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The only reason to be against the DC penalty
Is if you're a rage quitter.
I see a ton of comments trying to say "but what if muh internet goes out? what if I get a power surge?"
If your internet goes out, your ban will be over by the time it comes back up. Same thing with a power surge. If your internet/power is going out over and over, you have bigger problems than needing to play DBD.
These comments are from rage quitters that don't want to taint their image. They're just coming up with any excuse they can because they want to keep disconnecting.
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The DC penalty is not doing anything.
My concern is as a killer, they're still rage quitting, and I'm going to find more players, and those players will rage quit and on and on.
As a killer, it doesn't do anything.
Nothing.
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You don't see it do anything, but the number of rage quitters at any given time is without a doubt lower than it would be if there was no penalty
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For 3 days, it's done nothing.
If they don't rage quit, they're killing themselves on hook. I don't like it, as a killer.
As survivor, I don't care, I don't "rage quit."
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I absolutely agree (as someone who lives in a place with many storms and power surges). No reason to DC.
What do you think of these slightly different situations that are times I've seen people DC:
-The survivors are holding the game hostage.
-The killer is holding the game hostage (less viable to happen now, but used to be easier).
-The survivor is sick of playing against the same killer repeatedly.
-The killer's hex is broken at the game's onset.
-The survivor is missing their UI (somewhat common on PS4).
-The game is glitched in general.
I've only ever DC'd on the loading screen due to messages from other players indicating they are not wanting to play the game as intended (farming, trying to get the solo survivor killed). Even that feels scummy to me.
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If someone's holding the game hostage, they get banned. Record the game for at least a few minutes before you DC. You'll get a 5 minute matchmaking ban, they'll get a week long game ban.
Glitches should also be recorded, but I try to play through the jankyness of DBD's bugs.
The other 2 are just frustration and not valid reasons to ruin the game for the other players.
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I'm not trying to hijack your topic, but I have had zero luck with reporting people holding the game hostage on PS4. Still, I don't DC. I go take a shower, make a snack, and watch YouTube. I'm patient, just speaking to the times people DC where I feel a shred of understanding for it.
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BHVR doesn't tell you the results of the report.
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There's a guy on PS4 I have played against too many times who has a knack for getting survivors into situations where they can't move. I've reported him 8+ times with footage. I've blocked him (though he found my YouTube account and comments there). Keep running into him in games and I just try to be very conscious of that and message the other survivors. He also likes to message the others survivors though that he's farming and they should help him block me in somewhere. And then it just gets worse.
Anyways, moving on....
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Im with op 100%, let the dc penalty stay. So many and I mean soo goddamn many games where t he survivors just leave while it was gone, or before it even existed. Do they still dc? Yes, ofc would be silly to think you could remove it 100%. But you gotta come up with a lot more than 1 image of people dc'ing before I even start taking your complaint serious.
As for the other part, that when survivors dc, killers actually get punished. This is true as well, let a dc count as a full sacrifice, anything less is silly. Maybe a compensation reward for the survivors as well, but I wouldnt know exactly what to do for it to not be abusable, besides just giving the other survivors the leavers blood point. Or maybe taking them directly from his blood point stash. "Oh you just left a game, well I guess the other survivors and killer are gonna get 10k each from you. If you dont have 40k to pay, then you have to earn them in your coming matches." and then just stacking it up higher and higher with each additional disconnect. At least then you would feel that the leaver is getting punished and you are getting compensated for your wasted time.
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I have been disconnected from the Host several times this week. I'm already on the 15-minute ban. Probably by the end of the month I’ll get the 24 hour ban.
So no, I don't think it's a good mechanic, since they don't know how to differentiate rage quit with computer or internet problems
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bc if those reasons are legitimate then people will add their own. Even accidental sandbagging = DC. Running straight at the killer after being unhooked = being hardcore tunnelled = DC. Chasing one survivor for 5 minutes straight and the others do gens = genrush = DC. Barely any games would end without at least one player disconnecting which is how it used to be and it was #########.
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What systems? You cant report until after the game so you’re still stuck between letting idiots waste 10 minutes of your life or disconnecting and getting a 5 minute time out. Either way they win and get what they want.
Anecdotal evidence suggests that these reports are worthless. We have no way to prove otherwise.
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there are plenty of reasons to be against it:
-the game is full of broken ######### (spirit, broken addons, OoO)and till devs fix them players should be able to just leave
-survivors can just kill themselves on hook
-killers can just go afk in a corner, making the rest of the game extremely boring for survivors.
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you can thank all those that abused the leave match functionality for your time outs, it's not good no, but it is why it's here. If they had not abused the mechanic then there would have been no cause for this and all would have been good.
you can use the ticket system without completing a game with them lol... but i guess you didn't want that tidbit to be around.
people are still learning that it's back in play... give it a bit more and people will have the reality sink in.
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OP - no. There is a new reason. BHVR is bringing bots to the game to take the place of players who leave. Once that happens, we should be able to DC because at that point, who cares?
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Because bots will never be anywhere as good as real human players. They should never remove the penalty. If anything, once the bots come around, they should increase it.
