Circle of toxicness?
Hi
This is not meant to be a complaint thread but lately I notice a sort of endless circle which also affects myself.
I play both roles but mostly killer (only survivor with a friend of mine sometimes). A positive thing I can say is that the toxicness in this game seems to be slightly lower compared to the past. I'd say I get extremely toxic people 2 out of 10 matches (as both killer and survivor) but luckily a lot of friendly sportsmanlike people too!
As survivor I sometimes get killers who kind of facecamp without any reason (I see this the most with The Cannibal and The Spirit but offcourse not all killers are the same!) or tunnel/camp extremely hard without reason. As if they're just trying to ruin the game for survivors even if that means they won't get as many kills sometimes. I say "without reason" because as I said earlier I play mostly killer and at times you're forced to camp (like endgame/gates 99 or open) or proxy when the survivors are legit genrushing. I'm talking about intentionally playing like a douchebag and trying your best to ruin someone's game experience even if it's not optimal at all.
And as killer I can say survivors can be toxic douchebags too, especially when grouped but that's not necessary. I don't mean playing optimal by this but teabagging constantly, constant clicking and bullying... but the worst of all is the endgame chat. At some times I wonder what I did wrong to deserve " gg ez baby killer" "ez trash killer lmao".... (seriously I say "gg wp" and even want to compliment a good looper but then I get these sorts of bs in chat) But this is when I think of my own games as a survivor!
I think some people that are normally not toxic just sort off let out their anger on people who don't deserve it because of toxic experiences in the previous games (don't get me wrong though a lot of people are just toxic by nature in this game). Both killers and survivors. I'm guilty of it as well. I notice I start playing dirtier or campier after I got bullied by toxic survivors for no reason in the previous game. Same goes for survivor, I start being more disrespectful in game such as teabagging at the gate after I got facecamped the previous game (although I'm mostly not a douchebag in end game chat). It's wrong because it's not the next killer's or survivor's fault that you had a bad experience in the previous game. And the other people might also let out their frustration in the next game and so on.. And because of this I believe there's a sort of never ending cycle.
In the end, I think we all love it when we get a sportmanslike opponent (killer/survivors) and it gives us enjoyment to compensate for the toxic games! Like I said I don't mean this as a complaint thread, there's a lot of nice players too, but I was just wondering if other people also noticed the same that I did.
Do you also find yourself guilty sometimes for taking your frustration to the next game? What do you guys think would be a possible "solution" for this?
Thank you for reading!
(English is not my first language so sorry if the writing is a bit messy).
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I noticed this as well...
One player affects others
then it snowballs to more
I try to refrain from spreading the toxicity
If I start to feel toxic I just go to another game or watch YouTube
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I do help in the spreading of toxicity not meaning to tho I get pissed sometime like last night I got stuck as killer after getting a survivor unstuck they were genrushing from the start but after I got stuck it was bully flashlight blind and I dc and got a ban,after ban I started two match with a mori killing all teams and the 3rd game no mori got 3k but one was stuck on hill didn't help her just hooked her at the time I didn't care but now I feel a little bad but this game bring out the wosre in people.
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I say "without reason" because as I said earlier I play mostly killer and at times you're forced to camp (like endgame/gates 99 or open) or proxy when the survivors are legit genrushing.
You're not forced to camp you choose to camp🤣
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As a survivor, I will NEVER do toxic #########. I play as killer far more often than survivor so I am well aware of just how incredibly irksome that survivors constantly tbagging and being clickity clicks gets so I won't ever do it.
As a killer, respect earns respect. If you are a good survivor who doesn't go out of their way to use cheap tricks or just be annoying (bodyblocking with BT, tbagging/clickity clicks, etc), I won't ever use "dirty" killer tactics like tunneling/camping. I am also a lot more likely to let the last survivor go (or if you have a team of jerks and you're the lone respectful player, I am far more likely to single you out to be let go as I hunt your teammates to extinction) if you show respect to the killer.
It takes a LOT to piss me off enough that I end up tunneling or camping you out of the game (I don't even camp in EGC when most people agree it's the one time that camping is "allowed"). Believe me (or don't, I don't care :D), if I am ever tunneling/camping you, you 10000000% brought it on yourself.
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Is this just a written version of Scott’s YouTube post???
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"Forced" as in 99% chance the one on the hook gets away if you leave too much distance. You have Spirit as your profile pic so I think you know what I mean.
I don't even know who Scott is? Can you post a link to the video because now I'm curious lol.
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I take out my aggression on Survivors by playing Freddy. I don't play dirty or toxic. But Freddy is a highly competent killing machine.
Granted most of the time my aggression against Survivors is due to toxic survivors who I played with on a team, rather than against.
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Lmao you didn't lie! This is indeed basically what I was talking about!
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Sorry, i don't understand the DS hate. I play both survivor and killer, and for that i don't understand the hate on DS.
