The Amanda's Letter add-on for The Pig has been Kill Switched due to an issue with incorrect RBT count.
http://dbd.game/killswitch
apparently face camping is now bannable
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This mentions multiple games, meaning the killer has to leave & rejoin lobbies until they find the same guy, just to be an ass to them
so it’s fair enough if they’re banned for it
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so facecamping is bannable got it
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Griefing in general is bannable
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Sounds like you mad about face camping.
Are you said face camper?
Lol i dont understand why your mad unless your the one who actually got banned for this.
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You are taking it way out of context.
They are talking about targeted griefing and face camping a player along with many other things would constitute that but it needs to be done over multiple matches along with certain circumstances.
Its the targeting of the player to ruin their experience that is banable not the actual act itself.
In this circumstance the killer would only face camp that specific player each and every time they meet while not doing it to anyone else.
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only if you do it to the same player in multiple games... its literally stated in the post
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Basically, it's bannable in certain circumstances where the action (Face Camping) could be construed as some larger form of targeted griefing against a specific player. If they face camp everyone equally, then that player is still a jerk but that's about the end of it. In a vacuum where all they did was face-camp you enough to get a ban for such an action (without using mean or naughty language), they'd probably still have to repeat it to that extreme level at least a couple more times before they got any serious bans due to it.
If you really want to follow this rabbit hole to its craziest conclusion though:
- Face Camping can be considered a form of Griefing
- Griefing is a form of Online Harassment
- Online Harassment is a form of Cyberbullying
- Several US states have laws against Cyberbullying. Some other countries might also have such laws, but my research didn't go that deep.
Therefore, by the Transitive Property, Face Camping is Illegal (in some US States, at least). You can hit the next killer who face-camps you with this knowledge and "Book 'em Danno".
Though this is ultimately just a really ridiculous theoretical outcome to what would probably be a very VERY minor offense at most. I sincerely doubt anyone is going to actually try to fine or incarcerate someone for Face Camping in DbD. And BHVR probably doesn't issue a ton of bans for it.
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Ignoring the actual explanation in favor of fueling outrage...seems about right these days
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Name one.
It's not in WoW
It's not in Eve
It's not in Tera
It's not in BDO
It's not in LOTRO (Entmoors)
It's not in Rift
It's not in Smite
It's not in WoWS
It's not in WoT
This is just off the top of my head. I'm sure there are many MANY more. If you're playing a PvP game, PvP Is part of the game. Shocking, I know.
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But if someone's playstyle is to camp and tunnel. Eventually they are gonna have a same player again. It doesn't mean They are targeting you as a human being.
They would literally have to camp and tunnel the 1 person the whole game and then not do anything else to other survivors for several games, to even consider they are griefings player.
How often has anyone seen someone facecamp\tunnel the one player and cease to do anything else after they have died? I've only seen it twice.
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But that's the point, it is rare because we aren't talking about someone who's play style is camping and tunneling. The 'griefing' model of this strategy is someone who goes out of their way game after game to ignore all other players in order to find, tunnel and camp the person to death. Nobody is saying everyone who camps and tunnels should be banned for griefing.
The few players who may have earned this ban are the kind who will refresh lobbies till they are in the one containing the player they have a beef with, will throw their games (because face camping one victim at the expense of all the others isn't profitable) and do it over and over again. That is what people mean by griefing. Not camping and tunneling itself. I've seen it done by a streamer I won't mention.
Now i will say, chances are, that the person who made the inquiry may have just had the bad luck of bumping into the same killer with a camping / tunneling strategy, and that's for the devs to decide. Since someone actually being banned for camping and tunneling would be raged about on the forums, I'd say its pretty rare the devs agree with most complaints. Certainly not without proof of actual griefing.
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Pretty good b8
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That's more like a Personal Griefer Harassment situation.
Read op title and was excited. Color me disappointed now. 😐
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that's old news, same with tunneling in multiple games. so say you ran into the same guy ten different matches, and you camped or tunneled him in 4 or 5 if not more of those games especially multiple times you met him in a row. That would be considered targeted harassement/griefing and could get you intot rouble. Unfortunately, even if it's simply done because they are the easiest to catch in many matches and you remember that fact when you see them in lobby (especially if they roll with a twf) or if they are often the only survivor you can even find (especially if they roll with a twf) since they only see the raw data and have no understanding of the context of the match.
So this could actually be abused by twf were it not for the fact they don't know who the killer player is in the lobby nor until the match is over with, the only saving grace from this being abused to force killers to have to tunnel out objectas an example or else stand ina c orner all game every time they would have been able tor ecognize a killer player they didn't like or just decided to troll. This is one example why survivor lobbies should never be allowed to see the killer's name/profile, at the least, even if they ever let them see the killer type again. when the game came out, I remember they used to be able to find the killer's profile through recently played and decide to dodge or troll them... thank god they can't do that any more
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No, griefing is bannable, get it?
This pretty clearly states it has to be over multiple games, most likely involving some sort of outside program to locate the same person over and over again and then target them game after game. It's like if you played an MMO and body camped or graveyard camped someone for hours.
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75% chance this is bait.
25% chance you didn’t read the entire thing.
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if the face camper targeting the same person in multiple games and it may have to be a alot to get someone banned.
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I get ban threats in just under half my games, probably about a third. I'm bringing grief apparently but I rarely mean to.
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No. Repeatedly finding and braiding a single person is bannable. You might want to...you know...read the post before commenting?
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And bubba is hiring a lawyer now
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"What are you in for? I murdered 6 people with a toothpick because they made fun of my hair."
"Insidious Facecamping level 20's with Leatherface in Dead By Daylight."
"*Scoots away*"
Anyways the rule mentioned was for if you target a specific player repeatedly to ruin their gameplay experience. I'm not trying to rules-lawyer but I am curious exactly what the definition of that is.
If I run into "John Doe" and he and his SWF acted as toxic as possible (All quick-switching from Default Dwights and Jakes to P3 Legacy with flashlights and keys, map offerings, teabagging after pallet stuns, using that annoying flashlight macro which hurts my ears, etc. waiting at the exit gates just to teabag me, bullying the ######### out of me in post-game chat) and I was annoyed enough I actually remembered their usernames when they ended up in my lobby a month later, am I in the wrong for throwing on an Ebony Mori, Franklin's, NOED, Blood Warden, etc. because I remembered how insufferable that previous match was?
I get it that if I'm doing stuff like dodging lobbies repeatedly trying to get into their lobby, or facecamping John Doe and letting the other 3 go free, etc. that's definitely targeted griefing, but what about if they just wound up in my lobby like a few weeks later and I decide to throw on an OP/annoying build like Iri Huntress or Impossible Skillcheck Doctor? Can it even be proven I threw on that build solely because I wanted to "punish" the toxic player, or was my plan all along to bring the build and the toxic player was just in the wrong place at the wrong time?
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you can tell "strategic" camping from grief camping its very discernable.
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