What is wrong with this game? New player
Hi! I just played my first two games in life in dead by daylight (one as killer, one as survivor) - as killer i played against red and purple ranks, as survivor i played against 1 rank killer - is it normal? I didn't have any fun because i literally couldn't do nothing.
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Ranks don't mean anything, It's a soft indicator of someone's skill. You just need to play a lot to get red ranks, there's red ranks that play poorly but are only up there because they play so much and there's low rank players that are really good but don't play often cause the rank reset every month. (13th)
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Also the new MMR system just released few days ago. Give it some time before it finds more fair games for you and every killer had their own separate MMR.
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If rank doesn't mean anything why we couldn't do even single gen because killer was killing as after few seconds, and why i couldn't even hit survivor as killer? It doesn't look like they would have skill like someone who is playing first game in life...
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If you're new to the game, the best thing I can suggest to you is to get a refund.
Don't get me wrong, I love Dead by Daylight, and I hope one day it's in a state where I can recommend it to others...but as of now, ESPECIALLY for new players, it's just not a fun experience. Thanks to BHVR's broken MMR (and it's broken, cram it up your rectal cavity with this "it's evening out" crap) you'll be having precisely zero fun no matter which side you play, as a new player.
Pair that with the fact that the game is just plain inaccessible for new players. The investment required in both time and money to get to even a half decent spot in this game is FAR too much. It's an excessive grind.
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I think it's excessive to recommend this after 3 days of a new MMR system. In theory, if the system works, they might get stomped for a few games (which was normal before too, let's be serious), and then they'll start 1) learning how to play and 2) getting matched against worse killers. If that doesn't happen agreed, the algorithm probably needs work.
Could it be improved to better take care of new players? Sure, probably. In theory, though, if the algorithm works, the experience will just get better and better for everyone as time goes on.
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I'm sorry that you had this experience, it's obviously not the type of experience that we want our players to have in their early games.
The new MMR system went live a few days ago, it's obviously going to take some time to get the system to where we want it to be - but I appreciate that's not what people want to hear right now.
All I can do is assure you the Developers are receiving this feedback and that I sincerely hope these mismatched games will soon be a thing of the past.
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The new MMR system works well according to DEV. More time will not change anything because it is poorly designed. Clearly, the system brings together inexperienced people with veterans. The evidence is overwhelming, and the poor moderators have to deal with our anger, increased by lies and misinformation.
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If your a new survivor I reccomend going on the DBD discord and find an SFW that can help carry you and make you learn quick. As for killer I'd wait a few months until mmr is properly implemented.
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I want to say that whole just playing a lot makes you red rank is crap. You also have to be able to win chases and sacrifice or save and do objectives. People make it sound like playing X amount of hours gets you red rank and it is not true. I have played at least 2 hours a day almost everyday and never got further than Rank 9 survivor and Rank 15 killer.
Rank DOES have something to do with skill because you do not get to rank 1 as killer not downing one survivor or losing chases. You do not get to rank 1 survivor getting down and dieing first hook but have 1000 played hours. Rank=Skill plan and simple.
Yes It also means they play alot but it also means they know what they must do to be able to pip and gain rank.
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I posted earlier in this thread and since it was moderated and I wasn't warned I'm assuming it wasn't against the rules.
I suggested that the original poster refund the game if they are still able to, and I said that the game was designed to be frustrating, by the devs' own admission. I assume this is the reason why my comment was deleted, but I'll provide context / proof for my statement.
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I agree; before it was easy for a new player to join and learn the ropes now it’s just to much unessesary stress, games are not supposed to be stressfull; or I would suggest finding some friends to play with ; I play solo or with one other person but I’ve played for 3 years so I’m used to the crap
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So can anyone tell me how this is supposed to be a fair matchmaking system?
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If you do insist on playing killer I strongly recommend you main Freddy. He is by far the easiest top tier killer to master. You should be able to get good with him pretty quick :)
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It is somewhat true; before geting red rank was a lot harder then now; you just have to play & play to rank up, & rank reset don’t push you back that much no more,
I can guarantee half these red rank killers are they either from farming swfs who think there top tier or they are playing potatoes,
I either get pairs with potatoes or potatoes, Survivors that are red rank are laughable I have had so many games where nothing is getting done and I think I’m playing with rank 20 end game screen my team is rank 1s n 2s LOL even when I watch a few streamers play survivors total potatoe team mates
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Rank means alot if you are a new rank 20 killer or survivor you should get people around 17-20 because otherwise it is most certain they will be way more experienced than you. No matter how long you quit dbd rank don't go above 16 for old players.
