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The reason most people can't play Killer
Killers are extremely perk dependent. Having the right build will easily be the difference between a win or a loss and most of the best Killer perks are in DLC characters.
Take my best Legion build for example:
Blood Echo (Oni Perk, DLC character)
Hex: Ruin (Hag Perk, DLC character on PC)
Hex: Undying (Blight Perk, DLC character)
Barbecue and Chili (Cannibal Perk, DLC character)
The Killer is DLC and so are all of the perks. No one learning Legion would ever have this build right out of the gate and because of that they'll really struggle to do anything with the Killer because they're really weak without good perks. While I can easily 4k at Rank 1 merely because of my perk build and experience.
Now look at the Survivor side. Here's one of the best and most meta builds in the game:
Dead Hard (David Perk, Free)
Decisive Strike (Laurie Perk, DLC character)
Unbreakable (Bill Perk, Free)
Iron Will (Jake Perk, Free)
To get top tier Survivor builds you barely have to unlock or buy much at all and can mostly just level up the free characters. But to play top tier Killer builds tailored for each one individually, you'll need to unlock or buy the majority of the characters because the free perks are painfully bad.
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Not to mention survivors can lean on eachother if they need help. This hard is bp intensive to get in to.
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Hag you have to pay for on PC?
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New players would have to since they wouldn't have the shards.
If they did have the shards... then they wouldn't really be new players.
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To be fair a lot of new players don't have a power fantasy of playing as a Canadian teenage girl, so that probably wouldn't be their first DLC to buy.
My baby killer perks I would use as a newbie are NOED (Base game) Iron Grasp (Base Game) Brutal Strength (Trapper) Enduring (Hillbilly)
You could also spice things up with Nurses Calling. I know we experienced killers and survivors play by a code of conduct but busting through pallets, making it to hooks and punishing survivors for the gen rush are pretty solid.
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I play Xbox and I'm pretty sure I started with Hag. That's unfortunate if on PC you have to pay or use shards. That's literally the first you get of hex perks.
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Not to mention how broken match making is. So, not only do you need to grind out thousands of shards to buy the correct killer,s you then have to grind them up again to unlock the necessary perks, just to pray for RNG on the killer you need.
The grind is unbelievable for new players, but the devs think it's okay.
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Under the assumption we are ignoring all the "DLC" killers that can be purchased by ingame shards since it would mean you are no longer a "new player" like Hag, Doctor, Spirit, Clown, Oni, Plague, Deathslinger, Blight... while assuming they got Legion as their training wheels killer (which I endorse as a good one to start with).
Nurse's Thanatophobia could be considered pretty much "meta" on Legion specifically who can actually use it as slowdown.
Trapper's Brutal Strength - break through pallets and walls and kick gens faster. Since new players can't tell which pallets are safe and which are unsafe they'll usually kick everything at first. Helpful at learning - strong enough as a chase perk even later.
Hillbilly's Enduring - Literally just go face into every pallet without fear, better yet if you get a power hit then get stunned immediately to break you out. Easy M1 down with this.
Iron Grasp - Get rid of any concerns of making it to a hook in time or getting sabotaged as you are going there. Bit of a crutch but it's nice for baby killers
Hillbilly's Tinkerer, Bitter Murmur, and even Wraith's Bloodhound or Predator can be used basic tracking perks
Hex: No One Escapes Death - As much flak as this perk gets it's still very strong and complained about for a reason
Hillbilly's Lightborn - Immunity to Clicky Clicks ... ultimate crutch perk for baby killers who haven't learned to look at walls yet
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Nurse's Calling or Sloppy Butcher - Bit overkill on Legion since folks shouldn't really heal much against Legion but they're
general perks for other killers tooWhispers - Overkill on Legion but if you are new and have no game sense yet it could help them get started with their power to find the others - also helps to satisfy hunting those immersed ones who aren't doing anything waiting for hatch.
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This I absolutely agree with that the sheer number of matches for someone to unlock things - even while buying all the DLC is an abysmal turnoff to new folks whenever they come to calculating it roughly for themselves. I would agree as someone playing for years and still unlocking perks on some of my killers (Though my dumping of BP on prestiges and getting some survivors all perked out definitely contributes as an unnecessary sink)
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Thats probably part of it but i think another big reason is that survivor is just a lot easier than most other online games. Anyone can play a survivor but not everyone can jump into a shooter or fighting game. DBD is really unique in that aspect......I just wish they found a way to not make killer as frustrating so we could level out the community. At this point i have no idea how to even start to fix the power ratio because theres so many variables
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You don't need those perks to be good at playing killer. Most of playing killer is learning when to chase/when to cut a chase, who to go after/when and how to predict survivors paths. You only need those kinds of perks once you reach red ranks. I have all of the DLC and I don't use any of those 99% of the time that I play & I've been red ranks.
