PSA about MMR

I just want to remind you what you said a few days back...

Cause of you never play wraith the 10 first game will be with some good and bad players to figure out your MMr and then get the right match making once its done, if you never play a killer its normal to be beaten, but the game doesnt know yet what your skill level is

If they were brown or yellow ranks, ok, but greens should have known better. Matching purples and greens is not bad at all.

....I haven't even played yet and all of these threads are worrying. Whoo boy.

I am a 3k hrs player with about 2k hrs on Survivor and I play almost every day, so I have decent experience everywhere. My first 3 survivor matches were against newer or inexperienced killers, but then it quickly evened out on a enjoyable level. Still a bit weak opponents or mates but this is maybe due to the last couple of days where I only faced moris, tunneling and camping and depipped almost every match. :(

I tried some killers I rarely play and I am satisfied with the outcome so far.

Although I felt bad for those 5hrs survivors who had to play against me as nurse who is just bad at blinking and players her rarely (I got destroyed on red ranks) but basically understands how she works. But after 2 matches where I demolished "rank 20s" I got one or two guys who knew counterplay to Nurse and were a little bit of a challenge. So it scaled pretty quick.

The same was for spirit. I just got destroyed at high ranks before. Now I could actually try the adept achievements on rarely played killers again without getting rushed and bullied by experienced Survivors. I still felt a bit bad for the newbies without iron will or DS or similar, when I did adept Spirit, but I only played one match.

Even on Huntress which I played more lately for the archives, I got a OK match on a bad map.

I did not test it on my main yet. But I think I will get more experienced players when I play Freddy.

That's a different issue altogether and unrelated to the topic of our conversation.

I'm sorry but MMR isn't working if I'm getting 2 rank 20s with only 1/2 perks.

I'm not saying my MMR should be extremely high but it's definitely not that low.

30 is like a single play session for me, so I guess I'll give it a few days before I judge it. Sort of taking a break though until they fix the aura thingy.

Because it's a killing festival. If it were an escape festival there would be hordes of killers crying for an inmediate fix

So when a new killer appear we'll see rank 1 killer against rank 20 survs?

Sure, why not? Rank isn't relevant for matchmaking any more, so you'd see that regardless.

It's funny that you mention this. My friend tried to get adept killer achievements at red ranks the last couple of days (unsuccessfully).

Now with the new MMR he got matched against brown ranks all the time and was able to easily get several achievements yesterday.

I guess we all just have to wait a week or so until everyone does their placement matches then. It's just not fun at all that we have to stomp new players for it to start working properly. And it's not fair for new players to have to go against players who are more experienced but I hope eventually it ends up being worth it and starts working. Also yes having MMR hidden feels so wrong. It almost makes me think they did that so we have no way of knowing if it's actually working as intended or not and if it's not so they won't have to deal with it. I don't like saying that but I don't know, having it hidden is not right at all.

It's not really true that rank is meaningless.

Sure, it's not a great representation of skill level, but it IS representative of time playing and understanding of what your job is in your role.

I played survivor last night, depipped consistently from rank 3 to 5, routinely getting paired up with survivors rank 18-20, against red ranked killers.

Regardless of how accurately (or inaccurately) ranks reflect skill, I think we can all agree that rank 1 killers are going to beat rank 18 survivors every time.

I got a couple of them knocked out. But others I just couldn't get done. I've played a fair amount of Doc. But I just can't get the double pip.

C&P'd from another post but felt relivent here

just had a match, rank 19, 18, 12 (me), 1 survivors vs rank 2 p3 ghost.

game ended in 3 minutes he had downed 2 people in a matter of seconds of the match starting, BBQ holds his hand and found me, decided to just suicide, last guy ran him around for about a minute and a half before inevitably dying.

next game survivors rank 18,13,12(me), 3 vs rank 1 p3 slinger.

game lasted just over 5 minutes where he quickly tunneled down 2 kills, toyed with me as his 3rd, last guy gets immediately gunned down due to BBQ and Iron maiden.

now if "ranks" dont mean anything, they sure as hell look it because the highest ranks are the ones surviving longest and killing efficiently and swiftly.

edit: another game, survivors 4,4, 6, 13(me... yes im deranking now its that bad) vs rank 2 p2 PH, guy swiftly stomps the rank 6 because you cant outrun a good PH even with windows its a lose lose situation and one of the 4's DC's immediately knowing its PH, so i just go and die to end it faster because 2 people aint doing 5 gens.

