Sloppy butcher is... really bad.

Those seconds add up real fast.
If you always successfully end chases and be able to hook everyone twice, you add a very nice 40 seconds for them to waste healing.
And that's not including bodyblockers, failing chases, etc. Those also add up a lot.

It's not the best, i much prefer Pop Goes The Weasel if we're talking about pure Survivor time-wasters.
But it's a great option if you don't have some Killers or some Teachables

Tsulan said:

@Khalednazari said:
Sloppy Butcher is really good. You need to use it on the right killer, with the right perk sets. 

No, it´s not. It´s like Fire Up. The slight time bonus is not worth wasting a perkslot for.
Or is Prove Thyself suddenly meta?

@Might_Oakk said:
I enjoy SB at rank 1 play. It's situationally strong. If you're just chasing 1 person downing them and repeating it's pretty meh. If you have bodyblocking survivors or able to find and hit multiple survivors at once it's quite good.

Definitely not a bad perk anyways.

5 seconds is not quite good. You spend 5 seconds cleaning your weapon after each hit.
Why do survivors have perks that double the speed of healing or sabotaging, but killers get a 5 second debuff at max? Not worth a perk slot at all. It´s ONLY ok to use it as Wraith with the blood seing addon.

@lyric said:
Tsulan said:

@Khalednazari said:

Tsulan said:

@Khalednazari said:

Sloppy Butcher is really good. You need to use it on the right killer, with the right perk sets. 



No, it´s not. It´s like Fire Up. The slight time bonus is not worth wasting a perkslot for.

Or is Prove Thyself suddenly meta?

I have caught many players with Nurses calling, Sloppy Butcher, Thanatophobia together. You have every right to differ, but it's still the best on killers like Freddy, Nurse, and even Trapper with his ultra-rare addon. 

The one perk that is carrying your build is Nurse Calling. Sloppy Butcher and Thanatophobia are worthless. Hell, even Coulthrophobia is worthless in it´s current state, because no red rank survivor would heal inside the terror radius of the killer. Because Nurse Calling exists.

I disagree coulrophobia is a strong perk and with your logic you just used it’s like saying nurses calling is worthless too because survivors know that you can’t heal in the terror radius , everything has a counter people try to act like killers should have zero counters and should be able to eat every pallet in the map without slowing down even a little and that’s fine with them as long as we keep trying to invent bullshit ways to get kills even though majority of us don’t have a problem doing so

NC isn´t worthless, because killers get a glimpse of healing survivors, once they come into range. Survivors usually stop healing once they hear the heartbeat.
Coulrophobia only works inside the terror radius, and even gives the survivors a nice warning sign that they are in range. The warning sign appears before survivors can hear the audible heartbeat.

@lyric said:
Tsulan said:

@lyric said:

Tsulan said:

@Khalednazari said:

Tsulan said:

@Khalednazari said: Sloppy Butcher is really good. You need to use it on the right killer, with the right perk sets.  No, it´s not. It´s like Fire Up. The slight time bonus is not worth wasting a perkslot for. Or is Prove Thyself suddenly meta?

I have caught many players with Nurses calling, Sloppy Butcher, Thanatophobia together. You have every right to differ, but it's still the best on killers like Freddy, Nurse, and even Trapper with his ultra-rare addon. 



The one perk that is carrying your build is Nurse Calling. Sloppy Butcher and Thanatophobia are worthless. Hell, even Coulthrophobia is worthless in it´s current state, because no red rank survivor would heal inside the terror radius of the killer. Because Nurse Calling exists.

I disagree coulrophobia is a strong perk and with your logic you just used it’s like saying nurses calling is worthless too because survivors know that you can’t heal in the terror radius , everything has a counter people try to act like killers should have zero counters and should be able to eat every pallet in the map without slowing down even a little and that’s fine with them as long as we keep trying to invent bullshit ways to get kills even though majority of us don’t have a problem doing so

NC isn´t worthless, because killers get a glimpse of healing survivors, once they come into range. Survivors usually stop healing once they hear the heartbeat.