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New MMR system is broken because it gets 3 rank 20s lets say skill level 100 then gets 1 rank 1-10 survivor skill level 2000 then a killer skill level 2000 my guess is game calculates overall skill level of survivors 100+100+100+2000=2300 and killer is 2000 so here you go a fair game.
Even if my theory is not correct this is what is happening now. Super low levels with 1 high level among them and a high level killer.
If you play killer it is either way too noobie teams or too good teams.
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It's not just the MMR system. Even without that, the game is straight up inaccessible to new players.
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So basically, you guys flat out lied to us that MMR tracking was being done in the background prior to it's release to prepare for the MMR?
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What people mean when rank means nothing is that it's just mean you played alot. There's tons of people with alot of hours in this game that are still bad but since it's easy to rank up they are at the same rank as some god streamer that can loop for 5 gens.
Of course even the worst of the red rank would still do better than a new rank 15 player but once you play enough like a hundred hours those red ranks shouldn't be a problem.
But otherwise yeah i agree. I get tons of games where im the only one escaping because my teammate are yellow ranks vs a r1 killer. That sucks for me and for them. I also have games with solo full commando squad against a r17 killer.
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I think everyone can agree right now that if you're new to DbD or have recently started, you really might want to find something else to play until the system stabilizes.
As a new player you already have a tremendous grind for perks ahead of you, this new system makes that grind incredibly frustrating for new players facing experienced players.
Honestly, play something else until this mmr system is fixed. Otherwise you're going to have a bad time.
Consider this your chance to turn back.
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The wiggle/struggle mechanics are ruining my keyboard and giving me hand cramps I’m new to PC and I don’t understand why do we have to struggle in real life to struggle in game, it makes no sense no offense, please change it or at least allow macros only for wiggle/struggle purposes. Thanks
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That would require patience by many players......LOL
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A person shouldn't have to wait a few MONTHS in order to properly play a new game they just bought. Like I'm not mad at you, but, I'm mad at the fact that that's even a thing. What if in a few months when it hypothetically settles it turns out they don't like the actual game itself, not just the currently borked matchmaking? Too late for a refund, that's for damn sure.
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As a player with over 3k hours over both survivor and killer, my honest advise to any new player is to get a refund.
At this point in time, i can't recommend this game to anyone.
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Chill, bruh. There is only 1 flaw I can see with the MMR atm. Their system has in fact done its research. But I'm sure it counts wins vs losses. So you die, you lose. But the main flaw...
DCing. People in higher ranks DC because the killer outsmarted them or does something scummy which is an automatic loss. So with all the DCing, their ranks are low. I mean come on. You DC 2 matches and lose nothing and then low level killers have to go against you. The MMR is being manipulated by DCers. If my Higher DC Penalties were put into place, this wouldnt happen. Instead, Devs got rid of them again so people DC a lot causing their MMR to be in the toilet. It isnt fair to new players. So I use this as my big point for making them higher.
Devs, please. Make a system where you DC and you lose a whole rank and take a 30 penalty for first offense. If they DC again, make it an hour, then ban them if they continue. DCing is a problem and is making things not fun at all. Address it, please. Idc how but taking penalties is not the answer. Just causes you more problems.
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As a rank 1 survivor, I’ve been placed against rank 20 killers and I feel SO bad. I went against one who didn’t even have any perks ):
It’s concerning because, like you experienced, new players will be deterred if they go against veterans and get stomped every time. It’s not fair or fun and I really hope that the ranking system improves. I’m really sorry you & all the newcomers have to deal with this problem.
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your new to the game getting red rank on both sides that new MMR working backwards normal for now.
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It's not working backwards. I've been getting high ranks as a high rank now. The red players who are playing against noobs are career DCers. People who DC get that counted as a loss. The more you play, the better players you get unless you are new and red players who always DC against people pop up. Give it a bit to settle in and the only red players playing new people will be only the DCers
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Ignore this. I tried to post it ages ago. Thought it failed
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They broke their own matchmaking system. Sorry, friend.
