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All survivors running meta perks is extremely hard to beat in my opinion.
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It took me longer to get kills because of mainly DH, also because I lost downs / hits because of DH / DS / SB. And if the only realistic way to beat average survivors as a 4 man swf with meta perks is to play nurse and do no mistakes, than that isn't really fine the way it is, is it?
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The thing is tho, there are people who play other killers like clown and trapper in red ranks and perform really well.
Both sides have meta perks.
I understand you feel like you shouldn't have lost but it happened anyway, the game is supposedly balanced around 2 dead, 2 surviving. Also there's a certain RnG elements to each trial to I suppose help achieve that balance. If you get a lot of 4k's your really not in a position to complain regardless of how you played (if 3 escaped they obviously played well) . You should try not let it get to you that much, it is only a game. Each trial is meaningless.
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I didnt cry about DH and never said it was OP. I only said that in my opinion it should get changed and gave a few arguments no one could argue against without just trash talking. First: I never said that I was the best nurse. Second: How am I a worse killer if I say specific things? Third: Did you even read my post? This was about what people think of all survivors are running full meta perk builds and its balancing. What you are saying has nothing to do with my post and is just bullshit.
Please stop trashtalking and if you have nothing good to say just don't even say anything. Thank you
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That is totally unreasonable. You are basically saying that you want to sip a drink, talk on the phone, and cook a pizza while still dominating. If that were possible, this game would be incredibly broken. If survivors are using meta stuff, you have to use meta stuff. This is true of any pvp game. Use what’s available to you or don’t complain.
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I mean I think you miss understood what I said :D
I don't have a problem with me losing, I just used it as an example to show how strong meta perks are. I am really happy that I finally had a challenging game, it is possible to perform well as weak killers like clown or trapper. For example otzdarva is a really strong trapper and I wish I was as good as him with that killer (in my opinion he is good). But just because people have good games means that these meta perks on all survivors as a 4 man swf is really balanced. But I mean still ty for not trashtalking like others and actually giving a good comment on this.
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Yes, it was beatable. But just if the only way to beat average survivors as a 4 man swf all with meta perks is to play nurse, with strong add-ons. 4 perks. No mistakes. Than its not really balanced is it?
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Well yes everyone with a working brain knows how op these perks are. Unfortunately the devs are unwilling to change the meta.
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Okay I guess I am just stupid but I don't really understand what you mean with the first example lol. And I mean you are kind of right with the last one. Totally fair your opinion and its not really wrong. I think of it this way: Having to play the strongest killer in the game with 4 strong perks strong add-ons while doing no mistakes is not equal to it.
4 friends are just playing as an 4 man swf and they are just playing these easy to get perks. And are about average at the game.
That's just why I think it is not really balanced.
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I mean if one single survivor is using these perks they are strong. But not OP just usual strong perks. It is just as soon as all 4 survivors are using it and they are just winning because of these perks its a different story. Thats also why I don't want to say that it should get nerfed or what so ever because what are they suppost to change? Just nerf all perks down? Thats just stupid. That's why I am asking for opinions from other players.
I mean you can have this opinion its totally fine. I just said what I think of that. I hope there was no miss understanding. :)
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I changed the name of this discussion because people didn't understand what this was about and there were a lot of people just trashtalking and didn't even read the post / didn't even understand what it was about. :)
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Yep. When you can stack multiple second chance perks it usually spells disaster for the killer. And they wonder why killers resort to slugging, camping, and tunneling 😂
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Opex: I didn't say that he / she was toxic
Also Opex: Are you just trying to be straight up toxic?
On a serious note by watching your video, can’t judge players who play as Nurse as I don’t play Nurse (GF ftw) however I can judge you on how you as a killer. This isn’t trash talking this is constructive criticism, you have zero gen defence perks, gens were gonna fly. Pop or Surge would of been nice instead of Deerstalker. At 1:25 after kicking the gen you spent 25s on one spot and you tried to slug 3 guys. These two were your downfall, time management is important and you wasted all that time for one hook. I saw 4 DH proc and you know DH is a strong counter to Nurse just like Urban Evasion is to Hag and Spine Chill to Wraith. Borrow time proc once, it happens. DS proc once and that’s your fault. 8:35, you gave up on the chase and went to the hook and downed Nea who you hooked. 1. Why did you give up the chase? If you got him, that’s map pressure, they’re on the other side probably healing. Hook him, BBQ, blink away. 2. Should of kept track of who you hooked. At 9:33 just after the DS you spent 1m:20s to start another chase, that’s a lot of time, infact enough time to complete a gen.
