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Lets talk about hook camping
Personally i dont think staying near the hook for a lil bit is not that bad but face camping is a big no no
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It sucks for the survivor on the hook but if their teammates work on gens instead of crouching around a bush for the full 120 seconds, you actually punish the killer
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just do the gens and the killer get only 1 kill.
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The issue is is that it ruins the experience for the one person, so they don't really have an incentive to struggle to the last drop. I wish there was more collectivism. I'm that Survivor that will struggle to the very end so everyone else can escape. I've even gotten lucky running Comraderie against a face camper lol
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iTz a StRaTeGy hue hue hue
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Yeah it's not fun if you are the one hooked but it's best the other survivors do gens and leave if they are being face camped (especially against a killer great at it like bubba or someone with insta down ready). Do wish if you were hooked and camped you would get more points if your team escapes to make it worth it.
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I dont know why but i dont fell good when someone is being facecamped and all that i can do is to get out, its ######### to how is doing the gens and worst to how is being face camped i thinkk that will be so much easy to just do a check every 5 seconds if the killer isnt 12 meters away the hook time is not going to count unless that if a survival is in chase
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The Killer loses points for standing near a hook + 3 survivor can do 5 gens in 160sec one survivor dies on a hook in 120sec ... if killer camps do your job and go for gens instead of sitting around doing nothing then leave the map...
Dunno about you but when someone facecamps me i just watch otzdarva and smile knowing that he not only loses tons of points but also loses the game just for 1 hook .. slowclap
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Collectivism in this case would be the one survivor taking one for the team and hanging on that hook as long as possible so everyone else can finish the gens and escape.
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Not gonna stop. Same with tunnelling, DS, BT, adrenaline, flashlights and t bagging
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Both is fine. Play as you want always. Gen rush is also fine.
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Unless he is Running noed. Or the team is a solo team.
The biggest problem with hook Camping is that its too effective against solo teams, especially when the killer is Running noed.
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Noed is irrelevant to this conversation. It only triggers after all the generators are powered, and if that has happened the camping aspect is a non-issue. The Killer has to leave the camped person to use the NOED and thus is no longer camping. Do you see what I mean? Do not mix apples and oranges in this discussion.
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Yes I know, that's exactly what I said. I was just pointing out that unfortunately the victim could be more individualistic. And I understand why, because it can be frustrating especially at the start of the match where you got nothing accomplished.
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This is true but unavoidable. Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes he eats you. Face campers are more common in the Newbie Ranks. That Player doesn't know yet that they are giving away the game to get a single kill. Or they are hoping the rest of the team will commit suicide because they had that happen once.
As you progress those Killers become fewer and further apart. It is a rough patch we all go through. It shall pass.
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A killer camps one survivor until they are dead. The argument of why hook camping is not good is that the killer will most likely only get 1 kill. If the killer is running NOED, he is almost guaranteed to get at least 2 kills, one during the match by camping, and 1 during end game.
Even more so now with Undying in the mix as well.
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yes. if the team is trash even bad strategies like hard camping work, so where's the problem? the strategy itself or the team?
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Again, this logic doesn't track. Why would a camper be MORE likely to get extra kills out of Noed? :) If a person is a camper you have ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD to cleanse those Totems. Remember, Noed only triggers at the end of the game, once all the generators are up. The Killer gains insta-down, sure, but you know it might happen. The Killer has no idea what Gate you are going to run to, and if they camped the entire Team is there to make saves and take actions.
People gripe about Noed for no good reason. You do know there are Killers that start and play the whole match with Insta-Down right? It isn't that big a deal. Noed is not the Killer's friend. It takes up a Perk slot, it may never activate if the bones are done or the gates never open, and just because you get insta-down doesn't mean you will catch anyone.
Camping and Noed are TWO DIFFERENT subjects and do not relate to one another at all. Please quit trying to imply that they do. If anything, a camping Killer gives you LESS excuse to whine about Totems because you had more time to deal with them.
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That's bad advice. If you are cleansing totems, you aren't doing gens. Don't cleanse totems, do gens and get out. If they have NOED, it will most likely be a 2 kill anyway if you waste time to cleanse totems to avoid it.
