General Discussions
General Discussions
My Tier List
Pretty self explanatory. I'd be happy to debate it. Left to right is power. I could potentially see a few moving but I think this is pretty accurate.
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Why is billy behind Ghostface.
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I think Ghost Face has better Downing potential and is great at stealth, I did consider putting billy in A tier over him though.
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Overall nice job! I like the tier list and think its the most accurate representation of killers. I still think Hag is S tier cause her traps literally do teleport her without a stun like nurse. Nurse is top of S tier because she can avoid loops while spirit is next because of mind game potential. Freddy is bottom of S tier with the worst teleport ability. Overall though I honestly agree with this list.
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My tier list but based on the place of origin of the killers.
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I mean i main ghostface and tbh billy has better downing potentinal with his one hit down. But i do agree he has best stealth
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😂🤣😂🤣 That demo tier
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Hag is an easy S tier mostly due right now to the shock factor, except for this rift, I have probably gone against 3 hags, total, I have played close to 1000 survivor matches, No one knows how to play against a good hag very well and she just dominates most of the time when in the hands of a competent player
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Pretty accurate. But Pyramid Head is from Silent Hill which is in the US, so its a little off.
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Thank you! I could see Hag being S, I placed her in high A because she takes some setup. I put Nurse at the end because of how punishing making a mistake with her is, I could see putting her at the top though.
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I think she could be in S, I put Her in high A because of the setup it takes. I should have put her over Oni for sure though.
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Deathslinger above Legion as usual. I don't get it.
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Deathslinger can actually down with his power, and can do it from range
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He can end chases faster and range gives him a significant advantage.
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I genuinely dont see why Freddy and Bubba are so high. Everyone likes to claim that Freddy is the one of the best killers in the game, but honestly he's just the easiest of the strong killers. And Bubba is still kind of weak, he cannot do anything about windows and even the most pallet-eating chases don't compete with gen speeds
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the explanation is simple. Deathslinger has more to offer in the chase rather than map control like legion. The killer current meta is how fast you can end a chase not map control. Though legion can be strong in the right hands deathslingers range and ability to ignore pallets and loops gives him the superior edge.
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Bubba can get pallets out the way faster and a one shot if you have proper spacing, It also kills a group of any type, meaning if he predicts your going for the unhook your going down and the other person is to if you follow through with it. Freddys is in S because his snares gut loops and his gen teleport is an easy way to traverse the map and get people off of objectives. No other killer can boast the ability to be great in a chase, have good map control, AND good map traversal. Combine that with great addons that allow for stuff like dream pallets and he was a very easy S.
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Aren't legion from Norway? Also, deathslinger is Irish.
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How do people still think Deathslinger is bad, it's honestly worrying at this point. He's pretty firmly A tier, with certain extremely high skill names in the community putting him top 5 killers in the game (zubat, for example). Meanwhile Legion is easy bottom 5 killer, especially with the Bubba rework.
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I think Ghost Faces marking and ability to get cheeky hits with shroud puts him slightly over billy, I do see where your coming from though. I also main Ghost Face.
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I think ghostface, wraith, and doctor are a lot better then you give them credit for.
Doctor can find and start a chase faster then any other killer. Not to mention he is anti loop.
Wraith is strong when you injure veryone with anti healing perks. And then sneak up and down unsuspecting survivors.
Same thing with ghostface, use his stealth to get free hits and keep everyone injured.
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Hag swap Freddy
Myers swap DS
PH swap Billy.
Done.
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Your absolutely right, but I think all killers above them just are better. Wraith requires addons and takes setup to pull that off, plus however many perk slots you decide to give up to go anti heal. As a Ghost Face main I think hes great but is just outclassed by the ones above. And Doc just takes tons of setup, I probably should have put him after Death Slinger though.