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To your new title: No duh it's hard, that's why they're meta. Just like meta killers are hard to beat.
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I don't have much to deny you are right, these things that I did were mistakes. And gen regression would've helped me in that game, I just use two flex perks because I don't need more than 2 perks in 99% of my games.
What I am just trying to say is, survivors just have to take meta perks, like all of them, and just be average players and play as a swf.
And now if we say the killer wants to win this than he has to play the strongest killer in the game, with strong add-ons, 4 perks with gen regression. And make almost no mistakes. Than that's not really balanced.
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That's not true. The mistakes you made were major, I doubt you played much more skillfully than the survivors. Don't be surprised when you lose when you handicap yourself 2 perks and then don't manage to completely outskill the survivors. Check your ego, the perks aren't the problem here, it's your entitled attitude.
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As I said I never said that DH was OP. I just said that in my opinion needs changes, you can see that because I also say that SB is stronger than DH and doesn't need changes. It also wasn't my post, someone else created the post about and HE THOUGHT that DH was OP. People gave me examples but most of them where just bad and I could just argue easily against them, and than no more better arguments came. And as I also said it was just my opinion about it. I said you cant always get close to them to bait DH, survivors can just use DH at a loop to get more time and loops of it and you cant counter it, you also can just use it for distance and you cant counter it. Other people just always gave the same arguments where I already showed that they are wrong. And I said toxic to people in this discussion a few times, not because I just cant take criticism. But because these ppl didn't even really read my post and didn't even understand what it was about. And instead they just gave comments with insults / toxicity, and were just trying to provocate instead of acting like everyone else in a discussion.
If you think I am not one of the best nurse's than that's totally fine it's your opinion, I just said that to tell how I consider my own nurse skills in that example. I don't even understand why you have to say this, because it just totally isn't what this discussion was about. It was totally not what I tried to say with this post, it was just an example.
People were asking me for some reason why I think I am one of the best nurse's out there, and so I just told them about how my matches go how much experience I have and so on. I would never said these things if those people would have understand what this post was about. Now I also changed the name of the discussion so people hopefully understand what I want to say with this.
If you watched the video you would've seen that the survivors weren't better. The game took 11 minutes, it took them 11 minutes and I did made mistakes yes, but they did even more and got carried really hard by those perks, mainly DH. I would've killed them in a long time but they just keep getting so many second lifes and so much longer chases because of these meta perks, and mostly not because they played better. These survivors in that game even agreed that I was playing way better and that they would've lost if they weren't using these perks. I'm not even complaining that I lost, and now I am gonna explain you what this post was about :D. I wasn't complaining that I lost, I was happy that I finally had a fun challenging game. What I want to say is just. If the only way to beat average survivors as a swf with meta perks is to play the strongest killer in the game with strong add-ons, gen regression perks, and a low amount of mistakes. Than that's not really balanced, just think of it like this: How is someone suppost to win against this while playing a weak killer like clown or trapper? How are you suppost to win on a bad killer map like red forst? how are you suppost to even have a slight chance to win if you are just not that good. These players were just average players and a average killer would still have no chance to beat them. This doesn't even affect me because I main nurse, this is just because I care of the state of the game and I care about the game experience of other players.
I never said that there are no better survivors than me, I also didn't blame it on swf. I blamed it on the meta perks because stacked up its extremely hard to beat them, these survivors won not because they played better, but because they played these perks. Otherwise I wouldn't hold this game for 11 minutes. And these survivors even agreed to it, these survivors that are running these perks.
You said 11x in this post that I am delusional, deluded, annoying, I cant take criticism. You are bringing things up like that I said DH was OP and so on even tho I just told you before that it isn't like that. You just kept missing the point of this discussion and are just acting childish. You were exactly like this in the post about DH. There is not even a need to keep arguing with you, I just think you should get banned from these forums, honestly from me to you. Have a nice day, I wont be arguing with you anymore no point at all, think what you want.
