Quitting to give someone hatch

powerbats said:

@SasukeKun said:

Lol these are survivor made up rules and if you break them THIS DC is passable. No a dc is a dc

Says the killer with made up rules mad because they can't have their 4k on demand. Now before you get the pitchfork out I don't agree with the dc but I understand it.

If you're going to leave that 1 person then camp the hatch while they bleed out or soft camp them close enough to the hatch.

Then you reap what you sow so to speak and it's no different than killer whining when someone goes and hides.

You get mad that last survivor is immersed and refusing to give you an easy 4th kill, well guess what you haven't earned it.

So quit camping and go find them since isn't that what killers want, survivors that don't sit there and loop endlessly?

Then what is the counterplay to the hatch supposed to be? "Let them get a free escape just because"?
survivor is easy enough as it is, why can't i, as killer, DC to make it so survivors don't get escape points? If you think that this is fair game then surely you also think lag switching is fair game?

@yeet said:

Then what is the counterplay to the hatch supposed to be? "Let them get a free escape just because"?
survivor is easy enough as it is, why can't i, as killer, DC to make it so survivors don't get escape points? If you think that this is fair game then surely you also think lag switching is fair game?

The counterplay is go find them before it gets to that point, if you camp the hatch and they refuse to go near it then you either give them the hatch or go find them.

You can't have it both ways ehre, you say they don't deserve the free escape well you don't deserve the free kill either. So you go find them, give them the hatch or have a standoff but you're not being given a free kill.

That's the same logic you killer mains have been saying for years now, you don't deserve a free escape, well you don't deserve that free 4th kill either.

When they allow closing the hatch then you can't whine about it anymore and then you have to GO EARN
THAT KILL !!!!

I'm actually looking forward to that and hopefully they get rid of Whispers at that point as well so it's a true horror style.

One where it's not about looping but about actually outthinking your opponent and you have to decide where to go on both sides.

@not_fcc2014 said:

@Tzeentchling9 said:
Not a whole lot of options sometimes though.

Tried to play it out fair, but the killer was too sweaty.

If they slug and refuse to pick the survivor up and that person doesn't want to be held hostage and kept in the game too bad killer take the 3 and move on.

that was a good episode

@powerbats said:

@yeet said:

slugging someone to go find the last person isn't earning that last kill? Why am I then not entitled to lagswitch to catch someone, you aren't entitled to free time from a chase, go earn that chase instead, I mean you're holding me hostage by looping me!
I think it's pretty disingenuous how you're only defending this because it benefits you as a survivor player, that killers have to be punished for survivors taking an illegal action (DCing) in order to deny me points.

Slugging to go find someone is fine but going straight to the hatch and camping it isn't actually looking for that person.

Also nice Red Herring and go ahead and lag switch and get banned then, one less person to deal with because they can't play.

You also know full well that lag switching and looping aren't even remotely close but then again I'm not surprised you'd try that logical fallacy.

Now this is rich I'm the one being disingenuous here when I'm not the one throwing out garbage like equating lag switching and looping to each other let alone holding the game hostage.

It doesn't benefit me as a survivor but it benefit both sides if neither one can just sit there and do nothing. Also yet an

Oh yes here it is where you quite obviously saw it and completely ignored it so you could try and logical fallacy like usual. I've even** BOLDED **it for you so you can't miss it.

@powerbats said:
Now before you get the pitchfork out I don't agree with the dc but I understand it.

lagswitching and DCing are both illegal actions, so why is one "understandable" and one "cheating" to you?
The topic of the thread was slugging the second to last to get a 4K, if only 2 gens have been done the hatch won't even be visible at that point
slugging and DCing also aren't comparable, because one is a valid tactic and one is against the games rules
other people in the thread claimed that slugging is "holding them hostage", if they can say that then I can say that looping is holding me hostage
or is breaking the games rules only "understandable" to you when it benefits survivors.
Hypocrite.

