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Oh look, another player confusing the killer screwing up out of pure chance with them actually outplaying because of skill
There's no outplay in what you do because there's no information/feedback on what the killer is doing.
It feels good to survive, but that's not an outplay. And I really doubt that out of "hundreds" of games vs spirit they all went this flaulessly. Either those spirits adapted, or they were bots, or you're talking #########
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What bugs me is people complain that it's a good Spirit that's always winning. Shouldn't the player with the more skill win? What about the bad Spirits? The ones who constantly swing and think their out phase attack has infinite distance. People only remember the good ones because they lost.
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I have played at least 100 games against Spirit or more, some normal, some Stridor. I have done fine and I have won over half of those but not every single one. Do I come to the threads to get mad about it though? No. Because I genuinely like the place Spirit is at. People wanna nerf her on the off chance they find a good one.
But the player's skill determines whether they should lose or not. @Bradyguy99 explains this better in their comment. It's a mixture of a guessing game and what perks you run. But people make the argument they don't wanna run two perks (Fixated and Iron Will) on the off chance they face Spirit.
Same with people who don't wanna run Calm Spirit. If Spirit does get a nerf, she'll most likely be in the same position as Nurse where almost no one plays her. The people who adapted to their play style with Spirit have to change that because a handful of survivors wanna throw a fit when something doesn't go their way.
Once you learn to counter her, congrats, but Hillbilly just got a nerf, and two perks were buffed. If they change Spirit then this game has no hope of survival.
Because they decided to appeal to a whiny group of people who didn't survive. Sorry if that comes off as harsh, but it's true.
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Fixated and Iron Will can counter pretty well. But if you don't wanna run those two perks that's completely fine. Doesn't mean she still can't be countered. I just hate people basically summing up their argument as they want to survive. Yeah, surviving is nice, but it's also nice not to have every killer nerfed where the game is unplayable.
Legion, Nurse, Hillbilly, Ghostface, and some other killers have all been nerfed thanks to survivors whining that they can't win. Some survivors and killers actually gave feedback on how they could be more balanced, but the devs appeal to the group that wants the killer to be unplayable, or easy to counter for the "GG ez" win.
But if the devs don't appeal to those whiny survivors, they stop playing the game. And that's not the so called "good for business" I mean you lost the whiny people, but you still have those who genuinely like the game and provide good feedback.
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yh i guess thats fair actually but if they were to change her which at some point they are going to do if they dumpster her the backlash they would get would probably be enough for them to revisit her
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I am glad you said this, cuz I don't want Spirit to end up how Nurse did. The devs have done so many killers wrong and I feel bad for killers cuz of it
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i do want a change because no killer should have a power where its just a 50/50 guess all of the time
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That is true, I personally find the guessing fun. But others only want her nerfed for an easy win. So I think her moving stuff while phasing, such as grass or corn, would be a good counter. It helps to make guesses more accurate. What do you think?
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you literally need a good headset and basic killer knowledge in order to excel with spirit
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the reason most people want her reworked is because when playing survivor players want to use their experience and game knowledge in order to feel like your actually outplaying the killer but often with spirit it feels like "i shoulda just guessed better" i think the best way to go would be either a full rework or something to her basepower idk but she does need a change, spirit in her current state is not healthy for the game
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I have talked about this before but.... I do have a good headset. And I don't want to sound entitled, but I think I have basic killer knowledge at the very least.
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I wouldn't say a full rework as it can possibly put her in the same situation as Nurse. But I also wouldn't say she's overpowered. Personally yes she does need a slight tweak for newer players. But if it's red ranks playing against her then most of them are able to hold their own, but some people still can't. So if they added something that helps with the guessing a bit that could help.
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I think they meant in general, because you made a list of things for a killer. But for some Killers you do need a good headset you do need to have a basic understanding of how killer works. So it's not just you specifically it's just in general.
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So he wanted to add those points to the list? I'm kinda lost right now.
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Yeah, most likely. Because it is true that with Spirit you need a good headset, especially on Stridor Spirit. And you need basic killer knowledge, because well, it explains itself.
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Maybe I got confused because yeah, you need basic killer knowledge with every killer lol.
Decent headset.... Depends.
Before, I had a regular stereo headset, now I have a virtual 7.1 headset. It's true that it adds more directions, but it's kinda the same. As long as you are not playing DbD on speakers or regular and casual "headsets" you are good (I'm not a native speaker, so it doesn't come to my mind the exact term, but I'm talking about those little speakers that you put in your ears with cables, you know).