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Yet there are people like Stalky boi who use weaker killers and 4k. You can succeed with any killer in high ranks. Just with some the difficulty is higher
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I can link a game for you where I use one regression perk and 4k
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Also since there are no statistics for this game. I'm gonna guess by you whining about dead hard that you don't remember how good nurses counter it. Sure it saves them once, but only once. If you were one of the best as you claim then you would've been able to down them no issue after they used dead hard and had no more perks up their sleeves
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You missed the point, I didn't say that I just lost because of these perks. I did mistakes yes I even said that before. What I just want to say is that it isnt really balanced if just 4 friends can put these perks on and play in a swf. And than the killer has to play the strongest killer in the game with strong add-ons, gen regression perks, and do almost no mistakes. That isn't really balanced.
I also don't say to change these perks, they are strong but if a survivor uses them its fine. Its just extremely hard to beat them when all survivors are just stacking them up. And you cant really do any changes to that. The only thing I did was asking for opinions what other people think of it.
I don't even complain that I lost. "Check your ego" "it's your entitled attitude". You cant even understand my point in my post, thats something you learn in 4th grade. Just don't even put trashtalk like this in the forums.
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Of course people can 4k with weak killers, even at high ranks. I just said that it is not really realistic to do well with a weak killer against these stacked up meta perks, or even with a strong killer it is still hard as long as your survivors are not just complete babys. I think you are missing the point.
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After they used DH I also got them, I don't know if you watched the video.
Statistics for this game:
I had 30k points, which means I did a lot in this game. I made it last for 11 minutes. I had only one kill and didn't pipe. So it was a lose.
It is just if every single time I chase them they can just get more time of it by DH. Than after some time you cant win no matter how fast you down them because it just wastes so much time.
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I don't think you understand what I'm saying. You don't need to play the strongest killer to succeed against this type of game. Just means with the weaker killer more skill is required to win. You slugged too much in this match which costed you. If you took early hooks you probably could have had an easier mid/endgame. I'm currently at the part in your video where you hit the girl with bt after downing the rescuer which was a waste of your time I think.
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I can just play you like 3 - 5 games right now where I play with no regression perks, and 2 flex perks and 4k every time. It has nothing to do with you cant 4k. It has something to do with you cant really 4k against stacked up meta perks, its just not realistic unless the survivors are not really working on gens. You are totally missing the point.
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+1
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Lmao I should be banned? You don't listen to anyone, you back track like crazy and you are still so full of yourself when trying to say you're not. Obviously, perks or no perks, a survivor has to have skill to win. Killers too. If a survivor escapes, he clearly just has more skill. You can't accept that. Its the perks fault.
I'm here to tell you no, it's not. But you're so in your ways and childish that you think I should get banned cause I'm calling you out lmao. Even when you talk about the DH post. "None of them had good arguments, they were all weak. I disproved everything they said." No you didn't lmao. People stated valid and pretty damn good arguments and all you did was say they were wrong and that repeated yourself. You cannot see that you're just wrong. You were wrong in that post and you're wrong here. Experienced killers learn to play around meta perks. It's part of the game. It shows your skill level when even meta perks don't stop you from getting a 4k. Just because you play the hardest killer to play against doesn't actually mean you're that good at her. Shocker I know. That's probably why you lost. Because you can't adapt. You think your play style isn't the problem. That they're still bad survivors, but it's the perks. Sorry but I'm not letting you say that a perk carried a game. Watch killers like Monti or Tofu, they adapt. They play with skill and they work around the perks. You clearly can't do that. Sorry but that's the truth.
But please, go on, tell me I'm wrong, tell me I don't understand, etc etc. All you do in these posts is just repeat yourself to every single person and downplay their arguments as bad arguments but don't ever disprove anything.
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It is still possible to win even with a weaker killer, it is just really hard, and as long as you are not a ######### god killer, or the survivors being complete babys. It is not really realistic to 4k. But of course it is possible, everything is possible :3. It will most of the time just not happen, even if the killer plays better than them.
Yes I made mistakes. But I mean having to sweat your balls of and not even making a single mistake against average players with just these perks is not really fair. I mean from the survivor side you just have to press E or hit a skill check (DS, DH).