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You think so huh? :) I never told them do Totems before Gens. I say DO BONES. Totems are also a game objective, and more often than not, how quickly you can do Generators is based on the Totems you cleanse. You can trust Red_Beard there and believe I'm giving you bad advice, or you can take it with a grain of salt that if you are facing a camper and have lots of time, do Bones along with your Generators. You get points for every Totem you cleans (they are quick and easy). And you might have the added benefit of shutting down Ruin, Noed, and any number of any other High Risk vs High Yield Killer Perks.
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"more often than not, how quickly you can do Generators is based on the Totems you cleanse." Is there a perk I'm missing that let's you complete gens faster if cleanse a totem? Are you referring to Ruin? Ruin really isn't a problem against a face camper because it only regresses the gen if you aren't doing the gen. So if the killer is face camping, he isn't chasing you off the gen causing it to regress.
I like how the whole deal with you about NOED was it was irrelevant to the conversation for you to then talk about another perk that is irrelevant to the conversation.
You waste a lot of time searching for and cleansing totems. Every second you waste time not completing gens against a face camper is another second gained to him to down some one else and face camp them.
You can trust Moundshroud there and believe I'm giving you bad advice, but don't because I'm not.
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It is irrelevant. NOED has nothing to do with camping, except that Camping Killers give the other Survivors MORE time to do Generators (and potentially Totems). I'm pointing out they are apples and oranges as a topic. In regards to Hexes, Ruin is the MOST COMMON Perk you are going to come across as you advance which can be defeated by doing Bones. Undying is now in the mix, and it is ALSO a Hex which protects things like Ruin. Do you follow? Noed is a Perk that newbie Killers take. I haven't used it in forever. It isn't a good return on my investment. Playing with Noed is playing a Perk DOWN for most of the game. And just because you suddenly get Insta-Down doesn't mean you will be in a position to profit from it.
Noed is beloved by newbie Killers, but fades pretty quickly. It will become even MORE unpopular as Undying starts making the rounds. Undying will make it so everyone will kill any Dull Totem they find. If there are no dull totems at the end of the game, there will be no Noed. You need to learn to look at the BIG PICTURE, but that only comes with time.
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So you are trying to derail the conversation about face camping by talking about perks that may be relevant in a non face camping scenario?
The only picture I should be looking at here is about being a survivor against a face camping killer and giving the best advice I can for inexperienced survivors who come across one, because that is what the thread is about. The answer isn't "Do Bones". That is dumb to do. Forget about bones and do the gens. Once gens are done, get a door opened and leave.
I'm beginning to believe you are a face camping killer intentionally trying to convince survivors that they should waste time and look for and cleanse totems so that you have more time to look for and face camp the rest.
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I just find it annoying when it’s the survivors face camping the person on hook so they die on first or second hook but that won’t stop cuz everytime the killer gets the blame instead of the survivors
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No, I'm not trying to derail anything. Should I get you a doll so you can show us where the bad Killer touched you? :) Face Camping isn't going anywhere. The conversation is simple, i.e. get used to it. Weather it. It gets less frequent as you play against better Killers. Those who camp lose points the closer they are to the hook, lose points as they aren't earning other emblems, and lose other kills as so many other people get their objectives and more will escape. Face Camping is a problem that takes care of itself.
I apologize if my direct, no bs, manner upsets you but those are the facts. Face Camping, normal camping, tunneling, slugging, and the Mori are basic Killer choices and none of them are going away. You will be relieved to know that Face Camping goes away pretty quickly as you advance, and so does Noed.
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And in regards to your advice to do nothing but Generators, again... this is a narrow view which isn't upheld by experience as you advance. Remember there are other Emblems you are trying to earn. Earning Pips and improving in Rank (if that is important to you) becomes harder and harder as you advance. Just doing one thing does not profit you.
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I'm not upset at all but with all of your passive aggressive comments in this reply I would say you are getting a little tilted. I have never once at anytime said I was upset about being face camped, didn't know what the pros and cons were to a killer that face camps or was inexperienced against face campers. These are all things you are assuming and trying to insult me with. Let me recap for you.
Some one said a face camper with NOED guaranteed 2 kills. You said NOED is irrelevant to the conversation because the face camper would need to leave the hook to use it. They replied the face camper gets one kill on the camp and another using NOED in end game. You said NOED is still irrelevant because a camping killer gives you time to "ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD to cleanse the totems". I replied that is bad advice, don't cleanse, do gens. You replied back talking about RUIN. I called you out for talking about an irrelevant perk after you told someone a perk was irrelevant. You double down and include another irrelevant perk "Hex Undying". I told you again the best strategy against a face camping killer is doing gens.
