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Should myers be buffed?
I think that Myers needs a buff, he's overshadowed by Ghostface who is clearly better than Michael, but I don't honestly know how to buff him since I don't want to make him broken... So how would you buff Myers? Would you leave him as it is right now? Let's discuss it.
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Remove tier 1?
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But keep the scratched mirror I love it :D
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I kind of agree with you, You can get some good stalk from a far (even if Ghostface benefits from that MUUUUCH MORE) however yea stalking from close distances works better with myers
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Yea that's more a Ghostface thing
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Too bad.
I guess scratched can be changed to give you the tier one effects.
But yeah, removing or buffing tier one is a great change for myers.
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Yes, remove his tier 2. All they would have to do is give him a lunge in tier 1 and give him back normal movespeed 115/ms. Just make it the same required stalk that it would normally take to get to tier 3. This way he can be stealthy and wouldn't have to rely on Monitor and abuse and dead rabbit to sneak up on people as much.
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I didn't get you, so you would remove tier 2 and keep only tier 1 and 3 am I right?
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I would love it, honestly removing tier 1 looks like a good idea to me, maybe myers could have no terror radius at the start of the match for 2 minutes while still in tier 2? I don't think that it would be broken or OP
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That's a solid idea.
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Yeah, basically something like that. It wouldn't be OP i don't think personally. Hopefully they do something with him soon. I used to main him a while back but he's just kinda old.
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I do feel like the game left Myers behind, which is kinda sad because he was the first licensed character.
The Shape needs some love. Same with Demogorgon.
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Taping stalk for the first time regardless of where they are just turns you to Tier 2 as a base. Tier 1 being a button press to leave at the beginning for people who don't want to spend a second in psuedo stealth slowly at 105% - letting survivors get gen progress while you slowly walk across the map and stalk for a few seconds to turn it off... while those who want to approach stealthly for their first hit and not reveal who they are immediately to the survivors can still do so. Leaves the current options open for addons as well without having to change too much since Evil Within II would still act exactly the same.
Honestly Meyers having a 16m Terror Radius at EW2 with Monitor & Abuse reducing it to 8meters still makes him extremely fun in many scenarios that just solving EWI wasting time would instantly raise him up in most people's Tier lists.
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He’s really overrated. I feel like people still put him high in tier lists because he always has been, but people are judging him based on 2016/2017 when due to a limited selection then yeah he was one of the better options.
Now he’s really not that good. As others have said Ghostface is just straight up better. Myers has nothing to help at loops either.
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Give him back his multi-stalk and remove the stalk limit per survivor. These are artificial handicaps that limit his skill ceiling.
He should be about capitalizing on the weakest survivor to take down the better ones.
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I agree I love myers as a character, he's a cinema icon that made the story upon horror movies and he definitely needs some love. Right now the only good stalky killer as I already said is Ghostface. I love both them I even had a Ghostface costume when I was a kid, but yea the shape needs some love.
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This. What's the one thing holding back 90% of killers. Mobility. Having him so slow at match start can lose him the game simply by checking the wrong gen first.
Keep the lunge so theres a reason to level but let him be 115% at start. Heck maybe make him risk reward and give him 120-5% in level 1 but no bloodlust or lunge.
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I think that if we remove tier 1 and make him stealth for 2 minutes while already in tier 2 would be the best choice here. Anyways many things you said are right
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That's also a solid idea. If we removed tier 1 we could keep him undetectable for like 2 mins while still in tier 2. I think that it would be good. But yea I like your idea
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If they buff him of course, the buff MUST come on 31th october. Also I want to add a small thing. Give myers his little stalky theme while stalking a survivor, the one that was also in the films. I loved that thing so much, they could re-add it maybe with an option to turn it off.
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Yea that sounds like a good idea I like it
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considering he is one of the two killers whos addons dont fit the formula that the devs want (huntress being the other) he is very likely to get a addon rework and will most likely have his power changed as well
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Oh you're right I didn't think about that
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I think it would be great to remove his stalk limit on survivors. GF doesn't have that afaik, why should he?
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Because people would complain about perma tier 3. If they also rework his addons they should remove stalk limit.
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i have already made a thread about removing tier 1 but i like all the ideas yall putting forward
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The real problem here is convincing the devs.
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true because rn only success i have with him without corrupt is sloppy thana dead rabbit with a stalk rate add on and just hit and run
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I think that is outdated, nobody complains about oni getting fed by the same person all game long either while he has more map pressure. It just gives incentive from people to hide from myers and deny him the power which is what you do against him anyway.
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Because GF can only expose the survivor he’s stalking.
Myers could abuse an AFK player for example to get the team.
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True but honestly, afk people ah well not sure if that is a valid factor to include. Somebody who is afk in a game shouldn't be in it and no matter how we argue about it, somebody who is afk will punish the team anyway.
Also gf can keep people at 99% and conveniently expose them right before a hit while not having a terrorradius, meanwhile myers without the likes of tinkerer announces mapwide, i have instadown watch out + terro radius when he comes closer.
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No killer needs buffs. You are not supposed to 4K with your eyes closed.
As far as GF is concerned, he should be nerfed to give the sound he once gave when nearby.
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And i disagree. Tier 1 its the most fun of them all. To play with or against as a fun factor point of view. The jump scares on coms are just priceless.