But I mean you can think of it what you want :D
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Yes again with the flexing on how many times you can win in a row type stuff. I don't wanna hear it it just hurts your case because if you succeed that much then these perks aren't really that much of an issue are they? Also you literally said "you can't win without using the strongest killer and 4 gen regress perks." So yeah you did say you can't win without using strong killers. Anyway to your other comments you made way more mistakes then just 1 to 4 you made at least 5 or 6 and I'm not even done with the video. Here's the deal, you are using the strongest killer in the game when played right, second chance perks aren't an issue against good nurses or literally any good killer. This loss was on you. Killers dictate the pace of the match by their actions since they are the most impactful.
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You say it's not realistic to 4k yet you brag about how much you don't lose. Literally fi you lose 5 games per week than you are good enough to where these perks shouldn't affect you. I'm not saying you had to 4k. I'm saying you could have gotten more kills had you been better or made better decisions
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That was just because I didn't understand what you were trying to tell me, one single game of 4k doesn't say anything. But I also have to say my answer wasn't the smartest on that. I succeed really often because I would say I'm a strong nurse, that's why I win really often. But most players are not playing nurse, it doesn't affect me yes but I think it affects other people and that's why I said my opinion to it. I care of the state of this game and I think most people wont be able to beat a swf with these stacked up perks, even if they are better. In my opinion it should get changed. I said that yes, but I mean you can of course win, it is just really hard and most of the time players are just not gonna win even if they play better. At that point I think I just should have said it differently, thats a mistake on my side sorry for that. With the mistakes I think everyone thinks differently of what counts as an mistake or not. I might have also made 5 mistakes or even more, you can always play better. On the next one if you think so okay its your opinion, I think if a killer plays really well he can still win against meta perks. Just I think if they are stacked up really hard killers are most of the time not gonna win or just not get as many kills as they should have even tho they played better. This lose was on my side, I could've made things better. But at the same time I would've probably gotten like 3 kills if they didn't had these perks. Even the survivors themselves agreed on that. But I mean the round was just to show off.
I respect that you got a different opinion same as mine is different, but I mean thank you I guess for bringing good arguments instead of just trash talking. ehehmhm babydweetmain... uh wat? :)
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The first part means that you feel like you should win without having to try. This is a common talking point I hear (this is so stressful, too hard). You’re probably spoiled from winning, since most players suck ass at this game. But against good players, you should have to sweat. The game would be in a pretty poor state if you could beat good players without trying.
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That's because I don't play against that extremely stacked up meta perks really often, yes it doesn't affect me but it does affect other people.
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Okay about the first part than it was just me not understanding it, my fault sorry about that. Totally agree on most players you should have to sweat. The problem is most of the time these survivors are not really good, in my match the survivors weren't bad, but also not like really good. They were just average survivors. It doesn't affect me I have no problem with losing to that, I just feel like other people that might not be that good just normal casual players. Or people that play a weak killer would have almost no chance to win against it and sweat their balls of, just for the survivors to take these perks with them and play like in any other game.
If I'm not answering after this I'm sorry its 6 am for me rn, even gamers have to sleep lol.
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I'll thank you for your non aggressive argument as well. Although I disagree with some of your stand points I can understand where you are coming from. If you succeed as much as you claim this could've been really a knife to the gut for you since you were on a roll. But still even if a 4 man runs meta perks and beats you one game, there will always be another. Yeah those perk saved their asses multiple times but you gotta understand how you would've ended all those chases within seconds without those perks. It's called balancing and yeah it may affect other players but it can push them to become better to counter or bait dead hard for example or wait out bt. Smol pp is kinda uncountable but I think that's the only thing survivors had that isn't counterable, while killers have multiple builds to make them game hell and boring for survivors without any counter.
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+1, totally have to agree on everything you said. No need to deny it, I wont be able to answer from now on sorry, its 6 am for me even gamers sometimes just need to sleep.
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I can deal with the changes to nurse if i have charge addons, but dead hard being meta turning every survivor into a 3 hit down killed her for me.
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You don't have to do ALL of that to not lose. To win yes, but if you want to get the intended trial outcome of 2 kills all you had to do was play as good as you claim you are or just bring 1 or 2 more useful perks. Like I said, if you wanted to prove that there's a balance problem through your salty little post and video, you failed.
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I think you are entitled to the 4k.
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So you are asking for easy games when playing one of the best killers in the game? step up your game due
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