""""good job so far""""

again if ranks has nothing to do with it it sure bloody looks like it because the higher ranks are crushing the lower ranks.

edit: the sequal : match 3 , survivors are 20,18,13(me) and 5 vs rank 1 clown with an elephent costume head and bloodied clothes but no doubt has p3 as well who had surge, nurse's, BBQ and STBFL, proceeded to stomp 2 survivors into the hook stage within the first minute or so, rescue one, he runs and gets tunneled a few seconds later, rage quits, guy on hook still just suicides, i stop playing and let go of the controls. guy knows i'v stopped caring and sits spamming bottles at me, other guy comes to "help" and he immediately proceeds to down me then hook me when the guy tries to heal me for points, clown was clearly in this to be a bully, i suicide, this angers clown he proceeds to try bully last guy but he to gives up and idles.

"fair matchmaking."

again and again if ranks are no longer an indicator of how good someone is theres clearly been some sort of mis-con-bloody-ception since the top rank killers are mopping the floor with all the new easier targets while lesser rank killers are struggling due to the sheer skill of survivors that are usually also high ranked.

For me, it’s been very obvious that the players I play against have been affected by the previous game’s outcome:

Killer: Last night I played as The Clown, which I rarely do well as, and the survivors I went against had maybe one perk and were obviously new. I did very well against them. After about 2 games like that (still as The Clown), I noticed that the survivors I was going against started getting better and having better perks.

Survivor: As a formerly red rank survivor (since rank doesn’t matter anymore) my first few survivor games were against baby killers. One perk (if any at all) and very obviously new to the game. After a few games like that, I started going against killers who had P3 skins and who very obviously knew how to play that killer.

So, to me, it seems as if the matchmaking is working much better than it was. Like others have said, it looks like it just takes a few matches to get it figured out.

I played 3 more games. In one we were all red rank including the killer, in the other 2 a mix. The last one is an example 2 red rank and 2 rank 18 against killer rank 2. And a rank 18 who died with 5k of point complains and is understandable. The old system had its flaws, but the rank and time played say something about the player's skill. Now it's worse.

Honestly this statement feels closer to the truth of what we've been observing.

Just because the devs tell people its some finely tuned mmr system doesn't mean that's what they're actually doing.

If we were being brutally honest the fact that they have to create the current monstrosity of an mmr looks at best like a social experiment, at worse a bunch of people put something together that they're not sure what its doing.

Guess there would be less questions and concerns if people could see their mmr. Now they dont know whether system works bad or they have low mmr.

The people who would come to a website and post on a forum about this game may have played more than ten games since MMR, but it seems likely the average DBD-er may not have. It seems possible even though we have very well established positions within the MMR system, if 3/4 of the queue does not, we still aren't going to be getting good matches yet. It is also possible of course, that this thing isn't WAD.

It is literally the first day guys. >.<

As I just said on another post. I played my 10 games to get my baseline MMR. Every single one of them I was going up against killers ranked between 15 and 20. I know those ranks aren't supposed to make a difference. But as a survivor that hovers around rank 10 I escaped every single one of those matches.

After escaping 10 straight matches versus killers that are basically newbs now I'm only getting paired with killers between ranks 1 and 5. My results are the opposite. This is ridiculous. How is the MMR supposed to give any sort of objective rank to me when it only paired me with newbie killers during the 10 game evaluation? It's boring to only play against killers that present little challenge to me, but it's also boring to play only against killers for whom I present no challenge.

I'm really hoping something changes. I don't need to be playing against killers between ranks 15 and 20 every game any more than I need to be playing against rank 1 to 5 killers every game. Yet about 18 games after the MMR started I haven't seen a single killer between ranks 6 and 14.

As someone who likes to use logic and data to help form an opinion...

If MMR has been running for weeks to gather and calculate this new hidden rank system, why is a 10 game requirement for things to balance out? Assuming we do need 10 games,.... I have obviously passed the 10 game mark....

Secondly, I played more than 10 games yesterday and it was noobs in every lobby, some with less than 50 hours. These players dont even know what all their perks do. Had multiple huntresses who could not hit me entire match and a Hag who didnt set down a single trap. Had survs who were trying to heal me while PLague infection was climbing to broken,... I was like ######### are these people doing?

Either the data we have been provided is incorrect or the system, is not functioning correctly.