I Did Bones. You Need A New Excuse.

The advice would be "memorize all totem spots and do the critical ones" (close to a gate or well hidden)

why do they need excuse? This is a risky perk which might not even be useful. You say it creates bad habits. How do you know? Mb on the contrary you learn to play 90% of game without using 4th perk? Do you think the game always ends in the late and killer never wins early?

totem can be destroyed in 10-15 sec that often happes with other totems such as ruin etc. It activates only in the end. So it mus be rewardig.

what are you asking? You want it be deactivated most of the game and always be destroyed in the late game? If you dont like NOED then open gates and leave, try to hide and so on.

Why do we need an excuse for NOED? Why do we need to counter NOED? It's a terrible perk. You get 1 or 2 instadowns after all the gens are done. YOU might die to NOED, but your team probably didn't. And if the entire team dies to NOED, they didn't die because of NOED.

@vector "learn to play before talking" can be regarded as implicit insult. If you don't think so, I would question your perception. Maybe exchange "insult" with "offensive", but we should keep some manners when discussing

My biggest problem with the "do bones" argument (esp now) is, what if your NOED spawn was this:

About 9:47

(I know this is devour hope, but go with me here)

How do you reasonably and logically expect anyone to find this totem spawn, ESPECIALLY when dull. I do know that totem spawns have to be better than they used to be, aka not right out in the open where everyone can see, but this is going a wee bit too far methinks. This is the problem with the do bones argument. Right here.

Not the issue is:

1) Guy found and cleansed four bones

2) Nobody else did any bones

3) Guy was found, one hit down, first hooked, and died

4) Guy came here JUSTIFIABLY complaining because solo q is hell and there is no way to tell if anyone else on your team is also doing bones. They got ######### by NOED when they and no one else was doing the counter.

So no, if you read the post, no they don't think they should survive every game or have a radar or immortality. They LEAST they would like is some way for Solo players to know if anyone else is also doing bones. Maybe you should learn to read.

They do not spawn in the same general area every time, there are fyi more than 5 potential totem spots on a map, they are RNG dependent just like almost everything else in this game. OMG shocking.

So you're telling me, with no foreknowledge of where totems MIGHT spawn on a map, in Solo Q, with no map, no Detective's Hunch, No Small Game, that you'd be able to find and cleanse that totem? And EVERY OTHER totem, because this is solo q, and nobody is probably gonna do totems but you. You telling me you're gonna find that #########? Or even say you and everyone else cleanses no totems, but just tries to memorize where they were when you run across them (or hell even tries to cleanse every totem but one in a REALLY obvious place so if NOED pops you know where it is), JUST IN CASE of NOED, you're not gonna miss that totem? Really? Really really? I highly doubt it my dude, I highly ######### doubt it.

Dude I already know you're biased af, but like. Seriously. Seriously. Detective's hunch is DLC only, Small Game also triggers off of hag traps and trapper traps, and it also is just a general cone, so sometimes even if you know a totem is "nearby" that doesn't mean much. If the totem is tucked away well enough good luck finding that #########. Small game says it's here...somewhere...in this 45 degree cone within 12 meters. That'll totally help when the totem is on the top floor of the Thompson house in an obscure corner that no one EVER goes to or passes by. Completely. Maps are rare. Also that still doesn't solve the Solo Q problem of, ehem, NOT KNOWING HOW MANY TOTEMS HAVE ALREADY BEEN CLEANSED. You might do four by yourself, never find the fifth one, you and your teammates may never find the fifth one (if they in fact are even cleansing totems themselves), Noed procs. "WhY DiDn'T yOu JuSt Do BoNeS???"

Idk man, just, didn't feel like doing bones after the first four. Just. Got lazy I guess. Y'know how it is.

It is a lazy crutch perk that rewards bad gameplay.

It seems you have reading comprehension problems. They do bones, they did almost ALL the bones by themselves. Their teammates did no bones. They spend or spent time looking for the last set of bones and could not find them, when they run Small Game to try to find bones it doesn't help (as the perk is garbage).