Its lovely to see killer mains on twitch complaining about DS, but when they play survivors 4 SWF they always pick the nastiest build. And they do pick DS on their build. "do as i say not what i do" mentality.
BT and DS are mandatory for me as i solo survivor. Its no fun to be tunneled or camped. Period.
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Wrong thread.
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Personally I don't think DS is a problem perk. I remember it was extremely obnoxious in the past but now that it requires a hook + limited time that it's active it's an anti tunnel perk but not overpowered imo. Losing a kill while the gate's open due to DS sucks but so does NOED for survivors.
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I refuse to camp
If I lost I'll stand by the exit gate waiting to open it. If I hook someone during EGC I'm not standing there waiting for them to die. Don't judge a book by it's cover😁
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That's really nice of you! But I almost never encounter players like you then though lol.
I think proxy camping is justified in the EGC personally (even when I'm playing survivor) but I guess it's something subjective.
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Gracias
Yeah I'm a rare breed. No I agree that's their choose to proxy camp or whatever during then EGC, but their not forced to do it
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But... you haven't lost. Why give up?
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Kinda like what other people said, it's a really hard snowball effect. Survivors who are just trying to have fun get camped for no reason and then put on a full perk build to screw the killer seven ways to Sunday with keys and flashlights, etc. and as killer, they get bullied by the toxic survivors, leading to them bringing an ebony mori and a build to crush survivors the next game to kill them off first hook. I admit to doing both of these things and I'm sure many others have as well. The issue with it, like you said, is that those players did nothing to us. But since we are so angry at the previous people we played against, we are ready to take that frustration out on whoever is present
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I play for fun if I'm not having fun I take the loss and move on to the next match
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Yes, but you shouldn't be shaming people for wanting to win. At a game.
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Who am I shaming?
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how is that shaming
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Laughing at someone because they play the game differently. Is totally not shaming someone./s The only way to stop the cycle of toxicity that everyone complains about is to just play the game your own way, So if you aren't playing to win that's fine, but don't laugh at someone who is.
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Yeah I said it as a joke.
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Then put /s next time. Would have saved you and me the headache.
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Sorry, forgot to quote the youtube video. Its been fixed.
I agree. He can slug you. I'm not even talking about NOED or MORI, or keys, or hatch.
What i mean is that its not fun to not be able to fully reset after being hooked. Since there's the entity for the killer, there could be a "guardian angel" force for the survivors also. Locking a circle around the survivor where the killer couldn't enter or damage survivors in it. In other hand the killer could have one or two extra perk slots reserved only for hex totems. Either to slowdown gen rush and camp/proxy camp. As it is can end the game really quickly.
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"tunnel/camp without reason"
Is this a joke? You tunnel/camp to get kills, it's not something a killer just do for no reason at all. That's like saying a survivor gen rush for no reason. There is a reason for every playstyle and strategy it does not mean someone is toxic.
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Ok you can't force me it was my choice to do it like that🤣
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Well now I know not to respond to you anymore. Because it's obvious to me you like to rile people only to then deflect when people come at you with criticism.
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Now I know to stop responding to you. If you won't take advice fine by me. Just don't expect people to respect your opinion if people can't tell if the things you type are a joke or not.
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I even explained what I meant by that some sentences further. I even play killer mostly lmao. Your comment seems more like a joke to me. But I have better things to do then to feed trolls (although I took the bait with this comment but oh well).
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What do you mean by not being able to fully reset after being hooked?
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Thats what I tend to do,
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Lighten up
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That's we can do... and it sucks
I like this game but there's only so much I can take
I would stream my matches... but getting frustrated 2 hours in isn't fair
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Yeah they really got to work a bit on how toxic this game can get, and if balancing it out helps then go for it devs because its affecting a lot of us, in a not so great way
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Balance is one thing
Maps are another
the RNG nature of the game
the "Asymmetrical Symmetry" I see in the game is also there
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If I have nothing nice to say after a game, I say nothing at all. What I WILL occasionally do is message the Killer if they've gotten steamrolled or had a bunch of DCs.
I try and find a specific thing to compliment so they know I'm not being sarcastic with GG, or empathize with what a dumpster fire the match was and hope their next one is better.
I do this for two reasons:
1.) I've had those matches when I play Killer and it's disheartening. I get so many DCs when survivors see I'm Ghostface :(
2.) I can't FORCE anyone not to pass on toxicity to the next match, but sometimes having someone else acknowledge it was a toxic game de-escalates the situation.
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The unique solutions that i ca think is make an compliment system that if you have more compliment you have more chances to play with people with more compliments making the guy that says GG EZ play with others guys that also says GG EZ
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Why do people camp to get kills im so confused can you not get kills without camping?
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Mostly because they feel like camping is better than chasing someone, probably not confident to Catch someone again...
I don’t even care, I’d rather run around all game after people and get 4 hooks and zero kills, not 1 hook and stand in place all game.
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