Gen rushing is the main problem at high rank

I think slowing down gens is not the solution. I feel like there should be a new mechanic for making gens or looking for tools to make gens, this is usually a problem early in the match.

Maybe stop camping hooks and you'll make it to others

If thats what you encounter than why no NOED? If they're glued to gens and not doing totems it seems like an easy solution.

We've seen what happens when survivors have another objective and it was a complete disaster for everyone involved and made kills way too easy when playing killer. I dont think a second objective is the answer.

The " main " problem at all ranks in every game is hit boxes

I want to lose cause I got mind gamed and out played not because I have the hit box of a elephant

Complaining about map design is pointless. It is not going to change. Reworked Badham will always have a school and that school will always have 3-4 safe/god pallets, a very strong window and the other maps which have jungle gyms will not change. A big issue for killers is how easy it is for survivor to "trade-down" pallets for generators at any point in the match. It does not matter if it happens early or mid game. It only takes 3 people to hold M1 generators in linear alignment(To avoid 3 gens) and for the killer to over-commit/make a few bad reads to lose the match. Fast chases is also relative term because the majority of killers lack lethality capitalize on survivor errors and those that do have instant down capacity do not have tools to challenge looping with rare exception to the Oni. Its one of main reasons why body blocking can be very effective strategy against most killers.

The alternative solution becomes picking killers that have highest probability to win all loops such as Nurse and Spirt mixed with perks that slow the game down which most commonly are sloppy,ruin/pop and sometimes Corrupt intervention. If survivors find it boring to hold M1 longer, than perhaps adding more reliable exposed perks that not rely on Haunted ground or Devour hope RNG factor would help killers have faster chases as mistakes would be more penalized.

The current problem is that majority of the killers can't capitalize on survivor mistakes quickly enough to change outcome of the match and those that can rely on perks halt generator progression and info perks.

It's simple really.

1. Once a gen is complete, a 30 cooldown is triggered. Gens can't be worked on for that duration. Survivors can run and hide, not a big deal. Also any other gen would be reset.

2. Add native regression for when a gen isn't being worked on.

3. Remove gen tapping.

'Gen rushing doesn't exist' then neither does hook rushing (aka tunneling).

Enjoy.

So, you're admitting here that every chase you commited to took you the equivalent of 40-45% of a generator repair. Yeah, I don't think the gen speed is the issue here, love.

You cannot commit to people for that long "that aren't good at looping or juking" and moan about gen speed if it's taking you that long to down them. Maybe rotate and juggle your pressure near gens as opposed to just following survivors to whatever tile they take you to.

Are you illiterate and forgetfull? You mentioned a red ranked blendette bringing a key? If you know enough to say that you know enough to understand what I said.

Try playing a more complex game than this and then we will talk.

"Also, I was able to bring a key on my first day playing after a couple matches and getting one in the bloodweb. Didnt seem to complex when I had noob status. Still doesn't."

What am I supposed to take away from this paragraph of yours? Are you saying that I should be bringing a key every match that I see a key carrying Blendette in the pre game lobby, so that I have insurance in case she abandons ship early? That's the only way I could see how I could have misunderstood whatever you were saying.

I think you might be the one who is not fully comprehending what I was saying when I brought up survivors who dont give an F about if they three gen the team. In voice comm SWF it is fairly easy to avoid a three gen, because you can let your teammates know that they should pick a different gen to work on so that it doesn't happen, but:

1. That communication does not exist in solo queue, and even well meaning solo queue teammates can make mistakes and 3 gen- it of course should be a good advantage for the killer if that happens (and it is), but still not an automatic easy win for the killer.

2. Random teammates (like the imaginary key carrying Blendette) often do NOT care if there is a three gen, and do not care if they screw you over in their race to finish gens so the hatch can visibly spawn and they can plan their escape (with or without a key). They're not team players, they're out for their own escape.

Also, I'm perfectly fine with this game and other games that are complex. That is completely irrelevant.

It sounds like you have a harder time dealing with the game than I do, anyway? You're weirdly defensive about how I reasonably challenged your gen regression ideas.

Did I say someone ran me for all gens? No I did not. Though plenty of people have brought that aspect up on these forums. Evey time I turn around I'm reading about infinite loops and how easy it is for survivors to run killers. Or am I mistaken?

You are correct in that gen rushing is the most optimal way to play. However it is also true that it's heavily one sided. It's honestly the primary reason many killers play toxic because playing toxic is the only way to stop it consistantly.

Yes this game is very simplistic in its design and nature. There are plenty of games that require actual thought and effort. They also require multiple strategies, not just one be all end all.

And neckbeard? First how is that even an insult? Second, assuming that was true of me despite being clean shaven, what would that have to do with anything I have said? Hmmm? FYI, calling someone a neckbeard is a very millenial thing to do. My five year old nephew has better insults than you.