Coulrophobia only works inside the terror radius, and even gives the survivors a nice warning sign that they are in range. The warning sign appears before survivors can hear the audible heartbeat.

I guess that’s all on how you use it because I couple those perks together anytime I run nurses calling for maximum effect 

So survivors keep healing while being in your heartbeat?
On what rank do you play?

@Tsulan said:

@Might_Oakk said:
I enjoy SB at rank 1 play. It's situationally strong. If you're just chasing 1 person downing them and repeating it's pretty meh. If you have bodyblocking survivors or able to find and hit multiple survivors at once it's quite good.

Definitely not a bad perk anyways.

5 seconds is not quite good. You spend 5 seconds cleaning your weapon after each hit.
Why do survivors have perks that double the speed of healing or sabotaging, but killers get a 5 second debuff at max? Not worth a perk slot at all. It´s ONLY ok to use it as Wraith with the blood seing addon.

It's really quite good any reduced terror radius killer Myers, Spirit, Hag with Nurses. Also on huntress, billy, LF it transfers to their killers power.

Quite a good perk that punishes survivors who aren't afraid of the killer.

If the discussed heal time change with mangled nerf goes through I'd rethink it though.

I don't think it's that bad if it's getting nerfed

@lyric said:
Tsulan said:

@lyric said:

Tsulan said:

@lyric said:

Tsulan said:

@Khalednazari said: Tsulan said:

@Khalednazari said:    Sloppy Butcher is really good. You need to use it on the right killer, with the right perk sets.         No, it´s not. It´s like Fire Up. The slight time bonus is not worth wasting a perkslot for.    Or is Prove Thyself suddenly meta?

I have caught many players with Nurses calling, Sloppy Butcher, Thanatophobia together. You have every right to differ, but it's still the best on killers like Freddy, Nurse, and even Trapper with his ultra-rare addon.  The one perk that is carrying your build is Nurse Calling. Sloppy Butcher and Thanatophobia are worthless. Hell, even Coulthrophobia is worthless in it´s current state, because no red rank survivor would heal inside the terror radius of the killer. Because Nurse Calling exists.

I disagree coulrophobia is a strong perk and with your logic you just used it’s like saying nurses calling is worthless too because survivors know that you can’t heal in the terror radius , everything has a counter people try to act like killers should have zero counters and should be able to eat every pallet in the map without slowing down even a little and that’s fine with them as long as we keep trying to invent bullshit ways to get kills even though majority of us don’t have a problem doing so



NC isn´t worthless, because killers get a glimpse of healing survivors, once they come into range. Survivors usually stop healing once they hear the heartbeat.

Coulrophobia only works inside the terror radius, and even gives the survivors a nice warning sign that they are in range. The warning sign appears before survivors can hear the audible heartbeat.

I guess that’s all on how you use it because I couple those perks together anytime I run nurses calling for maximum effect 

So survivors keep healing while being in your heartbeat?

On what rank do you play?

Well I’m at 6 now and no they don’t keep healing that’s not what I’m saying lol I’m saying it’s effective by not letting them fully heal because chances are you can get in range to get a glimpse and force them to keep trying to move to finish healing 

You are gimping your own build with Coulrophobia. Survivors get a notification before they hear the heartbeat. You´ll miss more survivors if you take Coulrophobia.

@Might_Oakk said:

@Tsulan said:

@Might_Oakk said:
I enjoy SB at rank 1 play. It's situationally strong. If you're just chasing 1 person downing them and repeating it's pretty meh. If you have bodyblocking survivors or able to find and hit multiple survivors at once it's quite good.

Definitely not a bad perk anyways.

5 seconds is not quite good. You spend 5 seconds cleaning your weapon after each hit.
Why do survivors have perks that double the speed of healing or sabotaging, but killers get a 5 second debuff at max? Not worth a perk slot at all. It´s ONLY ok to use it as Wraith with the blood seing addon.

It's really quite good any reduced terror radius killer Myers, Spirit, Hag with Nurses. Also on huntress, billy, LF it transfers to their killers power.