@yeet said:

lagswitching and DCing are both illegal actions, so why is one "understandable" and one "cheating" to you?
The topic of the thread was slugging the second to last to get a 4K, if only 2 gens have been done the hatch won't even be visible at that point
slugging and DCing also aren't comparable, because one is a valid tactic and one is against the games rules
other people in the thread claimed that slugging is "holding them hostage", if they can say that then I can say that looping is holding me hostage
or is breaking the games rules only "understandable" to you when it benefits survivors.
Hypocrite.

I said I understood it and apparently you still can't grasp the fact I said and I quote so you can't miss it again as you try and twist what I said.

@powerbats said:

Now before you get the pitchfork out I don't agree with the dc but I understand it.

Now so everyone can see you're just trolling at this point I'll put in caps too.

I DON'T AGREE WITH IT BUT I UNDERSTAND IT.

So the only hypocrite here is you, you can't twist my words no matter how much you want to. The fact you keep trying to when you got shown what was said is sad.

If you're going to keep denying what was said even when shown the truth of what was said and then try to back it up with more logical fallacies you're not worth discussing with anymore.

@yeet said:

do you find lagswitching and killers DCing if their ruin gets destroyed early understandable?

The logical fallacies continue I see, lag switching is cheating plain and simple and isn't the same as dcing so stop trying to equate the 2.

As to your question they're not understandable because you can still down survivors and hook them, you can still damage gens.

You have the ability to affect the outcome of the game still using you're own skill, but hey nice try with that failed argument again.

It's obvious you seem to think that lag switching and dcing before the match has really even started are ok as long as you're a killer.

If you can't handle a Hex totem getting destroyed early then this isn't the game for you since you have no problem if t doesn't get destroyed and you get to use it.

@CallMeRusty420

Just to be clear I understand the survivors dcing and again I don't agree with it just as i don't agree with killers dcing. This is especially true if the match has only gone a short time and you can still affect the outcome by getting hooks etc.

But some want to keep trying to equate absolute cheating with dcing which while both are against the rules one if much more highly detrimental.

@powerbats said:

@yeet said:

do you find lagswitching and killers DCing if their ruin gets destroyed early understandable?

The logical fallacies continue I see, lag switching is cheating plain and simple and isn't the same as dcing so stop trying to equate the 2.

As to your question they're not understandable because you can still down survivors and hook them, you can still damage gens.

You have the ability to affect the outcome of the game still using you're own skill, but hey nice try with that failed argument again.

It's obvious you seem to think that lag switching and dcing before the match has really even started are ok as long as you're a killer.

If you can't handle a Hex totem getting destroyed early then this isn't the game for you since you have no problem if t doesn't get destroyed and you get to use it.

@CallMeRusty420

Just to be clear I understand the survivors dcing and again I don't agree with it just as i don't agree with killers dcing. This is especially true if the match has only gone a short time and you can still affect the outcome by getting hooks etc.

But some want to keep trying to equate absolute cheating with dcing which while both are against the rules one if much more highly detrimental.

did i claim that they where ok? no i didn't, DCing to affect the outcome of a match is cheating, it allows the other survivor to get an escape that they otherwise wouldn't have by breaking the rules
you can also still win if you are slugged as the second to last person, it isn't an impossible situation
if you can't handle getting slugged then this isn't the game for you since you have no problem not getting slugged

@yeet said:

did i claim that they where ok? no i didn't, DCing to affect the outcome of a match is cheating, it allows the other survivor to get an escape that they otherwise wouldn't have by breaking the rules
you can also still win if you are slugged as the second to last person, it isn't an impossible situation
if you can't handle getting slugged then this isn't the game for you since you have no problem not getting slugged

Did I ever say I can't handle slugging, no I didn't but yet another failed insult attempt from you, you're getting desperate and dcing isn't cheating.

No matter how much you want to try and claim it is dcing isn't classified as cheating, is it against the rules yet. Is it cheating in the definitions no.

Cheating is considered modifying the game files, lag switching to give yourself an unfair advantage by manipulating the games performance itself. Cheating would also be using MLGA to know who's who in the lobby.