Also I'm positive that if I was completely off base, a model or dev would step in. Til they do, have a coke and a smile and stfu.

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Why are you focused on the rank I chose to say? The implication is that regardless of rank, someone can just dip on the remaining survivors while having a selfish mentality the whole game, and that it isn't exclusive to low ranks. You're focusing on the wrong thing; the red rank part is completely irrelevant except to say that this happens at any rank and if it happens with a competent killer it's even worse for the survivors. I'll quote myself and reword it.

"You think boosted red rank Blendette is thinking about a 3 gen? Nah bih, she brought a key so she's big chilling"

Rewording:

"All survivors should ideally be thinking about what gens they work on, so that they can strategically avoid a 3 gen. But many survivors are selfish (regardless of rank) and they are playing solely for themselves. They don't care if the end of the game is very difficult because they've planned on going for hatch since the beginning OR hiding while the rest of the team does the grunt work while they make sure they don't get caught. So they work on whatever gens are easiest for them without caring if they 3 gen the team."

Does that make more sense to you now? I used a lot of slang in my first comment which understandably may have been difficult to decipher if you aren't familiar with the terms.

Ps. I understood every word of slang you used. It was all just irrelevant to what I was trying to say is all. It was like going to a mechanic to have your car fixed, and they respond by talking about getting a sex change.

Bro these are the points you're making, you just need to stop posting on here fr. Killers don't need to be babied they need to get better lol. These "Rank 1 Oni's" are not good Oni's if they get two whole hooks a match bro. 2 hooks in one match is embarrassing. So either the rank 1 killer everyone in this thread is fighting is just plain bad or someone's lying. You have to literally fall asleep mid match to only get two hooks as a red rank..

It would seem like the issue you're having isn't with gen rushing, but with map pressure. While chasing and hooking survivors are obviously two important things for a killer, you also need to be able to pressure survivors off generators. You "couldn't do anything, even though I eneded every chase in ~30 sec" sounds like you completely ignored the generators. Not to mention spending 30 seconds chasing a survivor that can't loop or juke is very long. Take it from someone who can't loop or juke, my chases are never longer than 15 seconds. Think about it. Survivors are slower than killers when running. If I can't loop a tile then the distance between me and the killer will be reduced much faster than if I could loop.

Spending 30 seconds not being able to close distance against someone who doesn't know how to loop? That sounds just plain crazy.

My recommendation for you would be to break chase and find the other survivors. Have more of a map or gen pressure and you'll see that generators won't pop as often. As someone who also plays as killer, I struggled with keeping generators up because I did exactly what you did. Not saying I'm any better as a killer, what I am trying to highlight is that it's not all about winning chases and hooking survivors. You played two games back to back where it sounds like you ignored the generators and what happened? The gens were popped and survivors escaped.

My worst games as survivor all include a ton of factors, but one of those factors was having a killer who would not stray away from generators that were actively being worked on.

Gens go fast at first because at best there is 3 people on a gen and 1 in chase. After you get just 1 guy on a hook the gen speeds are perfectly fine. At that point the game is largely in your hands. It's up to you and your abilities with a little RNG as well. If you're getting gen rushed passed the first 2 gens you're just getting outplayed.

Omg, wait, sorry... I guess I should have been completely generic with what I said because some people can't help but focus on random irrelevant things that are solely mentioned as part of an example when they'd otherwise have to focus on the actual points of the argument. Good to know, I'll make sure I don't make that mistake in the future when I try to civilly bring up points with people who might get defensive for no reason.

I get it, though. I made some points and you had no real rebuttal, so you had to pick apart random irrelevant things to avoid the actual subject, even after I reworded it without any specific example.

And that's fine, continue wanting killers to be babied and have part of the game played for them. So much for your "complex games" comment, eh?

Awesome, it just seemed otherwise.

Hell I've been encountering this a lot because of literal nonstop smurfs. ever since I hit 15 EVERY match has been a smurf match. Its getting ridiculous(This is relevant), I keep facing red rank survivors all the time, and ######### the gens finish so fast. Like when I fix a gen as survivor it takes a bit over a minute yet these guys seem to finish gens in less than a minute. I've had to resort to camping because while these guys do get gens done super fast, they're also incredibly stupid as hell and I usually can just catch them when they try to rescue a survivor literally in front of my face. (Borrowed time doesn't do much if I grab you during the unhook).

I always hated camping when playing survivor, but the higher rank I go the more I feel the need to do it because these guys are running meta perks and I haven't even hit level 50 one 1 killer, so I don't have anything in the way of good perks to use across killers. And the Shrine of secrets usually has random ######### that isn't useful