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The system should be able to discern between someone rage quitting because there is specific actions you have to do for that, and being booted from the game (power cut, internet crash, game crash etc).
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You can cut the power/internet connection yourself or force the game to crash. However, if you know your connection is bad or that the power supply in your region is unstable, you should not be playing online video games. Having a stable internet connection is as much of a requirement for online gaming as your GPU or OS.
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Not anti dc, but the game really needs to learn if what happens is on our side or not, they said once dedicated go live they can tell the difference between legitiment dcs and the servers chocking up.
last night i played killer and when i started moring a survivor they dc/quit/idk crashed the server, so the match got nuked the game says that i disconnected and got a dc penalty slapped on me. and it wasn't a one time thing that a survivor/server has done that, ive had it happened at least twice before this. 😂
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Game crash I agree with as if the game pops up with a way to report the crash it should know its not on purpose.
The others unfortunately are too abusable as pulling the ethernet out, turning off wifi or unplugging the machine would then bypass the system.
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Ah but you see, when you get "disconnected from host" you can 1. still have power 2. still be logged in the game.
So how did someone cut the power, force game crash, disconnect etc,... and still be logged in the game?
It's happened to me.
You can have a rock solid connection like i do on fiber and still get "disconnected from the match"
Does it happen to me daily/often? No, but does it happen to innocent players? yes.
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Yeah you can do that, but realistically how many people are going to cut the power to their home just so they can back out of a video game. Power cuts and internet crashes can happen that have nothing to do with instability. That's the point. These are things that are beyond a player's control, but they are being punished for it.
If people are so adamant to go and kill the power to their home or pull the plug on their wifi just so they can leave a match, then let them go to that effort. Its a far better alternative than punishing those who got booted for reasons beyond their control. Realistically I can't see most people being in a situation where they can consistently kill the wifi or the power without upsetting other people in their home.
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Not to their home, just to their computer. I can do it right now with the push of a button - my extension cord literally has a button to cut off the power to all connected devices. And the answer is "many people". Hell, you can probably just put your computer to sleep, because I doubt the devs would hook into Windows to find out if you were doing something like that.
No, you should not acquiesce just because they're very adamant about making the game worse for everyone else. That's precisely when you shouldn't acquiesce.
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Fair point.
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Streamers literally get the "disconnected from host" thing while live on twitch and they are still streaming,.... victim blaming the innocent players is just easier on the forums.
When people get this disconnect live on cam while streaming its pretty obvious they did not pull the cord, cut their internet or power etc... its the server host.
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That's a bug that should be fixed, but it's not a reason to throw out the whole system. If players hadn't abused disconnections, none of this would be happening, but here we are. Blame the DCers, not the devs.
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Not blaming anyone, simply trying to show you that it does indeed happen, at least you admit its a bug.
edit added this: If anything, trying to stop the victim from being blamed for something they didn't have anything to do with.
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I mean if a family emergency, or even just my family needs me for something important, I'm disconnecting, I ain't waiting to finish the game while my grandpa needs to go to the hospital.
The issue isn't that itsjust five minutes, it's that nobody wants a mark on their record for occasionally disconnecting due to any number of reasons. We all have our bad days, amd the way the system is advertised it's led to assume these are permanent, if you dc a number of times over a length of time, it stacks up on you.
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I know it happens. I just don't think it's a good enough reason to throw out the whole system.
If you only disconnect during an emergency and aren't someone whose job depends on them being somewhere else at random points in time or people die, you'll be fine. The penalties do stack, but if you don't DC for some time, they reset.
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"I know it happens. I just don't think it's a good enough reason to throw out the whole system."
Neither do I. Personally, I am all for a DC penalty. I am on record stating it should be longer than 5 mins. However, I am also tech-minded enough to know, the system can tell the difference between a true "DC" like I pull the ethernet cord out, or a game crash, or host disconnect.
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keep tell your self that humans better then bots.
at this point the game should be just bots killers face bot survivors and survivor face bot killers because it obvious we can't play together with out being toxic and ruin the game for everyone.
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I disagree. In a lot of cases, people DC because it's over for them anyway. They're about to be hooked on their death hook. They're about to be downed for the final time. Why not let a bot ride that out? Sure, you're going to get those who DC after first down or for some other lame reason, but at least they will be replaced with a bot. A player sticking around that doesn't want to be there is more likely to sandbag or just try to suicide than a bot. I'll take my chances with a bot in that scenario.
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Ormond and Haddonfield offerings is a good reason too.
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I don't think that's explained very well, which is why some people are upset by the ruling.
Idk these hyperbolic extreme posts are grating on the nerves. Everyone who disagrees with the dc penalty is a rage quitter? Really? Cmon dude
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The game crashed on me 4 times last night on PS4 Pro. As in the software failed, it froze and closed out. That's a game problem so in this case I don't think I should get the penalty. Of course I submitted the reports using the console report function. I actually haven't posted my opinion on the penalty. I realize there's probably no way to distinguish between a legitimate crash and people just closing out of the game. However if there are a lot of bugs and problems with the game, then the penalty should be suspended again. I'll see how it plays tonight. I just wanted to offer additional Insight because a lot of people have this blanket opinion that everyone who hates the penalty is simply a rage quitter.
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