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I be ok with this better then what dev may do sadly
I play her with out headset just tv speakers and I don't use stride.
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My earbuds that I connect to my phone go brrrrr cuz I won't have a headset til' winter, speaking about the topic though, I hope one of the forum mods read through this thread, because I came up with a way that can help people guess where Spirit goes.
Make it to where, while phasing the grass, corn, ect. Move a tad. But not enough for it to be seen across the map, but enough for people to have a basic idea where they go. It forces them to stay on their toes and keep their senses heightened. You think Spirit is performing a fake out? Guess what look around the environment and see if something is moving.
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I am glad you agree, because it'll help counter fake outs and people don't have to guess unless it's in an open area, it's a pretty fair trade off to be honest. Better than her being nerfed to where there is only the rare occasion being put against her here and there.
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I heard that Iron Will is pretty useless against her if she has Stridor. Fixated I can see it helping a bit, but not if the Killer is smart and or has the glasses add-on (I believe that’s the one that lets you track blood).
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so?
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It's just a good combo on the off chance it isn't a Stridor Spirit. I'll have to go to the custom match lobby to check my Spirit (I don't play her, I just have all the DLCs) and check the add-on. But I did make a few suggestions on how they coulda sorta nerf Spirit if they were to, that way she doesn't get destroyed like Nurse.
I suggested just make it while she's phasing, she affects stuff in the environment, but not as much as she would if she wasn't phasing. That way people can't complain about being unable to know where she's walking. So the corn map for example, would be a bad map for her, but maps like Springwood would be good for her because it has many houses and open areas.
So if they nerf her, this would be the best route to go so Spirit mains don't have to change their play style.
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so? so what? I'm just saying not everyone play her sweaty like most swf teams how she is can be countered.
reworking or nerf her may just mess her up altogether
I don't want another nurse I mean why most all killers be hard to use where survivor is pretty much dumb easy.
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Alright that's cool just asking.
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Personally every killer should be counterable without perks.
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Saying run x perk is not healthy nor is it a good arguement for a counter to spirit. Sure it works but you shouldn't be forced to run a perk to counter a killer. If I said "run corrupt if you dont want to be genrushed lol" I would be attacked.
Are you new? Old legion definitely needed a nerf it had NO counterplay like actually no counterplay you were going down no matter what. Good nursenplayers have adapted and re learned nurse she can still be strong the only problem she suffers from is the bugs they left her with.
Billy can still 4k and be good people blow this nerf out of proportion sure I hate the cooldown but I can still get kills with him and double engraving flicking is still possible. Ghostface has been buffed you still cant break him out looking at him point blank btw. Name some killers that have been nerfed due to survivors actually right now.
Devs dont appeal to survivors matter in fact it's been nerfs straight from 2018 patch 2.0 name a meaningful buff survivors have gotten since then. I'll wait.
Again the devs dont appeal to survivors and we are still playing. Window and pallet hits are still happening. If you are gonna claim something be ready to back it up.
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I never said Legion didn't need a nurse, he did need a nerve, except the devs ended up nerfing him into oblivion to where barely anyone plays in anymore. Ghostface can still be knocked out of stock mode, except you have to be with any 32 meter radius as well as looking at him with your Survivor eyes not just your camera. There is also a trick with Ghostface where if you can't see his knee when he's crouch stalking you then it's going to be where you have to get closer to him to knock him out of stalk.
I never said survivors didn't get nerfed a lot as well, tool boxes are almost impossible to use now and barely anyone runs them unless they have a sabotage challenge. but so many nurse says happened to Killers recently due to survivors wanting that killer nurse, nurse got nerfed into oblivion and barely anyone plays her either.
I'm not saying all killer nerves stem from survivors whining about it, but most of them do. My brother even said during the first week Ghostface was released that Ghostface was going to be nursed. I was expecting it because that was my first time playing dead by daylight last year.
And you cannot use the argument "you haven't been here long", because it doesn't matter how long you've been playing the game I'm still eligible to make my argument. It's not like I've only been playing the game for 2 months or 1 month, I have put 700+ hours into this game, I know it doesn't seem like a lot to those people who have thousands upon thousands of hours into the game, except I've seen quite a bit to know the situation.
people don't like playing against Spirit or strider spirit because they can be good at the game. And because survivors aren't always winning their matches some of them come to the forms to complain and say that the Killer is overpowered. If you looked at some of my other comment I did agree for newer survivors Spirit does need a way to be seen when she is phase walking, and how I suggested that is when she's running around you can notice the grass or corn moving slightly. She still affects the environment but not as much as she would if she wasn't phase walking.