If you can't handle the truth and these simple facts this most definitely isn't the game for you.

@RSB said:
The last time I complained about it, the most ######### and biased survivors went in my thread and started shitting everywhere. And they are here, what a coincidence.

PS. They use bots to add themselves vote ups and awesomes, so you can actually know them by it.

Ah yes the typical response when you have nothing else but insults and no actual facts to back up your claims. But hey if people are upvoting you they must be bots doing so using your logic right?

@Thetruth said:
SasukeKun said:

@CallMeRusty420 said:

From reading the comments it's ironic how all these people are trying to justify DCing to let someone else get the hatch by saying it isn't cheating or that they refuse to 'play' that game. In reality it is cheating because you are affecting the outcome of the match by intentionally disrupting the natural flow of the game and that's final. It's a scummy move. If you're being slugged, just wait it out and bleed out. I know it's boring and not the most exciting part of the game but it's part of the game. Just deal with it and move on.

^ This, i was about to say the same thing, it's DCing no matter how you square it. You have a bleed out timer, nobody is held hostage, just because you're down while the killer searches for the last person doesn't make it right. DC=DC

It is right. No hostage holding.

being slugged is not being held hostage bucko, there is a bleedout timer

@RSB said:

Wasn't talking about you, but I agree, you should be added to that list.

You just proved my point about being hypocritical again, when you don't like what's posted but it gets upvotes it's a bot.

But when you post something someone else doesn't like and you get upvotes it's not a bot, but go ahead and add me to this list of people you can't debate.

I do agree that there's someone the forum on both sides that just like to post flame war stuff.

@powerbats said:

@yeet said:

@Thetruth said:

It is right. No hostage holding.

being slugged is not being held hostage bucko, there is a bleedout timer

The only way you'd call it hostage taking is where we discussed this before with the killer repeatedly picking you up and dropping you.

If they see the other person and go after them or know hey he's close I'll go look for him it's not hostage taking.

After the third drop, you wiggle free. Still not hostage taking.

Edited in both responses and forgot to specify what I was referring to so sorry for not being more clear about what I meant.

@Orion said:

The only way you'd call it hostage taking is where we discussed this before with the killer repeatedly picking you up and dropping you.

If they see the other person and go after them or know hey he's close I'll go look for him it's not hostage taking.

After the third drop, you wiggle free. Still not hostage taking.

@yeet said:

they can't be held hostage this way because of the automatic wiggle out

I was referring to where i'd discussed not sure if you were in that thread where the killer wouldn't actually hook you but kept picking me up and chasing me.

The other match was the killer would wait until I had a crow then drop me and carry me around and if I didn't wiggle they'd simply carry me everywhere.

If I wiggled free they'd simply chase and down me then rinse and repeat.

@powerbats said:
Edited in both responses and forgot to specify what I was referring to so sorry for not being more clear about what I meant.

@Orion said:

The only way you'd call it hostage taking is where we discussed this before with the killer repeatedly picking you up and dropping you.

If they see the other person and go after them or know hey he's close I'll go look for him it's not hostage taking.

After the third drop, you wiggle free. Still not hostage taking.

@yeet said:

they can't be held hostage this way because of the automatic wiggle out

I was referring to where i'd discussed not sure if you were in that thread where the killer wouldn't actually hook you but kept picking me up and chasing me.

The other match was the killer would wait until I had a crow then drop me and carry me around and if I didn't wiggle they'd simply carry me everywhere.

If I wiggled free they'd simply chase and down me then rinse and repeat.

it would still be possible to juke the killer and escape in this situation

@powerbats said:

@Orion said:

Stop running, go make yourself a sandwich, report that ######### afterward.

The one i laughed at because maxed out on points since they wanted to make me suffer by dragging the game out.

The 2nd one I did report because it was obvious what was going on and they were trying to force me to dc, they waited until I got my 3rd crow and was seconds from dying to hook me.

