New players should absolutely NOT be matched with Vets. New player base will be kill..

Well, blame the devs for all things that you don't like like everyone else then. I love the new MMR. I'm starting to get actual matches around my level. You don't like what I have to say then there is nothing else for me to say. It was great talking to you. You take care.

to get multiple purple perks they have obviously played more than the brown rank would suggest. congrats you learned you are just average like most humans, and thats ok

Your loadout has nothing to do with your skill and the perks that were used in that screenshot can be unlocked in a few hours of playtime.

Playing the game (and therefore "having perks") doesn't necessarily equals "being skilled". I see people with several hundred hours of playtime and most perks unlocked that play like potatoes that never even managed to reach Rank 10 on any role. Then I see players with 15 hours of playtime that already reached Rank 1 with no perks whatsoever.

Not entirely.

Survivors share their MMR. Meaning you won't get easier killer if you play a survivor for the first time. This is because Survivors are basically only skins.

Killers will have each their own MMR but as far as I understood, you will put against easier survivor (lower MMR) if you play a killer for the first time or not playing that killer often. But easier doesn't automatically mean you get close to lowest possible MMR. Let's say someone having 1k hours in the game as solely playing killer (and doing pretty good at it) and a new killer is coming out which the person jumps on trying. That person will get easier opponents - but not newbies. That makes no sense and it's nowhere stated as far as I read. It only says easier. Let's use the ranks for an easy example: Playing Huntress on a Rank 1 level but never played Nurse. With Nurse you have now Rank 8-10 opponents the first match.

The paragraph where they mentioned that can be misleading but I don't read anywhere that they say that they will put newbies against someone when they playing a killer for the first time (if the killer has a high MMR on any other killer). I mean it wouldn't make sense to begin with as there is the factor basic gameknowledge to take into consideration. Noone playing at high skill level would play at newbie lv with a killer the never tried before. They still would do pretty decent even if they play the new killer without their power and only as a m1-killer, because they know how to loop, how to apply pressure, etc.

There is one instance where you would get legitimately matched with a rank 20 and that would be if someone was at a high MMR and then stopped playing. Their rank would go down, the MMR not though.

This said, the system is nowhere close to have enough knowledge thus far, that's why unfair matchmaking is happening. This should resolve itself the next weeks IF they got a decently programmed MMR-System.

That reach.

I don't see a voice of reason fyi.

I see a biased take that looks to reinforce their own belief system.

But yea, lets call it starting a fight.

That's the beauty of discussions. You can form whatever opinion you want, whether it be right or wrong. I'm far from biased. I've met biased people. You can't reason with them no matter what. I've talked to a few killers and survivors who I've agreed with and disagreed with. You are welcome to think whatever you like but when you insinuate, that causes conflict and I stay out of it.

Shilling? Eh, who cares. I think I'm better off just blocking you.

Sorry I may have misunderstood and you may be right but I seen this in the new matchmaking description:

"The next phase that you will notice goes live with the upcoming mid-chapter update: We are no longer allowing Killers to switch their character while searching for a match, or once in a lobby (excluding Custom Matches). This will allow the new Matchmaking System to track player skill with each killer individually and match them against more appropriately skilled opponents based on their killer selection."

That is where my confusion is maybe because with each MMR being based on each individual killer and not the overall player then wouldn't a lets say Rank 1 killer main trying a new killer get the lowest MMR rating for the individual killer and get placed in a pool possibly with new survivors?

I mean I totally agree with everything you say but if we are ignore ranks now and only going based on MMR then for example lets say I dominate and always 4k with Hag and Myers and legion. I play for maybe 400 hours give or take and now I change killers to Trapper. The MMR system might say wow he has no knowledge of this killer and yes give me easier opponents but they could also pair me with newbies who just started survivor because the system is looking at just the Trappers MMR and not the overall knowledge as a killer.

I agree though it is still to early to tell but I am hoping for the best.

Killers might as well get used to tough games..