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Forgot to mention in my original comment, I'm not saying the game is balanced either. The game is far from balanced there is so many issues going on, on both sides, and it makes the game unfun for some people to play. Even if some nurses did adapt to the new nurse, you barely see any of those nurse players. personally I think Spirit doesn't need a counter because she's fine the way she is, but I was looking at some other comments and I'm thinking Spirit will be harder for newer players to face, so I'm not defending the killer as a whole saying that it's easy for new survivors to face off against her, because newer survivors don't know how to counter the Killer is yet. So I do agree she does need some counter play but she doesn't need a full-on nerf to where she's unplayable.
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I have been told multiple times to run corrupt to stop gen rush. Do I or anyone else for that matter attack people? No and I have never seen it
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Legion was nerfed into oblivion he needs a complete power rework but despite that its do much fun playing as him. On top of that it must be regional but I find so many legions when im playing I'm taling 2-3 legions in a row. Ghost face is weird I'll have my character model stare at him and still be exposed other times I'll break him out through a wall the devs have failed to make him more consistent. I'm also talking like in his face.
Nurse did need her nerf omega blink was broken and the fact that you had barely any window after fatigue was terrible. You would instantly get back 2 blinks. The survivor barely has any time to get anywhere. Survivors whining isnt getting killers gutted it's the killers powers just being outdated and needing to be reqorked. Except billy, billy didnt deserve that :(
Ghost face had zero nerfs iirc he had a buff because now you need to look at him with the center of your screen and he has solid perks honestly.
I didnt understand your first statement my bad usually a new player survivor or killer has some insane claims. You have put the time in the game so I'm not gonna disregard your opinions.
Definitely some survivors say killers are op which Is out weird. Even spirit isnt op shes annoying but far from op. She becomes close with mother daughter ring and the amulet but that's just an add on problem. She moves no environment during phase she needs that itll make her better. I personally just want a tell when shes phasing louder footsteps and environment to be moved. That way I can use my senses to find po ut where she is and capitalize on it.
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That was exaggerated I meant li km e multiple killer mains telling me off. I mean it's happened before so it's not farfetched.
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Ah yes because one or 2 individuals are representative for an entire group
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I'm not saying it represents all killer mains but on this forum it's still likely some killer mains here just don't like survivors.
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Thank you for having actual conversation with me instead of just getting mad at me for my opinion. I will admit Ghostface does need to be worked on because he is inconsistent like you have said. And I will not disregard what you said about Nurse being overpowered with Omega blinks. I just wish she didn't get Nerf the way she did because now she's filled to the brim with bugs that still haven't been worked on.
but back to the main topic of this post if the devs do so happen to look through this thread I hope they take into consideration what you recommended with hearing her footsteps it would I recommended with her still moving the environment even while phase walking.
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Yes, I had a topic up about a month ago where I discussed some things with other Survivors who found her unfun and unbalanced. A lot of them said they just want an indicator implemented that lets people know when she’s phasing. However, I can tell when Spirit is phasing in CERTAIN outfits. Her skin gets all glittery and static looking but I was informed that not all of her skins have that effect. I can definitely stand behind having that placed in the game.
Edit: Don’t know why it quoted you twice. DBD Forums hates me.
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Regardless of if she's counterable or not, she's unfun to go against. Personally I don't like trying to outplay something I cannot see.
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to be honest I think the forums hate everyone when they try and submit something. Sometimes I can try and submit something and then it just doesn't send.
But back on the main topic, because I don't want this thread being closed, I feel like an indicator would be good for newer players who have yet to learn how to counter The Spirit.
someone else had a idea for an indicator, which would be making her footsteps slightly louder because right now they're really hard to hear. So combo this with her still moving the environment while phasing, that would be really useful to new players.
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If you read through some other comments that have been put, I suggested and so did @azame a way for her to still be "visible" without actually seeing her, such as moving the environment while she is phase walking and her footsteps can be louder that way your two senses of sight and hearing can still be useful.
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While you dont get everybody is complaining about killer you can not counter, i dont get how you can defend those kind of killer.
Lets check out the Nurse for example. Some funny people come up with silly ideas that she is counterable by using Los blocker. Technically, this is true, because it might increases the chance that she ######### up. But what if she does not ######### up and actually plays well? If that is the case, your theoretical counter just becomes a big useless fart and all you have is distance between you and the Nurse which can only achieved by holding shift and W.