@yeet said:

it would still be possible to juke the killer and escape in this situation

I was injured in both cases and it was a Wraith both times and both of them used the Windstorm exploit before they fixed it with the patch.

it is still possible, being held hostage is when there is truly no way for you to humanly progress the game, eg being blocked in the basement of survivors standing in exploit spots where you cannot hit them

@powerbats said:
@Origin @yeet The discussion made me think of something and perhaps it's already been discussed before. There wa sa thread it might've been @Nickenzie where a bleed out option was discussed allowing the survivor to bleed out quicker.

Now currently if the survivor bleeds out the killer gets nothing so it behooves them to get that hook in quicker but for survivors sitting there for 3 minutes is annoying as well.

So how about this idea that benefits both sides similar to the bleed out idea in that one thread.

The survivor can choose to increase their bleed out and kill themselves faster so if it's normally 3 minutes it's now 1 and 1/2 minutes instead.

If they're on a 30 second timer well now it's 15 seconds instead and so on and this ends the frustration for the survivor. For the killer they get to decide what to do much quicker but also have to decide what's more important now.

Bonuses to both sides idea.

For the killer, if a survivor decides to bleed out quicker then they have a debuff added to them similar to the broken status effect but this is an exhaustion effect.

If they get healed up they have an exhaustion status effect and their blood drops and cries of pain are 25% bigger and louder.

This is the trade off for going this route for the survivor, you take a chance you won't get rescued in order to force the killer to either go further away looking or come closer.

As a bonus if you bleed out and the last survivor makes it out successfully you get a bonus to blood points awarded post trial.

For the killer you get a death bonus for the survivor dying trying to let the other person out if you kill the other survivor. If you get the other person you get 2x the bonus instead of the normal bonus for killing them.

This is the killers reward for taking the risky action of letting that person bleed out and possibly getting nothing for 2 survivors instead of nothing for just one.

Note: This definitely needs some tweaking since it's based upon only 10 minutes of thought.

There was a thread with a similar suggestion. Long story short, I agree with this in theory, as long as there's some way to objectively verify that the Killer has no intention of hooking anyone and nobody can get back up. Otherwise, you'd just have Survivors doing this to troll each other (let's not pretend it doesn't happen) or to get out of the trial faster without DCing.

As a killer main I think slugging is a legitimate tactic for creating map pressure and getting that 4k in the end. I don't slug very often unless I get the inkling that one of the survivors have no intention doing gens and are patiently waiting for the other survivors to die so they can get the hatch in which case I would do everything in my power to stop that as I feel they don't deserve it. If one of the down survivors sacrifice all their points for someone else to get the hatch than so be it, like that's allot of points they just threw away. At least the game will end quickly because of that assuming the last survivor knows where the hatch is.

Disconnecting is a bit much for it but I don't mind killing myself on the hook to give the other person a chance. Better than dragging out a match that is more than likely ending in a hatch play anyway.

chemical_reject said:

SasukeKun said:

@chemical_reject said:
SasukeKun said:

I hope you all get banned for it. So stupid and frustrating after securing yourself a win to some salty survivors who can't lose.

So u take it that only a 4K = win. Sounds like ur the salty one. Take ur 3K and move on. 

After i spent all game winning and earned the 4k? "i'm not letting him get the hook on me" dc's "take your 3k". I'm salty? LOL

You are not entitled to a 4K, no matter how much you THINK you deserve it . 

You are not entitled to a free hatch, no matter how much you THINK you deserve it .  

Tzeentchling9 said:

Not a whole lot of options sometimes though.
https://youtu.be/ykWUO14RsLc

Tried to play it out fair, but the killer was too sweaty.

Here's where I think the problem is with this. 
As a killer, if I see someone running through my traps obviously on purpose, then TEABAGGING me as I get the hit, I immediately know that something hinky is going down. It's pretty obvious that you're trying to give the hatch. If it was me, and you didn't teabag at me? Hook, hatch, end of match. But you decided to BM. Courtesy is going out the window.