Some maps are bigger than others. So I doubt it only takes 2-3 mins, that's also not accounting for the time taken to cleanse said bones, as well as doing so without getting found by the killer, as well as hoping that your teammates aren't absolute potatoes and are actually doing gens. Also what about maps with multiple stories? What about the swamp?

They obviously AREN'T genrushing, as they are looking for and cleansing totems. So your 5 gens in 5 mins comment is utterly pointless.

How many maps do you expect a person to have? Do you expect them to run a map every game, JUST in case of Noed? Do you expect them to find a map in a chest every game?

then they are choosing to play the game the least optimally. communication in a team game is very important.

no they are saying as a solo survivor they do as many bones as they can find but get screwed because there team did not do the last one.

the devs just need to add a totem counter in one way or another and all the talk about noed will stop

the literal point of noed is to make it more enticing for teams to do bones instead of just rushing gens. you want better teams look around for people in the discord and group up. the amount of people who want the game handed to them on silver platter is staggering.

Yes, that was completely the point of the OP's post. They wanted the game handed to them on a silver platter. You got 'em. I didn't know you could read minds. (Though I'm guessing you can't read at all, based off your replies)

ooh someone is salty gonna start name calling? later entitled one.

-Unbreakable/DS being not used still means the survivors are getting to live/are not in danger. You think this is a bad trade off because they are using less perks?

-I don't care about Adrenaline.

-NOED working on any survivor doesn't mean anything. If its conditions are met, then it works. Just like any other thing. Like DS, doesn't differentiate between "actual" tunneling or a survivor throwing themselves in the way of it. NOED can also be stopped before it activates, unlike some of the other survivor perks (which also can appear in a game up to 4x.)

-Lots of perks create bad habits. I could say the exact same "Rather than getting better at their role they are telling others to do way more work because they refuse to adapt" thing about tons of other things.

-At some point, there isn't enough room to trade hooks every single time. You can't play every game like "Hook survivor #1, then survivor #2, then survivor #3, etc." because there isn't enough time. The unhooked survivor will just run off to get healed and do gens, or if you chase/tunnel them instead then the unhooker just gets to sit on the floor and doesn't lose a life on hook. That's why NOED is so effective, because the games end up finishing extremely fast and nobody ever takes the time to find all the bones. Switch up your playstyle to trade hooks like that, see how much better your games go.

-Yea, counters in the game chew up your available slots. That's kind of how counters tend to go: people bring Iron Will to counter killers that rely on hearing. On the other hand, Stridor can be brought to counter that. People bring Calm Spirit to counter killers that make you scream like Doc or killers with Infectious Fright. Or, the classic "DS to counter tunneling" example. This isn't an exception: just bring a perk to counter NOED if you hate running into it that much. People don't usually seem to have many problems running things to counter other things, except for when it just happens to be NOED.

I'm not even a NOED user myself, and I dislike going against it because I agree it's a way to cheese some kills when you didn't do much, but you did some bones. Then you still got hit with NOED. That doesn't mean you "did them." It means you did some.

I'll give you a piece of pro advice: use Detective's Hunch. If you still keep getting hit with NOED after equipping that, it just means you're not using the perk properly. No way you should be getting smacked with NOED all the time if you're clearing all 5 totems (which I easily do when I end up bringing the perk.) Or, if you're one of those people who's going to screech at the thought of obtaining a DLC perk, use the free option: Small Game. Hell, just knowing totem spawns allows me to clear like 3 or 4 totems if I decide to totem hunt while playing survivor, at least depending on the map (Lery's and another one or two maps are a little harder). Again, not a fan of NOED myself but to say "I did bones. You need a new excuse," is just laughable.

If Survivor is considered a team game, and this player is doing 3-4 bones per game, then it should be expected of the other three to do a bone or two. But no one does bones but this player, so that last set of bones, wherever they are on the map, are never done, so NOED gets activated anyways.