Yes, each individual killer will have their own MMR. I do hope though that they will take e.g. your highest MMR of all killer into consideration when you try out a new one and just lower that by some rating. Or maybe an average rating over your most often played killer.

In an optimal instance, someone who is skilled with a specific killer has a MMR related to that. Currently it seems to be ######### up because the playerbase need to land at their destined MMR. It was said they collected enough data beforehand but with so many threads related to this subject and me watching streamer to get not matched with equally skilled opponents/teammates (consistently - not just ~10 Matches) it is kinda hard to believe.

I guess all we can do is wait for the system to learn.

Additionally it was said in the Q&A that they will change the matching algorithm so 4000h player won't be matched with 20h player, as it's happening a lot apparenlty atm.

All in all they should have been a little bit more informative about this MMR system beforehand as people are not satisfied right now - which is totally understandable. The system might be good but it feels like they should have collected more data beforehand as it doesn't seem it was sufficient.

rip new players.

i hope it starts working right because when your play killer and you feel bad for winning something wrong

same with survivor if you get out with your 3 other teammate and then feel bad something wrong.

that nice but this needs a fix or something or were never get new player to stay.

I believe they're doing a change with something in mind to help newer players now.

What I want to know is, why, before Tuesday, I was consistently matching against people who seemed to be of relatively similar skill to me, and since then, every single game has looked like this or worse.

I have a grand total of 25 hours logged on this game, and the bulk of that is on Survivor because I have friends who got me into the game. I have probably less than ten killer games in total. And, frankly, I'm probably done with it until something gets adjusted, because not a single killer match has actually been particularly fun since the matchmaking changes went live.

I'm getting sick of being matched against sweaty red ranks as killer. It's really ruining my fun. I don't want to go up against people who just constantly gen rush or go around slamming pallets because they have no ability to do anything else.

lol I would not blame her for quitting as well. Also it was not easy playing that many matches but I did it hoping it would help but still having horrible matches to the point instead of getting mad I will just take a break. I am hoping in time the high rank players will once again rank enough to get themselves to the spot where they are once again playing against people their level.

I also overlooked the fact they said they have been collecting data prior to this release. I guess not much data if this is still an issue after several games.

I hope you are your sister have better luck than I am having because I was almost rank 9 but lost so many ranks trying to save new players and getting killed on my first hook. I know rank doesnt matter but in the end it does because it in the very least tells us this person has played the game and has more knowledge than this other player.

Goodluck to you and your sister and I hope when she does play with you that you both get killers that are more her level. =)

Thanks! I really hope it will work out :)

I am amazed you pulled through the matches to be honest. I probably would have given up (or went on killer). But I am not enjoying survivor really unless I have someone to talk to while playing.

Guess your patience also was there because you haven't read about the data collection beforehand.

Good luck to you too that it will be better for you after a break!

Btw it is nice to see such friendly posts on the forum :D

I genuinely think this MMR system was designed without any context for DbD. Like they had someone with zero knowledge of DbD design this. Two rank 20s and two rank 2s may very well be an ideal match from an MMR standpoint, but that's absolutely horrendous for an actual game of DbD. This isn't fun. The games are horrible.

That sucks, that the games were not improving for you.

Removing to see the rank might be an option, but in the end people can still ask in endgamechat which rank they were. Additional to that they could check the playtime if profile is not set to private or playtime is hidden (I think this is possible on other platforms than steam too but it's only a guess). But you are right, that seeing the rank in endscreen can set people off with no effort. And to be fair, in 99% of the cases I would guess that a Rank 1 won't be a good match with Rank 12-20. One exception would be my bf for exampe who played on a high skill lv on both sides and hasn't touched the game in ages (aka deranked)..if he were to pick it up again he probably would have no problem to play again at that level. But I doubt there are too many of such cases.

