Why do people hate adrenaline?

I don't know. I normally don't run adrenaline because I'm usually still alive (mostly on death hook phase when that happens) so my immersive level goes up x2. It usually pops when I'm on my 1st or 2nd hook at best.

But when I play killer I do find myself in a new chase with another Survivor and when I hit them that's already one health state down, they get their hit speed boost and I do my blood wipe boom chase continues, and when I'm about to get the dying state hit on the person I'm chasing, out of nowhere I see that they start dashing out of and fully healed. It's like they have dead hard, but it came in at the perfect time to save them (mostly for me in some of those cases). After that I just leave the chase and end it there. Their could be cases where BBQ could tip the scales in the killers favor same with Pop, but those two perks depend on two people: The Survivor and The Killer. If the killer ends a chase with someone looping them they lose a potential BBQ stack and a potential 60 second Pop usage. These two roles are ying and yang for each other. One can't progress without the other. Maybe besides Survivors doing gens that's something they don't need the killer to progress for.

I've lost some hooks when someone's adrenaline popped and I lost some matches but it's not too often. Normally it ends up with said adrenaline user escaping or doing a little t-bagging before they do, but it doesn't bother me too much because most of the time they heal before their adrenaline pops.

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My guess is that when the scales seem to tip toward you when playing killer then it just violently tips to the Survivor's side when adrenaline pops you may end up losing the game depending on their next move.

I don’t dislike the perk but I rather not use it, they’re one time only perks like Unbreakable, DS, Adrenaline etc. I like Perks that consistently help me through a trial e.g. We’ll Make It, Kindred, Bond, Better Together, Borrow Time, Dead Hard, Spine Chill etc.

I dont feel like adrenaline is really used that much any more.

At least i dont see it maybe one per game but not like ds or dh which you see every game.

Me personally id rather have a perk that helps me all game sense i already use ds which is a one time perk.

Very win more, clutch perk. It can be annoying, especially if stacked.

I was last surv and had 3 on hooks. My adrenaline popped when I finished a gen that was a quarter til done and then I ran over and saved them.

It probably felt bad for the slinger, I became his only kill.

20 seconds x 2 hooks maximum for a survivor without dying x 4 survivors = 160 additional seconds, or 2 more generators. That's without killing people. It's at least another half of a generator if two survivors die. That's not including gen regression because survivors don't want to let the killer Pop the same generator twice or just generator regression in general. Those seconds could very well mean the difference between all survivors dying and 3 or more getting out of the match alive.

It's the more hooks a killer gets, the more gens the killer gets and the less likely the killer will every be challenged by a group of survivors that doesn't tryhard on gens and only plays to enjoy the atmosphere. How does that kind of reward in this kind of ranking system make sense? If the community wants survivors to stop "genrushing", then perks like Pop need to not be a thing. How in the world are the devs supposed to balance their game by adding extra time to some survivor action when Pop exists?

Additionally, you speak like Overcharge isn't a perk you can use to trip up survivors who aren't paying attention, punishing survivors in a different way than Pop does. You also speak like Surveillance isn't a perk or that just in general a generator that has suddenly stopped regressing means a survivor is nearby.

Yes, it's true that kicking generators is not a reliable way for you to stop the progress of a survivor who is looping around a generator, but that's not what the mechanic is for, I should point out. It's to prevent survivors from bringing all gens to 99% before finishing the last one. It's to give killers some way of avoiding the frustrating scenario of running around, trying to find a survivor, when all the gens can be popped at one touch. Gen regression has grown to do a lot more than that, and I'm not sure that's such a good thing, especially since it moved from just forcing the game to move forward to actually impacting balance over the course of the match. There are good points about that, but I'm not sure the bad points are less influential.

Regardless, it's not solely a question of map sizes and gen speeds (sounds like you are regurgitating a number of streamers rn); it's a question of what survivors have to do in the match other than gens to ensure their survival.

If you think of the generator mechanic in its most simplest form, it is an advanced timer. It serves as the time the killer has to kill all survivors until they escape. A killer can elongate this timer by intimidating survivors into hiding, by forcing all survivors to abandon their objective to be altruistic, or through applying many injuries that either incapacitate survivors or require healing to reduce danger levels. All the interesting parts of the game revolve outside of the generator: chases, planning tactics on how to save other survivors, evading the killer, etc.

Giving the killer a way to directly add time onto that timer without actually proving him/herself to be smarter, wittier, and more brutal than the survivors is wrong. Getting hooks is something that just happens over the course of the game. When hooks don't happen, the survivors are stomping the killer, and in that case, extra time IS needed, but Pop doesn't do that. Pop only adds time to games where the killer already has the upper hand and doesn't need Pop to win. If survivors shorten the timer by being efficient (i.e. having chases where gens aren't, splitting up on separate generators, forcing hooks to happen where generators are already finished, etc.), again, Pop doesn't come into play. Pop only comes into play when a survivor isn't "genrushing" or try-harding, and so Pop inherently punishes survivors who are already being punished. It's the ultimate salt in the wounds for survivors facing any decent killer that knows how to pressure the map. You don't NEED Pop if you're doing well (and you shouldn't be pushing close matches over the edge into your favor just by bringing in one perk; that's stupid), and you CAN'T use Pop when you NEED its effects.

Old Ruin was a better designed perk than Pop if only because it made sure survivors were at the peak of their game but NOT directly related to pumping out generators; only on hitting skill checks. Yes, that affected gen speed, but in a different (and healthier) way than Pop does. The only issue with Ruin was the condition for the hex to be applied (which could have been solved through place-able totems or a percentage-based token system that gained tokens the more gens were done). It did not need a rework, and the developers didn't even solve the issue of a lack of optional survivor actions (because survivors can survive in some cases without using any pallets*). All that they did was move the brunt of dealing with the issue from one perk to the next.

Didn't want to write this (but I did :/) because the posts already exist; I just can't access them.

P.S. if you think an additional two generators makes the game balanced, then you should not be advocating for Pop to stay as it is and instead be advocating for two more generators. Don't you want perk diversity??

*see: [insert pallet post about untethering before use because search function is broken]

** Devour Hope is an exception because it's too good to pass up. It's seen above 7% usage in all of my games this summer.

I had a dream last night they reworked Adrenaline more or less as follows:

For each safe unhook or protection hit, gain a token (up to 3). Press the activate ability button while not moving to use one charge. Each charge heals half a health state over 3 seconds.

This would not allow survivors to pick themselves up but would let them recover very quickly while downed. It would also be able to take you from the injured state back to healthy with the use of 2 charges. Because you have to be standing still to use it, and it takes 3 seconds, you couldn't really pop it during a chase like styptic or anti-hemorrhagic. It also rewards objectives without being a free ticket out the gates at the end of the match.

and I'm arguing that it should be done at the same time or after Pop is changed, mainly because killers could manage for around two months with no "big" slowdown perk (but I'm more of an advocate for same time changes).

You just seemed to think that objectively, without any qualifiers, that Pop was well designed, and I felt that that was incorrect and was leading people less informed about the game astray. I was here to provide the counterargument to your view.