I mostly agree with you, but there are also some, ways to give yourself better odds against NOED, albeit it's a gamble and you don't get as many points for cleansing. What I'll do is pop a bone for Inner Strength, and then keep track of the rest of the bones on the map as I come across them. There are only 4 max on the field at any time since I'll usually pop one immediately, so that's a 25% chance of a bone becoming NOED so I can cancel it out immediately. While ideally all five are gone before end game starts, sometimes teammates decide to rush the game. At that point all I can do is hope that the two or three I've found are one of the NOEDs in play. I've a better shot at seeing one of those bones up(25, 30, 50% chance) than finding the last one that somehow hid itself in the buttcrack of a bush hidden behind a tree and a mountain.

hell? He says himself he was hooked only once, they compelyed all gens. SOLO IS HELL... If it was a hell they would be dead having 5 gens uncomplited.

Now i understand that solo q is HELL jsut because he died . What a tragedy.

Was it hell for killer? Was it the only kil lin game he got? Were all gens finished in 7 mins?

Now i see surv in real hysteria just because he died. WOW.

See now you’re suggesting empathy for the killer, and im not sure that’s allowed lol. Being that most killers that I see who run it struggle to secure even one kill, and similarly how most people who run things like UB+DS etc seem to do so because they can’t run the killer well, you’d think there’d be some common ground feelings here, but you know, entitlement. It’s really as simple of an issue as that- there is an abundance of entitlement issues in a good deal of the survivor community. My Xbox inbox alone proves that. If it isn’t one thing it’s another, there’ll always be some reason that ppl feel you are trash or that they were cheated out of their owed victory. 1000s if games and I’ve been gg’d for winning maybe three times? Four? It’s really pretty ridiculous. This recurring Noed argument is just another highlight in a marathon of bias.

well, killer`s perks are not about giving surviviors chance of disabling him, they are about killer`s advantage.

you say like NOED and totems must be designed as some sort of free points for survs. Picking noed menas you are alredy playing with 3 perks most of the game, so it shoud payoff in the late, but even that is under question becuz totem can be destroyed.

this topic is about solo surv that did not succeed in "deleting" one perk from the game. Why must he succeed ?

survs can consider  themselfs as SOLO players as much as they want but fact is there are 4 vs 1 in game , 16 perks vs 4. 8 addons vs 2 and so on.

they should not be able to outplay easily and killer must have advantage.

why do surv think that always must escape ? I bet he did not even got -1 but +1 but he is still in tears came to cry about terrible expirince. So they won the game, he was hooked only once but he still is unsatisfied. Guess he should not have been hooked in other case this is unfun and unfair etc

Alright. So, Noed itself should not be nerfed.

If you are wondering why, then go take a look at all of the general perks for killers. There are 3 tracking perks that are somewhere between good and OK. Then there's Sloppy and NOED. The rest of them are trash. What's a new Killer to do? Well, they're going to run NOED because they're only guaranteed to have 2 good non tracking perks. That needs to get fixed before NOED actually gets changed. NOED is currently acting as the bandage for the New Killer experience, and ripping that off before the wound has healed is not a good idea.

Also... Veteran players aren't immune to that issue either. I have swiftly learned that even if you have good perks and you get a new Killer and have 800k BP banked with a 60k daily and ~150k in Tome challenges... sometimes the Bloodweb is just going to decide that you're going to max out Monstrous Shrine, Unrelenting, and Forced Penance and doesn't give you any of the perks you actually wanted even though your killer is level 40... but... it did give you NOED. So... you run NOED. Not because you want to, but because your blood web decided to be obnoxious.

Now, what I would not mind happening is having countering Noed get buffed. What should be done is twofold. First I saw on here somewhere someone suggest that they make the Basement have a wall with 5 candles on it, where lit ones correspond to how many totems are left on the map. This needs to happen. It gives access to a potentially very useful piece of information but at a small cost. Second buff Small Game. Make it give ~10% faster cleansing and then this... "For each Totem cleansed during the trial (not required to be you), gain a token. Each token gives +0.5/0.75/1% faster healing, repairing, and sabotaging."