Quite a good perk that punishes survivors who aren't afraid of the killer.

If the discussed heal time change with mangled nerf goes through I'd rethink it though.

To be a good perk (this also applies to thanatophobia and coulrophobia), the heal slowdown should be way higher. Survivors got perks that double their heal speed. No one bothers taking a perk that reduces their heal time by 5 seconds. Why should killers take a perk that increases that heal time by 5 seconds? That´s suboptimal. A killer already has a really tight time frame. A perk should really make a difference.

@lyric said:
Tsulan said:

@lyric said:

Tsulan said:

@lyric said:

Tsulan said:

@lyric said: Tsulan said:

@Khalednazari said:    Tsulan said:

@Khalednazari said: Sloppy Butcher is really good. You need to use it on the right killer, with the right perk sets.  No, it´s not. It´s like Fire Up. The slight time bonus is not worth wasting a perkslot for. Or is Prove Thyself suddenly meta?

I have caught many players with Nurses calling, Sloppy Butcher, Thanatophobia together. You have every right to differ, but it's still the best on killers like Freddy, Nurse, and even Trapper with his ultra-rare addon.         The one perk that is carrying your build is Nurse Calling. Sloppy Butcher and Thanatophobia are worthless. Hell, even Coulthrophobia is worthless in it´s current state, because no red rank survivor would heal inside the terror radius of the killer. Because Nurse Calling exists.

I disagree coulrophobia is a strong perk and with your logic you just used it’s like saying nurses calling is worthless too because survivors know that you can’t heal in the terror radius , everything has a counter people try to act like killers should have zero counters and should be able to eat every pallet in the map without slowing down even a little and that’s fine with them as long as we keep trying to invent bullshit ways to get kills even though majority of us don’t have a problem doing so NC isn´t worthless, because killers get a glimpse of healing survivors, once they come into range. Survivors usually stop healing once they hear the heartbeat. Coulrophobia only works inside the terror radius, and even gives the survivors a nice warning sign that they are in range. The warning sign appears before survivors can hear the audible heartbeat.

I guess that’s all on how you use it because I couple those perks together anytime I run nurses calling for maximum effect 



So survivors keep healing while being in your heartbeat?

On what rank do you play?

Well I’m at 6 now and no they don’t keep healing that’s not what I’m saying lol I’m saying it’s effective by not letting them fully heal because chances are you can get in range to get a glimpse and force them to keep trying to move to finish healing 

You are gimping your own build with Sloppy Butcher. Survivors get a notification before they hear the heartbeat. You´ll miss more survivors if you take Sloppy Butcher.

I don’t take sloppy butcher I said coulrophobia and NC together 

Mindfuck, i was thinking coulrophobia but wrote sloppy butcher.
The rest of the comment applied correctly.

Fixed it

@ZombieGenesis said:

@Boss said:
Those seconds add up real fast.
If you always successfully end chases and be able to hook everyone twice, you add a very nice 40 seconds for them to waste healing.

This sentence is so ludicrous is broke my brain. I literally had to walk away from the keyboard for a moment to process it. I was like "It can add 40 seconds to healing?" That sounds pretty good! Till you consider he meant 40 seconds of healing spread across 4 survivors and an entire game. So in terms of game slow down, if we assume an average game is around 15 minutes, you've delayed the game but 1/2 of a percent. Yup, take 1 percent and now divide it by 2. That's how much time you've made them "waste".

I never looked at Sloppy Butcher for the mangled effect, however. It was just too inconsequential. What makes it really good is for tracking. That extra bleeding is really nice. So the perk isn't worthless it's just preferential(some people may not care for the bleeding) and to exaggerate the impact of the mangled effect is...wow. I just really don't even know what to say.