Let me ask you a direct question. Let's say I am an inexperienced survivor running with 3 other inexperienced survivors and I came to the forum to ask what I should do against a face camper. What would be your response?
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No you don't. You have 120 seconds until the guy on the hook dies and the killer finds someone new to stand in front of. You have to use the time the person is being camped to do gens and leave, not run around the map looking for totems.
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Well, as I said before, the other three should earn as many points as they can, completing different objectives Generators and Totems. They earn two different emblems and thus they will earn more points. The person on the hook should milk it for as much time as possible. Don't sac out early. Sometimes you eat the bear and sometime he eats you. You were the unlucky loser on the Price is Right. Hopefully he gets bored of camping and gives someone else a chance to get you. Normally, face campers that start the behavior aren't going anywhere though. They are losers. It is a sick sad word sometimes. Most Killers, who want to get better, grow out of it.
I do apologize if I sounded snarky or passive aggressive to you. I'm pretty direct. As you advance, it will be VERY important to do Bones. I give that advice now. Use extra time bad Killers give you to do Generators AND Bones. You will profit in the long run, and the short run. You will earn more points and Pips, and be ready for when things CHANGE and suddenly you are facing Perks you aren't running into yet.
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I only proxy camp during end game (when all gens are done)
And only then cause I have no reason to leave the hook
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It depends, i.e. is Gen-Rushing your only goal? Face campers aren't giving up very many points. Just Gens and getting out the door doesn't earn you much in the way of emblems. Do you see my point? If all you care about is rushing out the door, sure, go for it. I don't think this is a good long term strategy because the META is bigger than what new Survivors face. It also depends on Rank, do you care about it? You need a variety of achievements each game to earn more different types of emblems. Totems earn a different type of Emblem than Generators. They are easy and quick. Long term, it is a good habit to get into. But you can take my advice or ignore it. I won't be offended. I've been where new Survivors are at so my suggestions are based on where I am now.
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Then again, I say this is bad advice, especially for an inexperienced survivor. Do the gens and get out of the match.
If the killer is face camping because they are inexperienced, they will only get 1 to 2 kills and will learn the strategy doesn't work well. That is the reason it is less prevalent at higher ranks because experienced survivors do the gens and leave. Or they are good enough to pull off borrowed time, ds saves.
If they are doing it to be toxic, they will only be able to do it to 1 or 2 players each match they attempt it. The more time you waste in the match trying to earn blood points by doing things like cleansing totems, the less likely any of you live.
Also, what is the point of CAPITALIZING words in the middle of a sentence other than to be snarky? Saying things like "Should I get you a doll so you can show us where the bad Killer touched you?" is a direct comment needed to make your point or was a deliberate passive aggressive comment to try to insult?
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I'm a red rank survivor--if someone is face camping I want to just get out of the match because it's boring and there's nothing to be done about it & I don't want to feed a face camper with more points.
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Perhaps because you started your first post to me saying my advice is "BAD" rather than simply saying, you disagree and think they should do this? People will respond in kind. But again, I disagree. My advice is to make new Survivors into better Players in the long run. Bad Killers afford them time to practice all sorts of Skills. Good habits should start early. Free Blood Points are nothing to sneeze at. :) But you do you.
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True but you are Red Rank, as you say. You don't have anymore skills to hone. The new people do.
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Sorry my direct, no bs response upset you.
3 survivors running around cleansing totems. Let's say I get two of them and one is a Hex. That's 2500 extra points. I also just gave the killer more time to find and face camp me, causing me to lose out of my 5000 escape bp. So I just lost 2500 points because I stayed to cleanse totems.
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Why do you assume you won't get out? I never assume that. You get points for all sorts of things. I said you do you; I just feel you are going to find out real quick that just trying to get out the door as fast as possible isn't a strategy that will work when you leave Bad Killers behind. You will be facing Killers that do GOOD Patrols, Killers that have abilities that let them find you, Killers that slow the Gen-Rush down painfully using those Totems you seem to disdain cleaning, and all sorts of other things I'm too tired to go into right now.
I made a suggestion, i.e. take advantage of bad Killers (and Face Campers are bad Killers) to hone skills and pick up good habits. Use that time to earn extra blood points. You will need those other Skills soon enough. Or you can do it the hard way; it is no skin off my nose. :)
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Proxy camping? It's acceptable if there are gens nearby or the killer knows survivors are in the vicinity.
