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i dont get why people think this way...
a lot of the time on the "X killer has no counterplay" posts where i see people respond with "ah thats because you cant run them for "121021020121201288 minutes" when its not about how long you can loop them you can have fun chases that last 20 seconds and still be interactive for both sides, and thats something you cant have versing a lot of killers now because theyre counterplay involves zero skill to pull off
rant over
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It's a typical response designed to shut down conversation because they don't have a legitimate response.
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Do Bones ☠
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Because that's their power, ending chases quickly. Take away that and they have nothing. Not every killer is meant to be loop machine. Some are meant to be played stealthy around.
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It's usually due to most of them having a lack of empathy or knowledge of the other side. They don't see it as a problem because they don't have to deal with it. In their eyes these killers are fine and they're ok with survivors having a miserable experience. Goes both ways, sort of, but you get the idea.
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That and "just git gud lol".
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It's because they assume that it means survivors just want the killer to be straight up nerfed with no compensation. They likely feel this way after seeing Billy and Nurse being nerfed this way. Anways I would hope this isn't what survivors actually want though. Take Deathslinger for example. He has terrible map pressure. Sure he's great at 1v1 chases, but he really lacks map pressure. Personally I'm all for giving him more counterplay as long as survivors are cool with compensating him in some other way. Idk what Bhvr would do exactly but he needs better map pressure.
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killers like huntress billy and oni are all killers that are hard to be looped and still fun and viable against good teams
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They don't have real counters to those arguments because they know there's none.
So they resort to saying the same useless things over and over again.
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The simple answer? Because it isn't about the counterplay at all, it's about getting the last word in and 'winning' at forums. Just like most posts when one side has a suggestion or complaint about the other side.
Kinda sad really.
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maps are too large and tiles are too safe. The problem with your argument is that it doesn't address why killer powers need to be as strong as they are. There's a reason why m1 killers with no mobility are so trash at this game. There's also a reason why splitting up and doing gens counters every killer in the game and counters the best players in the game.
You somehow think that the survivor game revolves around chases, when the objective of survivors is to do gens and then escape. You just have the wrong viewpoint on the objective of the game.
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Killer Mains like that think the only thing fun about DBD is looping, at least on the survivor side.
The game isn't about looping, there are so many available and adjacent play styles instead of looping.
But it's in their mindset that, well, "this killer is the only one I can play, why do you want a change!!!!"
Again, not every killer is like this, but, there certainly isn't a small number of entitled players in the community.
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Thing is, the counter to slinger is to Genrush and because of his awful pressure he can't do much about it. Gen-rushing is also incredibly unfun for both sides. Alternatively you could stealth around, and while this could be fun to survivors (it certainly is to me) it's really unfun for killers. It's just unfun counters to unfun things which is the opposite to what a game should be.
And if you like slinger, cool. All power to you. Just know many people hate them and their reasons are just as legitimate as yours are for liking them
If bhvr were to change slinger his 1v1 should be nerfed heavily and in return, he's made 115% and, idk, can shoot onto objects to grapple onto them and drag himself forward.
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Actually depending on the loop they are extremely loopable. Sharp corners and stuff is their weakness while Huntress can't shoot over high objects. Spirit power is mind games. Remove that and she's just a Blight without the slamming into walls.
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I really like the idea of slinger becoming spiderman and grappling all over the map
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Yea but they have strong points huntress can still get downs in jungle gyms a good oni can shut down any loop in the game and Billy can zone people pretty well at these kind of loops provided they have bam or enduring which most billy's use one of them
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Genrushing is really the only counter against good killers the problem with that is it makes the game unfun for both sides, survivors don't want to hold m1 all game and killers don't want to have one chase end and immediately three gens pop right off the bat , when survivors focus on seperate gens they know it's a done deal
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Yes yes very interactive chases, i think it is super interactive when you can just drop every pallet at first touch to avoid to get the hit and your team just completes gens and the game is over in 4-5 minutes. Super interactive wow!
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You seem like the person to refuse to loop optimally then say survivors boring
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I've seen a lot of these posts do boil down to people mistaking 'counterplay' with preserving their general way of playing.
The main problem with a lot of 'counterless killers' is on the end of their players, and the devs can't really do much about that.
When you have a spirit that barely every phases, all potential counterplay against her's rather void. If you try to loop Deathslinger around low obstacles, good riddance, etc.
There are small tweaks that *can* be done, e.g. disabling spirit's phasing near the hook (if several perks and PH's trench can check how far from a hook something is, so should the phasing) to at least avoid phasecamping.
but overall a lot of these threads boil down to people being unwilling or at least reluctant to change their playstyle depending on the killer they're facing.
Which, on a sidenote, is funny when you see the same people in the threads that bash down new killer/map/modes ideas with 'its a slasher horror game': Would you people SERIOUSLY try to *just* run away from the killer if you were in a horror movie if you'd know the killer can e.g. teleport?
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see i didn't want to see billy or the nurse nerfed my fav killer to go against was prenerf nurse, now its spirit.
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When i play survivor, i do so with friends as too many survivors are in ranks they do not belong in. When the killer can be looped, the game is super easy and practicly comes down to this, throw every pallet, do not get hit there are enough pallets to do so. Also against say an oni this is what you should be doing in the first place in order to deny his power completely.
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Exactly, it'd be better if a lot of the killers people complained about were better at the 1v4 and worse with the 1v1. This is coming from a ph main, but his 1v1 is way too strong, for example.
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So what I took away from this is that you think survivor is easy because killers are bad, yea fair enough
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survivor is easy
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