Same with Spirit. All your "counters" are just some random attemps you can do in hope the killer is doing a mistake. If she plays perfect, you are dead, no matter if you played it perfect or not. Thats why everybody says there is "no counter" because technically you can not do anything if the killer plays perfect, no matter how well you do as survivor. Pretty easy to understand, right?
Slinger is also kinda the same #########. You can not dodge a Deathslinger, no matter how good you are, but then some people come here and talk about counterplay in a chase while it is not even theoretically possible.
EDIT: And before the nonsense discussion is going again in the obvious nonsense direction: YES you can win against spirit, even Nurse, but it is extremly boring, annoying, frustrating, flat out bullshit. Runsing Gens vs super fast killspeed is the worst possible scenario in a game like this.
We want exciting chases, as a killer and as a survivor. Against Spirit for example, it is not the slightest. Everybody who says they are exciting never plays against really good spirit or prefere hiding the whole game.
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saying you play spirit without a headset is like saying you play billy but dont use the saw to get downs, its not sweaty to use the power properly
and killer will always be harder than survivor not saying either side is easy but when you play killer your mistakes will have a lot more impact than when your playing survivor playing killer shouldn't be easy you should be forced to learn to play a killer that will excel to such a degree as spirit your saying you want a killer that is as strong as nurse but requires such a low skill cap that you dont need it to be a challenge
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From what people have replied with me with, some say she can't be countered, while others say they don't like to try and counter what they can't see. And so I came up with a way they can fix that if you took the time to read through the comments that weren't just about counters. She can move stuff in the environment such as corn, grass, ect.
@azame had a good idea of being able to hear her footsteps. But you only cherry picked some parts of my argument some people have already pointed out and I discussed with them.
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if all killer have high skill cap no one would play killer and only time survivor is hard is when your solo and you got dumb teams killer makes one mistake and it pretty much over but with survivor can make many mistakes and still win the game remember this 4vs1 killer shouldn't be super hard.
also spirit not easy to use I got 0k and 1k with her not best killer also you say(saying you play spirit without a headset is like saying you play billy but dont use the saw to get downs, its not sweaty to use the power properly)its not sweaty to use the power properly? so using headset is use the power properly,is swf with discord(any chat thing) playing survivor properly?
I don't think you know what your talking about I bet your also the reason killers run noed I bet you don't touch a totem unless it lit.
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I mean as someone who plays both sides and a lot of spirit I kinda agree with the survivors on this one she doesn’t have a counter it’s all guessing and even if you guess right her power gets her all the distance back in 2 seconds plus you never juke a spirit she just messed up her power a good one will hit you then within a couple seconds have you on the ground
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Me too bro you are a reasonable person I appreciate this conversation we had. Nurse needs ot be looked st asap though. those bugs are terrible.
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Thank you for making this thread.
In the past, I have sometimes made postings and tell that are survivors out there that know how to counter killer XYZ, even if the common mindset is, that they are unbeatable.
Some survivors really need to learn that it takes sometimes a bit of praxis to learn the counters, after my opinion. They shouldn't always flee to the social media plattforms and instead just getting better.
And before now some survivor main rushes up in anger towards me - the same counts for killers in similar situaitons.
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I agree with you, she does need fixed a bit, especially for new players who don't know how to play against her. So I suggested a way to fix that, just check the third page of the thread. But most the arguments I see are braindead with people just wanting her nerfed practically saying, "I didn't survive, so x killer needs nerfed"
But I do understand where you are coming from, I am not disregarding it.
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So the discussion now shifted from "no counterplay" to "lets find ways that Spirit actually has counterplay" during those 4 pages? If so then you should mention that in your first posting because obviously i am not reading 4 pages when the first posting has a very direct and clear statement in it which has nothing to do with "lets find interesting mechanics"
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No worries, I see that when killers try to defend themselves, majority are called "entitled killer main" so I feel if they hear from a survivor perspective, it can help address some things.
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Spirit doesn't have a lot of counterplay, and even then the counterplays is hard to perform, I will admit. Because there is a 5/10 chance you'll be able to perform a counterplay properly, but most people want Spirit nerfed as a whole instead of taking the time to realize some things can be changed without nerfing her to the point you get an easy win every game. Ya know?
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Oh yeah too many players do that because of one bad game everything the killer or survivor ran must be nerfed I feel like she shouldn’t get a nerf at all yet until they fix every other killer because if they do that what will anyone play? Most killers are too weak with the bad map designs and gen speeds
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