Facecamping? No, never OK. And people who say "iTs a VAliD sTRaTEgy" are simply wrong. It was never intended to be a strategy, because the emblem system punishes it. You lose points for doing that - but its a small penalty and facecamping killers probably don't care about that - its not penalized enough.
A facecamping bubba is almost guaranteed 2 kills if he runs NOED. If someone is less experienced or plays in solo queue, then they probably will try to save the hooked person instead of doing generators and that in turn gives bubbas an easy 4k.
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Bubba doesn't need Noed. :) They have Insta-Down built in.
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He does, but still - it's much easier to down someone with NOED. And the 4% speed boost also helps
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True that. I don't usually run into them taking NOED in my own personal experience. I usually run into them taking Nurse's Calling and camping close but just far enough to allow the escape and then trigger a tantrum to get two down the second they pick up the healing.
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Nobody likes to be camped (though, I totally respect a face camping Bubba with Insidious. That's camping done right, IMO), but there is no situation where camping is "a big no no". There is no rule book that says you can't camp. Gatekeeping playstyles only makes people do it more.
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HOW ABOUT: There's a timer that activates upon killer standing in a 5m radius from the hook after 10 seconds. Then if the killer continues to face camp, the hook will (at least has a chance to) break and the survivor comes free. The hook also stays "sabotaged" for 20-30 seconds so the survivor has a chance to wiggle free (whether the wiggle progression is carried over or not can be discussed).
Face camping is the worst experience for all the players, especially the hooked surv, and ruins whole sessions. Please do something against this apart from describing it as "bad strategy". Many many killers at rank 1-2 still do this all the time and I wonder how they can progress with that "bad strategy".
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It won't happen. At the most, they might increase the point penalty Killers have for staying by the hook. The sooner people accept that, they happier they will be. The energy spent on trying to "solve" Face Camping is just wasted. Camping (particularly face camping) is entirely subjective. Nobody likes it. I've had it happen to me many times. It shall pass. You take one for the team.
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IMAGINE NEEDING THAT MUCH MORE SECOND CHANCES.
My god. Survivors are relentless with their entitlement.
If a killer does well because they camped - it's BECAUSE THE SURVIVORS ALLOWED IT TO HAPPEN. Period. Survivors have all the power in the world to punish a camping killer. It's not the killers fault if they end up being pepega enough to reward them for it.
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Ill agree they should not get second chances it sucks but not enough that they should give you a second chance
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^^
As I said, NOBODY likes being camped; but at the end of the day, you really lose nothing by being camped. Pips mean literally nothing, and you don't lose any BP you already accrued.
That being said, there's times when camping is actually the correct and most effective play on the killers part. If I hook someone, and I see that one or two other survivors are literally right there, hiding behind a tree (or wherever, whether they know I saw them or not), there is no reason for me to leave the hook until I know they are gone. Why would I leave the hook if one is on the hook and 1 to 2 people are right there? That's half the team not on gens.
Also, BT exists. Which even against Bubba or Billy, you will have the chance to use now. They both have cooldowns after overheating.
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Face camping is NOT subjective as you can tell the condition to determine face camping is given by the simple continuous proximity check.
Second chances?
*Match starts*. Survivor 1 loops the killer for 1-2mins. He's eventually caught. Bubba classic case: He hooks the poor soul and stands right in front of him until he dies. The same procedure will happen almost always for at least 1 more survivor. What's fun about this? Nothing. What can you do against this other than doing gens (wow what a fun game)? Nothing.
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Actually it is subjective because you don't REALLY know why they are still there. You assume, but you don't know. Sometimes the Killer can see the other Survivors RIGHT THERE and they are trying to do you a favor. Your idiot team mates seem intent on FARMING you to me. If I walk away even a few meters they run out and obligate me to then down you both. If I face camp for a short bit they leave. Then I can move on.
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Developpers are aware from the situation for 3 years, they did literally nothing to prevent it, not a single thing.
They don't need to implement anything in the gameplay, just change the fact that survivors cannot see the killer's name in the lobby & add an unique DbD ID for each player.
Once trash killers using cheap mechanics and offering an unfun gameplay to survivor will be dodge 100% of the time, maybe developpers will be able to permaban players that destroy the game and make it so toxic.
There are hundred of killers & survivors that should not be able to play the game.
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BT exists. Bubba can't counter BT anymore if done correctly. He can't rev his chainsaw for long. He literally has a cooldown.
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