Clown and other low tiers discussion

I would agree for the most part, I dont think hes quite as bad as some say hence why I do myself think that he is underated but he is definitely one of if not the weakest killer in the game.

Clown need buffs yes, it's pretty underwhelming.

Clown is in the same general bucket of most killers who can win if you outplay the survivors but don't have the extended map presence to make up for errors and respond quickly to situations that aren't near him. The top killers (Spirit, Nurse, Freddy, and to a lesser extent Hag and Billy) all have ways to respond to survivors across the map quickly and an ability that makes chases more time efficient. (Hag doesn't actually chase per se but she instead gets hits primarily by trap triggers which are time efficient once the survivors need to start going into her web of traps to do gens.)

In terms of chases, Clown is maybe the best chaser out of the 115% movement speed killers. The newly buffed Bubba is also extremely dangerous in a chase now. The killers who I would say are better than Clown in chases are not 115% movement speed (Spirit, Nurse and Huntress. Deathslinger is about on par with Clown, he's better than Clown in the open but Clown is stronger at loops.) Clown's issue is that being excellent at a chase is all he has. He's slightly better at the chase than, say, Doctor or Freddy but both of them have other abilities that more than make up the difference overall (Doctor's tracking is amazing while Freddy can teleport around the map).

P.S. And before someone replies that "Freddy is better in chases than Clown", he's not. Freddy and Clown slow survivors by the same amount and Clown can beat survivors using gas at virtually the exact same loops that Freddy can beat survivors using snares. And as of the Silent Hill patch Clown moves full speed while throwing bottles just like Freddy moves full speed while dropping snares. But Freddy's snares only work on sleeping survivors while Clown's gas works on everyone, and Clown can throw gas in front of survivors during a chase to cut them off from getting to loops in the first place while Freddy has to drop snares right next to himself. As I mentioned above, what makes Freddy better than Clown isn't chases, it's that Freddy can teleport across the map and also doesn't have to reload his snares between chases while Clown has to spend 5 seconds reloading after every chase or two.

He's pretty awful. Freddy is everything Clown has and lots more. They kinda took his identity away as well with the Freddy rework.

Killers either need high map mobility/pressure or extremely strong in 1v1. One of these gets them just to around mid-upper mid tier depending on how good their other features are. All the high tier killers actually have both of these features.

Clown doesn't have map mobility or pressure and while his 1v1 is strong, it's not nearly as strong as it needs to be for it being his only one strength.

Clown is better at dropped pallets than most killers. Any pallet loop that Freddy can easily beat Clown can also beat, he just starts going around the loop and puts gas on both sides the same as Freddy would putting down snares and looping. Or, if the pallet is safe, he can throw gas across the pallet to slow the survivor right before he breaks the pallet, which slows them down in their attempt to gain distance while the pallet breaks.

There are some killers who are better at dropped pallets than Clown: Spirit, Nurse and Huntress in particular. But all three of those are only 110% movement killers so Clown has the edge in terms of general movement speed outside of that.

I'm not sure why you mentioned Wraith here but I agree that Wraith is weak at pallets. His strength is doing hit and run tactics to ambush survivors and get quick hits from short distance before a proper chase can get underway.

Clown used to be worse than Pre-Rework Freddy in my opinion.

The removal of his slowdown when throwing a bottle was a MUCH needed buff since before his power actually worked against him outside of loops. (You throw a bottle ahead of survivor, you slow down about as much as the survivor does)

Currently I still think clown needs improvements or a whole new secondary power. His mobility is non-existent and his power can be countered by camping or dropping pallets early.

Clown is a little underrated, but still really bad. A killer can't be both non-lethal and immobile in the current meta. He does have some advantages in the 1v1 over killers like Freddy, Doctor, LF, etc., but there's no reason you would ever take him over them.

Doctor does 80% of what Clown can do at loops, and you get the best tracking in the game without having to devote perks to it.

Freddy does 90% of what Clown can do at loops, and you get good mobility, game stall, some stealth with his lullaby, and some anti-stealth due to the outline of dream state survivors.

LF has a very easy to use instadown and chews through map resources like crazy.

There's nothing Clown does that is so much better than the other M1 killers that you would take Clown.

Clown is fun to play, IMO, but also incredibly frustrating. If I were to rework him one of the first things I would start with is a faster reload time. His current reload is way too slow.

Maybe make his gas cause exhaustion as a stock effect, not an add-on. Just a thought.

Gen defense, on the other hand, I have no idea how to fix that.

If you hate playing Clown that much why did you play 30 games in a row with them? Are you just trying to grind out one of his perks or something?

Ok one last thing, the matches i bring Sulphuric Acid Vial instead of Sloppy, guessing I should just swap it (sloppy) for deerstalker/distressing for that match? Again thanks so much for your time.

I think he's the next rework as well.