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I disagree. While I could definitely see hag being S tier theres no way Freddy isn't a top tier imo, he has good chase potential with snares and dream pallets, and good map traversal and control with gens. While I could see Myers possibly being B I hold firm that DS is B, he can end a chase insanely early if you can hit shots, his only problem is lack of map control and traversal. And while I could see Billy being A I think PH deserves the spot as well, he can hook instantly, not waste time with 3rd hook if the surv is tormented, and his ranged attack is an amazing mind game tool and a good way force pallets. Basically I'm fine with you moving some killers up but have problems with you moving some down.
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Ormond is in Canada, and Deathslinger is of Irish descent, he does not come from ireland.
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wraith is japanese i thought
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legion as good as shape? demo and plague as good as hillbilly? not a chance
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i can understand everything but the great Freddy addons. Dream pallets are so much weaker than snares. Fun, to be sure, but weaker. One of my favourite things to do against dream pallets is run around throwing them while I'm not in a chase or on a gen, I'm almost never wrong about what's real and what's an illusion.
I also never feel that pressured against Freddy in a chase. The maps are designed in such a way they you can throw pallets and run to the next one while he traps it. Its the same problem as Bubba - if the team is holding m1, there's nothing you can do. Sure, that can be said about every killer, but at least Nurse and Spirit make it significantly harder than Freddy does just because you cannot loop them
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I was talking more like you trap the loop in advance, and I can't tell you the amount of loops I've made survivors prematurely ditch because of snares. With addons I was just using dream pallets as an example, I've gotten tons of hits on survivors not paying attention. But his other addons can also be a terror.
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Legion can snowball fast. Demo can force loops to be ditched and have instant access to the entire map if you set up the portals right. Plague can force survivors into remaining broken for the entire match or they give her the strongest ranged attack in the game.
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the word "if" heavily affects how good they are legion and plague you can win by just not respecting their power and if you have no mither on its a hard counter demo in practice sounds good but hes worse than oni and hillbilly in every way just because he doesnt have a 1 hit attack and has nothing on these killers
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I'm very confused how you can not respect plagues power. No mither is the only perk in the game that actually makes survivors worse, it doesn't matter if it counters plague and legion because anyone running no mither is already at a massive disadvantage. And demo is a setup killer, just like hag or trapper, playing them right does make them better I agree. He is worse than oni and hillbilly but not in every way, a good portal setup can give way better map control and traversal. He can force pallets in a way billy can't, is billy better? Yes but not extremely better.
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You know, trapping the loop in advance can be a fairly strong play. I guess it's easy to forget that Freddy actually does have a decent skill ceiling that good players can take advantage of
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Yeah, most people just assume hes braindead simple. Hes got a few nuances that good players can take advantage of.
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Of course he is, Deathslinger is actually able to down survivors quickly and can do it from different ranges. Legions power is literally only being able to run fast and see survivors auras when they hit other survivors, which also doesn't even down them😗
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Exactly, couldn't have said it better.
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it still just makes them m1 killers plus always having acces to dead hard and all the bonus perks you can run with it. Demo is better than trap just based on his shred but his portals take along time to use and can be destroyed without items he cant be compared to hag.billy can force pallets down just as easily as demo can but billy can 1 hit
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I don't know about the Clown being a true D tier killer.
I have great respect for The Clown, especially clown mains at red-ranks. A skilled clown can end any chase/loop in less than 15 seconds.
However, in my case and ever since 4.1.0 , every time I get hit with his tonic, my fps drops by 10-15 fps. If he throws a couple in a sequence in the middle of our chase, my fps counter drops to mid 10s on certain maps.
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For a long time, many people believed her to be full-on African, but her Archive has finally proven that she is African American.
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Dude, deathslinger is garbage. If you hit secy or really long range shots with him, sometimes it doesn't mattet. It's never a guaranteed down. Huntress does everything deathslinger does but 10x better. It is said that deathslinger is the blue balling version of huntress
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I never said he was GOOD, just better than Legion lol
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Demo still has better map traversal, and unlike hag he can teleport at any time. Billy is undeniably better in a chase, but demo has other advantages to close the gap a little. I'm not arguing that demo is better than billy.