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Yes, hag isn't free on pc
Console players have a couple dlc's for free when they get the game
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... the perks i mentioned were Legion specific and don't make tons of sense on other Killers
I can give you a different example for whichever Killer you main. Just let me know
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I disagree, I think most of being a good killer is just being really good at the fundamentals like being able to do a footchase efficiently, knowing when to break off a chase and switch to a new target versus commit to downing someone, having a sense of what the survivors are probably doing and where they probably are, understanding the value of slugging versus when to hook right away, and so on. Add to that just being generally skilled with whatever specific killer you happen to be playing. (You can be solid in the game in a lot of respects but if you can't aim Deathslinger's rifle or blink accurately with Nurse you'll still lose.)
That's not to say perks make no difference. I think perks are kind of the tie breaker in a sense. If you're in a close match you'll be more likely to win if you have good perks and add-ons then if you just pick random ones. But you can win games with literally no perks or add-ons, streamers do it all the time even on killers who are not top tier, it's just harder to do.
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It's maybe 50% perks and 50% skill against coordinated meta perk Survivors. I just did all my Adepts a couple days ago at Red Ranks. The amount of times I lost games because Wraith's perks are literally useless is over 20
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Just to clarify... these coordinated meta perk survivors are death squading the baby killers who haven't even had a chance to unlock other Iris Shard killers?
I would agree that certain perks definitely help killers a lot more than others especially since the value of each perk slot and addon has to match up against 4x that in survivor perks, items+addons... but the hurdle to get "good" with killer comes with game-time and self-reflection on how to improve which most folks just aren't willing to do on average.
Note how often the word "Sweaty" gets thrown around if the killer plays by the imaginary "rulebook" and doesn't camp, tunnel and hooks 10+ time during a match taking individual chases and zoning survivors into one another. Same applies to the other side when survivors get called "Sweaty" for looping the killer for minutes at a time or bringing a yellow flashlight. It's all about how hard one can deflect until they are forced to fall back on "He tried harder than me, since I'm too cool to try" to conserve their ego
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Laughs in perkless killer who still 4ks
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Most people can't play killer because killer actually takes skill.
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Matchmaking for Killers is kind of all over the place. Once you're a Green Rank, you're in territory for loading into full Red Rank SWFs. Is it fair? Not really, but it happens a lot. My younger brother always complains about it because he's not playing against Survivors at his skill level and still expected to beat them with a whopping one DLC Killer unlocked.
As far tryhards, personally, I'm far past the point where they bother me. As Legion main, I actually like Object Players and Flashlight clickers because they give me easy Frenzy hits to help me find the weak links on the team with Killer Instinct. If someone's really better than you, ignore them, focus the rest of their team and one hook them at the end when everyone else is dead.
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Laughs in perkless killer who still 4k's almost 100+ games in a row
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You lost me after reading -> Blood Echo ^^
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I'm a man of culture what can I say?
(also red rank Survivors normally don't heal and just gen rush against Legion. Blood Echo is pretty much the only perk in the game can actually scare them into healing)
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I also disagree that this is really the problem. Otz has a full video on good perk builds that only contain free perks + the teachables of the respective killer.
Also the "if you have shards, you aren't new anymore" thing is kinda strange. If you don't have shards to buy new perks/characters, then you also pretty much have maybe just 2 or 3 characters maxed out with the basic perks and almost no teachables unlocked. The bigger problem comes when you have MANY teachables unlocked, because you sometimes need to push characters to level 100+ to get the perks you want. If you are "new", you can just max out one character and then on point go for the teachables you want to have and instantly get them on your maxed out character as soon as they are unlocked.
Besides that, as there are good basic perk builds for every killer (you don't have to play meta to be good), I don't think that you are necessarily bad when you have bad perks. I think Tru3 managed to get rank 1 with each killer after rank reset (from rank 10, not the new reset) and doing so perk- and addonless. So if you know how to play the killer and use the power efficiently, every killer is at least playable. Not talking about 4k every red rank SWF, but I don't think perks is in any way related with skill
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Hi, I main Legion.
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So did you forget survivors get significantly less bp, no real consistent survival point gain outside of struggle wiggle and escape (only one that's gives alot is escape).
As killer you dont even have to win to get 25k plus you can average 50k with bbq. Not to mention bbq actually has a secondary effect. WGLF was fine when it was 200% instead of 100% extra.
Also you have to get these to tier 3 for the max effect which is more blood points. Sure killers nee dot buy dlcs for a proper build sometimes but the bp gains make up for it.
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Survivor's best perks are no way in comparison to killer's however, as you can avoid and play around survivor's. Yes i agree that sometimes gens go too fast, but you've gotta remember that if you could win every game as killer, that would be insanely broken. If you slow the gens down so that you can beat good teams with relative ease, then you basically eliminate the change for worse players to ever win and reward bad playing. Oh and i would say only weaker killers are perk dependent. You can play a decent to strong killer with almost any build and beat most teams. I'm a killer main and I almost never use addons, only on billy for cooldown addons and occasionally on addon reliant killers like hag and trapper. Reason why? You don't need good addons or addons at all to win. Some killers like spirit and freddy (who are already relatively easy to play and win) become a walk in the park when you put on addons. Oh and killers should have to put in more skill, you're playing a 4v1 and the game is more or less in you're hands, rather than your teamates.
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I agree. Survivor I can play perkless and it's more difficult but far from unwinnable. Killer I quite often play without add ons and it's still pretty easy, but if I had t o go perkless I think I'd just quit.
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