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your saying every killer showing screenshots ranting about facing low rank player are DCing so they can face these low rank players? are you sure about what your saying because that makes no sense.
if that was true they wouldn't be ranting.
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At this point bhvr killing the new player base.
New players have no idea about MMR, etc.
No fun, dying in 5 seconds against red rank killers and eventually quit the game.
Same when they play as killers.
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No. That second 1 I revised so please ignore that.
But my point is those players DC'ed a lot CAUSING them to go against low players. It's their own fault based on the fact that they constantly DC against any player even REMOTELY better then they are.
Granted SOME players do it for the easy kills or easy survives so they can get them easy blood points but those raging about it are obviously those who rage quit games cause they cant win
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I am pretty new to the game (just shy of 50 hours) and I have to say the MMR as killer was pretty harsh. Today was my first day trying killer and I played maybe 5-6 matches. All of my games had at least 2 if not 3 red ranks (one game had 2 lvl 1s) with the final slots taken up by purple with the exception of 1 green.
In one game, and only one, I had sacrifices (surprising to me, two in the same game, but I suspect that was them getting sloppy at the end). The rest, I got anywhere from 1 to maybe 4 hooks before they escaped and barely managed one hook in the last game.
Am I understanding this correctly that we will theoretically need to play multiple games, possibly up to 30, with each killer (assuming you want to play a specific killer) before we matches that align with our skill? That seems like something only vets that love the game will be willing to put up with doing. Killer lobby wait times are already longer and getting repeatedly thrown into games with entire teams who are so obviously beyond your knowledge and resources in the game is meh at best. It also slows down player progression as killers will likely gain less bloodpoints meaning less perks and add ons that they can get/try. I can say that I probably won't invest more time into learning Spirit who I was looking forward to playing more, much less bother with the rest of the roster of killers sitting out there.
I get the match making system is new and there are likely issues to iron out, but I do think some kind of 'hot fix' needs to come out sooner rather than later.
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they are some that facing low rank not dcing like me i play a lot of killer but i'm rank 7 but i either face rank 1 survivor or raank 20 when i face 20s i feel bad after.
sometime if the match to easy i let all go if they don't kill them self on first hook.
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Well that could be due to some of those rank 20's have played a match and won so they have a 100% win rate placing them with you or higher. It's all gonna be based on percentages
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Sorry to hear that, currently this is why I don't suggest this game to my friends, the grind is too much and the mmr is really not fair to new players.
Wish there was something like double bp for like 2 weeks every now and then at least for new players.
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I can understand that and refunding may be the best option if mmr doesn't get fixed :/
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I really glad that a few of my friends started playing before the MMR started because there is no way I could recommend the game in it's current state.
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MMR system totally works btw.
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the new mmr is more like trial by fire. Red rank survivor and killer. The problem as always been the whole idea of two living and two dying as balanced while trying to cater to every ones fun. I know survivors don't care if I have fun as killer and never expect the killer to care about my fun as survivor but lets turn matchmaking into a more fair system I use very loosely cause you never know if you get pair with three rank 20 survivors vs a killer with more then two brain cell. Blueprint makes it easier to make and break a game but it's more then I know but my eye tests are hardly ever wrong. Not looking to ruffle feathers just being outspoken critic who cares to see the game in a great state not just acceptable.
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We were told that you guys are aware that some aspects of the new MMR system is not working properly. Hopefully this gets fixed ASAP because it’s pushing a lot of players away.
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This is hardly true but just something the devs said which does not reflect on the actual events that are currently taking place in the game. I am a rank 1 veteran with thousands of hours in the game scattered across all platforms, but mostly PC. Despite having plaid dozens upon dozens of games already with the new mmr system, I still get paired against low skilled players who get obliterated.
Rank does matter, always has. There are red ranks who play bad, but they still understand the game better than green or grey ranks. This whole lie that rank does not hold any value in regards of skill is just absolute nonesense. As someone who has played this game since it came out, I know this far too well. Devs can say whatever they want in defense of their new system, but it ain't fooling any old players.
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