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i really hope you are a dedicated troll on the forums. No you shouldn't be able to 4k with your eyes closed but myers has a hindrnce no other killer has. Imagine if at the start of the match your ability to work on gens was automatically slowed until you saw the killer. Doesn't seem fair now does it. Thats how myers is.
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Excuse me what? Eyes closed? What are you talking about?
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Buff his Tier 1 movement speed to 4.3 m/s
Survivors gain evil by doing generators. Reducing the limitations The Shape has now.
Buff his Tier 3 speed, too, to 4.9 m/s.
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Yea they should keep the scratched mirror I agree is so fun
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Giving him extra movement speed would be too much. He already vaults faster, also 4.9 man that's a lot.
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By the way you can hear Ghostface when he's near, you can clearly hear his clothes moving into the wind, they make a clear swoosh sound
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That's fair because he gets so much more powerful later on so it balances out. He's a well designed killer as-is. He is fair to play against, something most new killers are missing.
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Myers is fine, but he's weak right now, good survivors will beat you in situations that with Ghostface you could have won easily. Myers unfortunately at high ranks is not that good, is not terrible unplayable or anything, but playing Ghostface is clearly the best option there, so why not give myers some buffs?
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You're right I didn't think about that
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how is he fair? he is a m1 killer with a reduced terror radius, has a hindrance as the start and has no map mobility. That isn't fair. He is underpowerd because every single one of his tiers can be looped easily, he has no power in chase and the fact his power is reduced when he stalks from afar (which makes no sense but ok). Ghostface is better than him and is arguably more balanced. Balance is equality on both sides. Playing as myers puts you on the shorter end of the stick. Its a 4v1 but he is so weak in 1v1. Killers should be able have some power over the survivors. In which myers has none. Take oni for example, he has no hindrance and gets his power off absorbing blood, and his power is stronger than tier 3. and he is balanced. Simply removing tier 1 or buffing tier 3 isn't going to break the game.
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4.9 is probably a bit too much, I was going for incremental numbers. But I don't think 4.8 would be too crazy. Basically Myers with one stack of Play With Your Food for reaching Tier 3. I feel like Myers in Tier 3 should be one of the most terrifying things in the game.
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I don't know man, I'm no expert at balancing things but that sounds a little too powerful, PWYF is a token perk, if we make myers a 4.8ms killer while in tier 3 which has full movement controll and mindgame potential (moonwalk etc) I think that it would be broken. Then again I don't know it could also be fine
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Being able to 1-shot and vault windows instantly is power in the chase! With how maps have been redesigned with a cap on pallets, so many dead zones, you shouldn't be having an issue. The new buildings are now even killer sided because killers refuse to break down the walls, and all the windows are closed! You want to talk about fair, we can talk all day about that. The Ghostface has no counterplay to his close proximity. Every ghostface tries to catch people off-guard in an injured state with NO TERROR RADIUS, and kill them. They also use it to have a huge advantage. That's the only thing making ghostface better in my opinion because that aspect of him is grossly unfair. Not every killer needs to be able to get to the other side of the map instantly, with BBQ, and other perks, this is too much advantage. I think killers are spoiled by Freddy and Spirit.
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Personally I never found the Ghostface to have no counterplay at close range, but that's my experience anyone can have a different one. Vaulting windows faster helps a lot by the way I completely agree with you, but that's not that strong imo. Then again you made good points
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you mean how his vaulting speed in tier 3 is only as fast as a medium vault? and the new maps are fair. We can talk all day about the macmillian realm and the coldwin realm, which are i think the biggest maps in this game and they are very common, also asylum is another map with a op main house. Thats my issue map pressure with myers is nigh impossible unless you get multiple people with your tier 3, and even then survivors are supposed to split up so you'll most likely get 1 down and maybe 2 on a good day with one tier 3. Also vaulting faster really doesn't help that much in chase. He is still a basic m1 killer with a hindrance at the start and an decent one shot power. Billy for example, has no hindrance, has a one shot down constantly, and has good map pressure. However he was never op. I already talked about oni so lets talk about your problem with ghostface. Well for starters if thats an issue for you run a med kit to heal after he leaves a chase with you. Only thing that is broken with ghostface is his reveal while leaning. What other one shot down killers can i talk about. Bubba is too strong so he isn't a good balance example but anyway. A majority of the one shot down section of the killer roster is balanced. But myers has none of that. And you say no killer should able to move throughout the map quickly? So you want every killer to be vulnerable to the gen rush? Thats pretty unbalanced. It seems like you have a survivor bias. But back to myers.
Anyway for everyone else i think myers should at least 110 in tier 1 and stalks faster in tier 1, making it easier for him to get out of it, while tier 2 has the base stalking rate. I think these buffs wouldn't be game breaking but would help him in the map pressure category. We do know that since his addons aren't in the dbd standard that they will probably get looked at and maybe they'll help his basekit as well
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Rank 10 energy. Myers and ghostface are countered pretty significantly by just rotating your camera on a gen. Micheals faster vaults are only marginally faster without Bamboozle or Fire Up. Not enough to make a difference in an area where the survivor was always going to be hit even by T2. The breakable doors on the new map literally only help in the preschool. You have to break the house ones now or they're literal infninites. massive surv buff.
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Freddy? lol Poor you...
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Remove tier 1 and reduce considerably his terror radius while myers is stalking
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