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Nurse is still better than spirit because Nurse basically destroys every single safe point for a survivor in seconds while spirit has to use her power and make a right read, with nurse you can easily make a decision. Another thing to point out is that no matter what your opinion is, leatherface is not better than billy for a simple reason, billy has so much more map pressure and downing potential. Pyramid Head is way to high on the list definitely not better than huntress or billy, maybe behind or in front of Deathslinger. Billy is also better than oni because oni starts the game as just and m1 killer until he gets his power, but billy has his power forever and the heating mechanic has never affected me or anybody i have seen play him. Hag is way to high, probably behind huntress and leather face is behind maybe plague.
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Spirit is over Nurse because of how punishing making a mistake with Nurse is. Oni has some of the best map control, Traversal, and chase potential in the game, he stays. PH can ignore meta perks, save time with cages and judgment, and punishment allows for amazing mind games and cheeky hits, he is easily above billy and huntress. Leatherface has more control over his chainsaw meaning he can get downs way more frequently, hes also way better at attacking groups. Hag has an iron grip on the trial if you setup right, people have made arguments for her being S.
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teleporting to where no one is isnt much of an advantage. hag has addons to allow her to tele instantly at any time. a good billy is miles ahead of the best demo they arent even close the skill cap is just too much billy does everything better not to mention demo's addons are notoriously bad
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You can get around that easily by just placing a second portal. You also can hold shred for as long as you want, can't do that with Billy. Billy is still better, but not by tons imo. Demo has better map traversal, Billy has better downing potential.
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nonesense billy has the best map traversal in the game on most maps. why would you want to hold shred? doesnt it slow you down? only bad billy players would want to hold it for more than a few seconds. not to mention being able to have his teleport power taken away by an itemless survivor in a couple seconds
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My thoughts
We assume that we talk here about potential, so no difficulty involed and we assume the killer who playes a certain killer is an absulte master with it.
Everything is debateable, but not Nurse. Nurse is 100% #1, not even close 2nd.
Billy is for sure still A Tier, nothing to crazy that has been changed but some of his addons really.
Hag A Tier is debateable. She can be really strong, but try to play against a 4man squad on coms. You get destroyed. Really depends who you verse, but against the best, maybe even OoO you wont stand a chance with her, no matter how good you place your traps.
Demogorgon and Plage are a little bit 2 high, i would swap them with Myers.
Other then that its a good list.
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Nah, demogorgon can get to places faster and is undetectable, billy is so loud the entire map can hear him. Holding shred can force survivors into bad situations. Say a survivor is going in a line to a pallet, hold shred and they have to move or get hit, now they're in a worse position you cancel shred and hit them anyway. Rat liver is so good because it makes demo move faster while shredding, with it being a brown it might as well be base kit. And once again, placing 2 portals basically ensures that a survivor cannot cleanse a portal without getting hit or needing a second person. Factor in how Billy can be useless on some maps and he gets held back.
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Thanks for your thoughts, I appreciate it. The list was made with mastery in mind, but also with human error. Nurse is slightly lower than Spirit and Freddy because of how punishing making a mistake is. Billy is High B because his addons suck and hes practically worthless on some maps. Hag can be S tier if survivors aren't on comms but shes high A because of comms, I don't see enough comm survs to make it massively affect her tier. Demo has good map traversal and decent chase potential, so thats why hes B. Plague is B because if done right survs are stuck between giving you the best ranged attack in the game or are forever broken, shes held back by setup and gen rushing.
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It is true that mistakes can be very punishing as nurse, but i had in mind that a really good nurse is simply not making those mistakes which you experience against those really good nurse players every once in a while.
Billy is like i said still more or less the same and a strong billy (i faced a couple) shows his potential and how good he can be in the right hands.
Against Plague its really easy to win. Just dont cleanse, and if you do use a fountain thats in an era where Plague gets no benefit. She is kinda like the Legion over time, gets easy first hits, but then she has no real power. It all comes down how survivors play and if they play correct, she is relativly hopeless. She might be even one of the worst killer imho.
Demo for me personally struggels to much at many tiles and his ability to port is compared to freddys port a bit weak.
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