I actually am only concerned about the killer rank 1 achievement in the future as I collected quite some recently and thought I wanna go for that as well finally. If they remove the emblemsystem it might be unachievable. I might have to start the grind now. I play killer normally quite casually as I am not playing too much. Anyway, this is only a selfish thought I had while reading ^^

Back to topic, I really do hope that they will fix this too. Far too many people are not getting matched properly. I read also some posts were the system seems to work, but they seem to be more rare than mismatching. One could say that those who are getting matched properly have no reason to come to the forum and complain, but well...doesn't really excuse that many mismatches either way.

I do not blame you for having some selfish thoughts. I mean heck why not take advantage while the game is at its most broken point to get some of the killer achievements done. Do what you can while you can. =)

I also would like to say I did finally have one match that was a little more balanced but also made me super mad. This time they went the complete other way. They placed me with a entire team of players who no joke were throwing pallets down just because they could with no killer around. They could not do a gen to save our lives. I mean no joke they popped my gen so many times my 90% gen ended up back to half.

Then on my last gen a new survivor slowly crawls over to the gen jumps on it pops it 3 times then leaves ONLY as I leave. I think okay I will let the killer chase me so they can finish it. That was a joke because I lost the killer then go back to the gen and no one is there so I start working on it and out comes that same survivor. He was hiding in a locker the whole time. He comes out jumps on the gen and pops it 2 more times.

I had enough and alerted the killer I am her and let them kill me.

This has been how my matches have been going except that one RARE match the killer was rank 14 but then once again back to rank 1 killers. I guess out of almost 40 matches now I should be happy I got a average rank killer around my skill finally. lol

I do have hope but it is dieing slowly and that last game has broke me. I went back to Animal Crossing and Xenoblade Chronicles until this MMR system gets these high skilled players away from me. lol

Good luck on getting your achievements done while you can and heck I say take full advantage of it. =) Also I feel dumb because I assumed you were a guy but guessing you are a girl because you mentioned your b/f. lol YAY a girl player. =) I hope I am not offending you and I am wrong I mean I guess I mentioned my husband but I am not a girl so anything is possible rofl....Just did not think many girls play this game lol

This is what happens when a popular narrative that get spread like "rank doesn't matter" becomes reality. I am not exactly sure where this narrative came from, but I assume it came from popular content creators such as ScottJund or Ohtofu or other false sources. A rank 1 is not the same as rank 20(a new player). If a survivor understands looping and plays really well, but he is rank 15, It is most likely that the player is a rank 1 who is purposely deranking and smurfing to avoid facing better players. Rank systems do not account for smurfing. The old matchmaking was way better.

MMR matchmaking can work, but you need to define skill in the game properly.

Killer skill can be define by 3 metrics:

1-How effectively you use her power(This is very difficult to measure due to various killer powers)

2-The ability to kill survivor of equal skill(Rank)

3-The ability for killer to acquire hits(Injuries) rapidly and generate momentium to acquire hook pressure/kill pressure. This is very important as it disincentives the killer from camping and encourages the killer to go for chases and win tiles.

Survivor skill can be broken up into 3 metrics

1- How fast they complete generators, If they fail, how close were they to winning?

2- Fewest possible hook states. Dying is obviously game-losing for survivor.

3- Ability to win chase(Current Chaser emblem).

DBD in my opinion never had a problem with matchmaking. The biggest problem it always had is defining skill and defining winning and losing. Ideally, the emblem system should reflect skill and than you can use rank for matchmaking purposes. A perfect match for survivor is when the survivor complete all generators, has zero hooks and win every chase and a perfect killer game is one where the killer uses their power to the best of their ability, kills all 4 survivors and acquires hits in rapid succession which eventually leads to hooks. Most games lead into the shades of grey and often they are not completely one sided. you can try to account for its gradation, but most games have clear defined goals called a win condition. For example, a popular DBD win-condition is that 1 kill is a loss for killer, 2 is draw and 3-4 is a win for killer. Personally I don't really believe in draws as most games either try to avoid or disallow draws, but a win condition can be anything at the end of the day.