Anyone else feels freddy was overbuffed?

Freddy used to be my favorite killer to play as. I don't think he's as powerful as most people believe, but I do think he could use a partial nerf. Allow me to explain:

First off, I think the reason most people hate Freddy is that he's so easy to exploit by weaker killer players. Sort of like bad killers facecamping with Bubba. Everyone hates that, but that only makes the player bad, not the killer they're playing. I've never played Forever Freddy because he is objectively the worst Freddy. Thankfully they've nerfed the crap out of his slowdown addons. They're basically worthless junk at this point.

As far as his sleep mechanic, I don't think it's an especially powerful mechanic as it really only makes you susceptible to his traps. As I've said, his slowdown addons were nerfed into obscurity. People complain about his 'terror radius' while asleep (it's actually a lullaby) and how it negates BT, but any stealth killer can negate BT and Freddy's lullaby means he can't use any perks that alter or remove his terror radius. Also, if you want to bomb the hook for a BT save just wake up first.

As for his teleportation, I think it's the absolute best part of Freddy. It's the thing I never want to see changed. Yes, the BBQ/POP combo gives you some of the best gen defense in the game, but keep in mind that he has a 60 second cooldown after he teleports. It's not a power he can just spam. But even better than teleporting to gens and POP'ing them are the mindgames you can play with him. I can't even tell you the number of times I've struggled to catch a really good survivor, seen their aura on BBQ, teleported behind them, and walked straight up to them from behind for a free down. Or, hook someone, fake a teleport, then watch which way survivors run with BBQ.

Finally, his traps. These are the things that I would nerf. Survivors get a bit histrionic about his snares, saying that all you have to do is spam them for automatic downs. That's only true against survivors who try to keep running the same loop against an anti-loop killer, and even then you do actually have to put some thought into your trap placement. Not a ton, I'll admit, but - y'know - some. Certainly more thought than the survivors are putting into looping the same pallet over and over again. The changes I would make are to give him a bit of slowdown while he places them - like Clown used to have - and add a bigger telltale so that survivors being chasedd can see where he's putting them.

And that's it. Sorry for the wall of text. Now savage me with your criticisms.

He is pretty balanced until you get dedicated from across a pallet.

Freddy's only good because he has all those things combined. If you remove his mobility, he becomes worse clown, if you remove his puddles he becomes powerless M1 killer chase wise. The passive sleeping is nice but people overestime how much impact it actually has. There are so many ways to wake up that it's not really hard to stay awake as long as you want to.

I don't think some very slight nerfs would hurt him too much but nothing larger then slight number nerfs. We want good killers so that there is diversity, nefing freddy is horrible decision. Again, having strong killers is good for DBD, if anything more killers should be around his power level.

Freddy is a very good killer but doesn't not op or over buffed. The best thing about him is that he's easy to pick up and do well with without having to master his ability.

"dedicated from across a pallet"

huh?

His blood pools should be removed

Then he shouldn't put me to sleep if I wake up using the clock since one good blood pool placement and it's gg

Why put a question mark and act innocent, that is being quite disingenuous. You were being sarcastic as you know the devs are the only ones with actual data as they can see all the match results.

If you wanted a real and honest response you could simply ask why it is I believe that.

The statistics aren't fake. The problem with them is that there are a myriad of factors that are not taken into account which skew that data tremendously to where it is near worthless to use in terms of measuring balance. That devs realize this as well which is why they also specifically said not to draw any conclusions from the stats as you are doing right here.

You know that the last statistics shown about kill rate are about a year old now right?

They are so out of date that they are meaningless to even bring up.

no hes fine as is. he was so weak he could do nothing with his power all killers should be as powerful as what he is. you still have to play well with him. survivors are so used to killers being easy to play against or mess with or no threat. so they are like "freddy op" blah blah. it took years for him to finally get buffed or made to a competent level. all people do cry for killer nerfs. when survivor is easy mode

I agree with you about waking up - survivors should be able to wake each other up at the same speed all game. The devs should be encouraging survivors to keep each other awake since it's so vital to countering Freddy's powers.

I disagree with you about BT. Freddy having a lullaby instead of a TR for sleeping survivors means that they can't use BT - but it also means Freddy can't use any perk that alters or removes his TR.

Yeah, I usually just wake myself up by failing a skillcheck. Seems like a lot of people forget you can do that. Wastes less time overall, and I don't care about giving away my location because if Freddy wants to come chase me I'm down to clown.

You are right that many of the factors affect all the killers, not just Freddy. That's why all the kill stats are skewed, it's not just Freddy's. Freddy just happens to be higher than the other because he requires much less skill than some of the other top tier killers to perform well. This is part of why I think slower killers with stronger power like Nurse, Huntress etc are better design as they can be extremely strong but it requires high skill, but that's another topic. I'm just saying Freddy is what the other M1 killers should be, if we're going to have m1 killers.

Hypothetical here, but if the other killers were more realistically around a 1 kill 3 escape ratio and Freddy was at a 2 kill 2 escape ratio would that mean he's too strong? It just means the other ones need to be brought up, which is where I'm going with this.

I could list some other factors skewing the stats as well as the ones you mentioned but it doesn't seem you disagree with me on the factors. I think you're taking issue with why only him?

Freddy is a better doctor with better map control/gen pressure. I'll be one of the few people who agrees with you that he's overbuffed.

Nurse and Huntress require huge amounts of skill, especially Nurse, Freddy is braindead. Of the top 5 Killers he is by far the easiest to play, by a huge margin, one of the biggest things p2w offers is its easiness to use, noone wants to pay dosh to get something complicated, even if its very strong.

And yes, they buffed him because he was quite bad but they buffed him way too much. As people said, huge map control, inbuilt gen slowdown, anti loop tools (ones that dont even slow him unlike Hag or Trapper), a teleport that can be used to end chases (if the Survivor runs near a gen you can teleport to it to cut distance, if he backs down you cancel it), inbuilt counter to Terror Radius related perks, one of the best stealths in the game as he will see you well before you see him as he is invisible from 32 meters away (you can see Wraith glimmering around and Spirit cant see you while stealthed) etc, he just has too much going on for him with not a single drawback, hell even the alarm clock mechanic is a better stalling tool that Jigsaw traps, they make Survivors waste more time than any RBT and thats Jigsaw main power, thats why almost noone goes for alarm clocks unless they happen to pass by after doing a gen or saving someone.