Just a thought I had
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the kanabo to a battle axe idea is great, to be honest though the sword does look really cool and i don’t mind the sword, would be cool aswell if they changed the oni picture to a Minotaur at the bottom left when you’re in a game
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Indeed which is why its a good thing he doesnt have a Japanese sword. Sure he still has the Club thats Japanese in origin but the sword definitly isnt.
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Something tells me that I should hold off on buying the skin for a little while lol.
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Yeah I was hoping it would 100% remove the weebiness but it's still there.
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Yeah my issue with the skin is that he still uses a kanabo. It just seems like a missed opportunity. He could have a huge battle axe, a massive club, maybe even get creative and give him like a tree log but instead its just the same old. Still a good skin but it could have been a great skin.
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A unigue mori could be the Mintoar picking up the survivor and impaling them with the horn. After that they throw it to the ground. Could also have the survivor stand up and be impaled by a running minotaurs horn then they fall.
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I really hope the devs see this and use this idea, it’d be probably the coolest mori and also make the legendary skin fully legendary
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They won't.
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😔
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I hadn't thought about that and you make a very good point, for the cost of the skin I would expect some new sounds and animations as well.
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Unless people go really crazy about the idea and share it, unfortunately then that method leaves it unclear as to who came up with it in the first place.
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It would be a shame to not get credit for the idea but all I’d care about is just the fact that it happened, it’d seem dumb not to do these changes but I can understand that maybe they wanna focus on something else or it could take time and effort, it’d definitely pay off though I’d imagine they’d have a lot of people buying the skin
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I agree on all counts OP.
I think the character needs to feel like it has an identity that fits that lore.
They should have given him one of these as a weapon:
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Agreed. I know the Kanobo is related to his power and not a skin, but seriously it's just plain stupid to not change it. Legendary skins are supposed to be unique. For his cost he should have at least an entirely different look if not new animations and voice.
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Also his red rage particle effects are still basically his hair, which is absent on the skin. Looks like #########.
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Definitely, let’s hope enough people talk about this so it comes to the devs attention, they should stick to what they said about legendary skins and actually make it worth all that it costs, also there is a slight visual problem where you can see the Minotaurs face when starting demon rush, so there is a chance they could add new stuff to him when they fix that
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They couldn't change the sounds because of the Licensing.
They couldn't add a new voice because of the licensing.
They couldn't add a new mori animation because the license holders won't allow BHVR.
They couldn't change the name from Oni to The Minotaur because believe me, the License holders wouldn't allow it.
All these are great additions, but sadly the License holders were either too lazy or wouldn't allow it.
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I don’t know much about licensing but he is an original killer so don’t they already have access to everything?
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Exactly my point.
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Precisely The Oni and The Minotaur licence holders were just couldn't come to an agreement 😉. We should make sure to contact the license holders about this to voice our frustration.
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So they probably just didn’t allow it? That seems so pointless though, it would of had so many more sales I reckon, if they actually done all these things. This just sets the expectations for new legendary killer skins really low.
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Thats not exaclty what I mean. I want people to know that I made it. Not the devs to credit me, if they do then thats wonderfull. I want people to NOT go like this:
Toxic Slugger: lol, ima mori you now. Lolol
An Intellectual: Ah! Who made that Mori?
Toxic Slugger: uh devs lol now die.
The names make me laugh. Apolgies if this sounds narccistic.
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I can see why you’d want that, it’d be awesome, just a shame that this thread probably won’t blow up, unless the devs do frequently check but even then I doubt this is enough to make them change it, which is a real shame
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Hate to brake it to you but There are no Licenses for Greek myths. They are historical, nobody owns the Minotaur as a concept so you can't use that as an excuse.
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That's my point Genius.
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No my point is there is no license. they don't have to ask anyone to put The Minotaur in the game. unless "All these are great additions, but sadly the License holders were either too lazy or wouldn't allow it." meant something entirely different. or if you are being sarcastic maybe put a /s next time ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
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I know there's no license, my point is that they were lazy.
That's it.
Laziness. That's my whole point. They have no one to blame this time.
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Sorry man there are too many dumb people in this world, so I wouldn't be surprised if somebody actually believed what you said to be true.
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and that too, yeah.
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Some people struggles with sarcasm lol.
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Too bad
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And worst part his skin is bugged and due to clipping you can see his horns as a killer its weird.. Yeah about that we are malina linked crap because if clipping issues.. Another example how they are lazy and in rush to pump out tons of cosmetics... Np .not worth of buy sadly ... And i was going to buy it
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Yeah, one of my disappointments
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I was disappointed that he still uses the Kanabo over something like an Axe.
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I wouldnt mind the length at all, rant videos are always good
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