If your average is 15 minutes, there's something really wrong with your games.
5 minutes need to be removed at least.
It removes more time someone could repair their own Generator and it removes more time someone could help repair a Generator.
While you only think of the direct benefit, the Perk allows you to actually slow down a thing no one likes, which is genrush.
This Perk is no anti-genrush mind you, i never said it was actually powerful. (Read the comment again if you think otherwise.) I'd pick Pop Goes The Weasel or Hex: Ruin over it any day.
Using it for tracking though, you're already better off just using Bloodhound. And then there's also multiple other tracking Perks that are just better.
The only reason you wouldn't is if you don't have Wraith's Teachables, which is a stupid reason, it only takes 1 dozen hours to level someone to level 40 nowadays.

Also, i can make an argument without starting and ending like a #########.

@Khalednazari said:

@Tsulan said:

@Khalednazari said:
Tsulan said:

@Khalednazari said:

Sloppy Butcher is really good. You need to use it on the right killer, with the right perk sets. 

No, it´s not. It´s like Fire Up. The slight time bonus is not worth wasting a perkslot for.

Or is Prove Thyself suddenly meta?

I have caught many players with Nurses calling, Sloppy Butcher, Thanatophobia together. You have every right to differ, but it's still the best on killers like Freddy, Nurse, and even Trapper with his ultra-rare addon. 

The one perk that is carrying your build is Nurse Calling. Sloppy Butcher and Thanatophobia are worthless. Hell, even Coulthrophobia is worthless in it´s current state, because no red rank survivor would heal inside the terror radius of the killer. Because Nurse Calling exists.

I am not aware, which platform you play on. But on PS4, some survivors at rank 1 are even worse than rank 20s. With Freddy, it forces them to heal in my TR, since I can see their aura outside of it. Sloppy Butcher slows down the heal, which gives me a better chances to get them before they fully heal. We are different people, our playstyles differ, too. I love sloppy butcher, and I am really impressed with the buff. It gives a different dimension to this kind of playstyle.

Playing on PC. I played Freddy from from rank 12 to rank 1. The Sloppy Butcher is useless in that situation. Since the dreamworld already applies a heavy debuff on survivor actions. Try playing him without that perk. Nurse Calling is good on him.

Oh and Freddy isn´t exactly a top tier killer.

@ZombieGenesis said:

@Boss said:
It removes more time someone could repair their own Generator and it removes more time someone could help repair a Generator.

Yes, 40 seconds...if you're lucky...spread out in 5 second increments...over 4 survivors...for an entire game. That's 40 pro-killer seconds (anti-genrush seconds). Whereas survivors could add 40 seconds, per chase, in pro-survivor seconds(seconds where teammates are cranking out gens) and they can do it multiple times per game. Let's say, in a simple world, this happens twice per survivor in a game. That's a total of 320 pro-survivor seconds added to each game for a perk like DS/SB/or DH. That's enough time to do 4 gens.

So, the argument here is the killer has this amazing perk that can, MAYBE, add 40 seconds to the entire length of a game. That's 40 seconds of added gen time! Again...maybe...in 5 second increments...per survivor...if you're lucky...

The mangled effect is trash. The fact that there are people trying to say otherwise is just insanity.

There's no luck involved: They either add up the extra time or they go down in 1-hit the next time you see them.
I'm not saying it isn't trash in comparison, i never made a direct statement.
This next comment of yours is already way better btw.

@HellDescent said:
Sloppy butcher is amazing!!! I run it nearly on half of killers with nurse's. It slows down the game drastically, makes sc work for you. I see so many people try to sc near me, pretend I don't see them and then just lunge at them before I turn the corner Don't know why you think it is bad. Mangled is one of the best effects ion the game for killer to apply to a survivor.

Those 5 seconds increased heal time sure must be impressive...
Have you tried Fire Up yet? It´s a real burner!
/S

You guys aren't looking at the big picture. Every bit of time you get back adds up.

40 seconds might not seem like much, until you realize that's a half of generator worth of time they lost.

Hell, stack it with Thanaphobia for giggles. Your keeping them injured longer, might as well ripple that effect to the rest of the team and affect generator repair time too.

Don't forget, there's still a possible universal healing nerf coming that's going to compound this effect as well.