The 2nd game in BOTB tourney shows how unbalanced DBD is at top-level play

here here so true

don't forget the 3 gens too

I doubt any killer thinks oh cool 2 survivors escaped and probably pipped, good draw. Those two survivors who escaped 100% view that as a win for themselves, they could care less about the other two survivors who died because they themselves won and beat the killer.

I'm not saying every killer deserves a 4k, I'm just saying the rhetoric of 2k 2 escape is fair really isn't. It is only fair for survivors, killers gain nothing from this.

Bro some of the survivors literally weren't even looking behind them

Errr.... Alright, let's put this another way. The survivors are a team consisting of 4 players, the killer is a team consisting of one player. If two survivors escape, and the killer gets 2 kills then each team completed half of their objective. Sounds like a draw, doesn't it?

This situation is OBJECTIVELY a draw. If a survivor thinks they won because they escaped or if a killer thinks they lost because they killed only 2 survivors then that opinion is SUBJECTIVE.

If we went with your logic though, the 2 survivors who lose will view it as a lost match. If two survivors "lose" and two survivors "win", then what does that give you?

And lastly, why would you care about a singular survivor's opinion, anyways? Survivors, as a team only win if 3+ survivors escape.

Because survivors view themselves as a team when it benefits them, such as SWF, yet they also want the 1v1 against the killer.

I can tell you when I play solo queue as survivor If I can save my teammates great, if I was the only one who escaped great, I beat the killer and could care less about the other survivors. I won, I pipped.

Now of course every killer won't think this way, or even care. However what I am saying is overall, the "draw" rhetoric only benefits survivors. It does not benefit killers at all.

If as a killer you work your ass off against 4 ds, 4 adrenaline, 4 borrowed times, and 4 unbreakables and you barely get 2 kills and 2 survivors escape. Those 2 survivors won, they beat you, that killer does not think that was a "draw", that was a loss.

Again. Subjective opinion. If you escape in solo queue, good for you. But if two other survivors die, then you AS A TEAM have a draw.

And as killer, you are the type of person who thinks the glass is half empty, don't you? Let me tell you, if I got two kills against a good team with 4 DS/unbreakable/BT, then personally I would see it as a WIN, not as a LOSS.

But then again, that's only my opinion. Objectively, looking at the game's perspective, 2k/2e is a draw.

Subjectivity vs objectivity. It's all there is to it, really.

Then DBD is the wrong game for you. I would suggest playing a game with less RNG if you want to "win regardless of what it is".

Well, survivors also have two losers. What about it?

I'll just throw my hat in here as well. To me if 3+ survivors escape, when I'm playing killer that's a loss. When 2 survivors escape, and 2 survivors die that's a draw. And when I kill 3+ survivors that's a win.

I don't care that a survivor thinks they won despite 3 teammates dying and they got a free escape through the hatch. The way it sounds from how you are describing it, as long as a single survivor escapes you'll never get a win when you are playing killer. That's pretty ridiculous to me. But half of the survivors dying and half escaping means that in your logic 2 think they lost, and 2 think they won. As a team which it's a team game that is a draw.

Nurse wasnt nerfed because God Nurses, she was nerfed because Omega 5-blink Nurses, which were very common and not that hard to play since you had 5 tries at hitting the Survivor also she had an even better proxy camping potential than Demogorgon.

Okay. By the same logic the two survivors that died also think "Oh darn, I lost, I hope I escape the next match". And what? I bet the survivors who escape would be happy and the survivors who die would be unhappy. Doesn't change anything at all...

That is why, and I say it for the nth time, OBJECTIVELY the survivors should be viewed as a team. And if only half of the team escapes then it is a draw. Capiche?

I mean I can get a 4k, but because a survivor kills themselves too early, or I'm using a killer who has one shots. I might not pip as a killer. Pipping honestly shouldn't be taken into account at all imo.

Also in my view you shouldn't really pip as a killer for getting a 2k. Pipping should be reserved for when you do dominate and do exceptionally well. That's if the pipping system actually did it's job and worked correctly, which it doesn't. As it's a draw. A lot of ranking systems with draws barely have you go up, but you don't go down. Survivors it's way easier to pip than killer. Unless the killer sucks and you escape and sometimes de-pip, or just black pip because you just did objectives and left. Not really the survivors fault that they never got chased, and never got to unhook anyone because the killer couldn't catch the survivor, or was afk in the basement.

Long story short, using pip system to base off wins is really faulty in my views. Ideally if you 2 hooked everyone, everyone in the whole match should pip or black pip at worst. Due to how long the game went on and how many chases/unhooks were made. The did you kill 3+ or did you 3+ escape should really determine victory. With 2 being balanced and a draw. No individual survivor actually thinks they can 1v1 a killer by doing all of the gens and escaping the game all by their selves. If they say they can they are trolling. They know it's a team game that survivors play.

Precisely. I agree with that. The pipping system, itself, does not reflect the Devs' stance that a 2k/2 escape is a balanced match ending in a draw.

As is typical here, the in-game system design does not reflect what they state. Using Pips as an indicator is simply flawed right now.

Yeah, I know the 5 blink and omega nurses were a separated thing (Omega was range, 5blink speaks for itself) is a way of speaking and I didnt state she needed to camp, just said it was freakishly easy to proxy camp with her as you rescued someone she could go back near the hook in seconds, get fatigued and have all her blinks again, even easier than proxy camping with Demogorgon (I just compared their proxy camping capabilities, not the whole package as Killers).

The problem with both iterations of busted addons Nurses were even in regular hands they were very strong either by having way too many second chances at a hit and being almost impossible to disengage or having godlike pressure. Obviusly an average 5blink Nurse would have a hard time getting hits against extremely good Survivors, but against average Survivors she was devastating.

2 escape, 2 kill never made much sense anyway. I mean for one, this result implies that all 5 generators and exit gates are powered every match, otherwise, how else would two survivors escape without a key. by this standard, it means survivor always wins and the killer is just a pawn for survivors amusement, a dark road to not talk about.

survivor's emblem system is individual performances based so as long you hit all the checks, you can never "lose" if your good but escaping as whole is team effort and that isn't really reflected in pips for survivor. My guess is so that survivors are not punished for getting a bad team in solo queue and it makes so that if you die early as survivor, you get instantly the result so you can move on to your next match. The side effect is that after like 2nd week, everyone who plays survivor regularly and wins more than they lose will be rank 1 because you ** can't ** depip(lose) because emblem system does not properly reflect winning/losing from team perceptive of the game.

When comes to killer side, it does properly reflex individual performance, but it punishes hook suicides/mori/dc on 3rd emblem for killer because you can't hook someone 3 times if they die instantly and it does not consider instant downs as separate hits towards chaser emblem(4th emblem for killer) and again, because you can draw from 2 kills/2 escapes, even if you face good survivor teams, you'll never derank even when you technically lost.

The tournament has its own funny scoring, so its fascinating that nobody can really decide a win condition. I wonder if they'll ever fix emblem system reflect winning and losing or perhaps its better that no such competition exists.

😮 how does someone misspell balanced as "ballenced"? I just tried to misspell it a dozen times and couldn't.

"That is how in my opipion balancing should be done balance the top"..😮😯

Your "opipion"? Sweet baby Jesus do all Geordies have to fit the Geordie stereotype?

I can't keep on track with this argument with all these well written statements to work through 😧...I'm pretty stupid so I have to read things out loud and I'm making no sense when I hear myself 😢