KILLERS ARE SO BROKEN

You aren't the arbiter of justice in this forum. You aren't the spokesperson of the downtrodden privileged who review bomb a game over a patch they disagree with. And you definitely aren't objective in the least. If I said the North Pole was due north of here you'd make an extra effort to pull out your patented jifffy 'hard data' to show how it was 5 miles from Australia. Simply on the basis I was the one who stated the fact. That's the difference. You're contrary to be contrary.

Again with the false equivalencies that only you seem to see that aren't rooted in facts. You claim I'm not something which I'e never claimed to be yet turn around and imply I'm stating such. That last part while funny isn't even close to being 100% accurate. While I'm certainly biased who isn't on here, yourself included or anybody on this forum. I do still try and be as unbiased as i can be. Oh sure I'll post some sarcastic stuff and throw out some of the same stuff killer mains do to make a point.

As my previous post said, I have no interests in anyone's personalities here. I am here as a person who has not only purchased 5 copies of this game to go on several machines but a person who was here before this game was even a game as a backer of it. Not that my opinion means any more than any other person here but I will speak it freely. I am thoroughly unimpressed.

**I'm not worried about personalities here, I've met and dat with pretty much all types, both in person and ingame and forums. How many copies you've bought is irrelevant really and i've been gaming since long before you were even born. That doesn't make my opinion more valuable than yours or anyone else's. It also doesn't lessen either, it's simply my opinion.

You're just as fee to voice your opinion as anyone else and while you may be unimpressed that doesn't mean everyone else is. It just means that you as an individual is unimpressed whereas another person might be impressed. It doesn't invalidate your opinion but neither does it validate it overall.**

As any other consumer of a product I will make those opinions known. I don't expect perfection, but i do expect an effort. What I've seen for over two years is the opposite off effort. One part of this game I can do in my sleep. It's unrewarding and infantile. The other side, pure frustration and annoyance. Frustrating just to be frustrating. Artificially difficult because if it was fair the one side that has it made would rain down death threats and review bombs and toxicity like they've done numerous times.

**For the former agreed, that's a given with any product people buy or in this case rent the rights to play their digital property. As far as the 2 years go from what one or more of the killer mains have said is that they recently as in last 9 months or so. They recently bought back the full right to the game from the prior owners.

Now they have a roadmap out along with planned changes and while the changes haven't been smooth nor as fast as wanted. Most of the people on here agree that's it's a step in the right direction. Now for the death threats and review bombs just stop, both sides have extremists that do this and if you remember it was a certain toxic streamer that said go review bomb the game. There was also a high profile streamer that killer mains including you swear by who said the patch was bad.

So bad stuff came out and as I posted about there was quite a lot of bad reviews that had ZERO to do with the patch. Such as no dedicated servers, no report fixes, a ton of bad reviews from PS4 users. Who were complaining about the patch and no servers being up. There was also a bunch of negative reviews from FTP people quite a few with under 1 hour played or not even 5 minutes.**

Soren said:

@jamesdon18 said:
You can also get hardware banned for being good in this game and looping people for whole games remember that lol.

That's actually not true at all. Looping is not bannable.

If you're talking about Ochido, he was banned for:

• exploit (several times) and showing how to use these exploits,
• griefing (sandbag on purpose other survivors, ruining their game experience by coop with the killer),
• witch hunting (asking his community to mass-report a killer he played against),
• trying to avoid ban with several accounts,
• hacking his progress (as an example, he had a P3-50 Clown at rank 1 the day after the release of Clown, which was rank reset, and with XP still at level 1... literally impossible without hack).

All these reasons are good to ban someone. Except the exploit one, this is not the players fault to use exploit. They are results of bugs or bad design that has to be fixed by devs.

If they are in the game, then they're permitted. Nowaday we can patch a game easily so exploits shouldn't be an issue for too long.

But I understand the point

Ok, first of all killers are not broken and survivors don’t suck. I agree that the hitboxes are definitely ass but tbh killers are fine apart from tunneling, camping, proxy, etc.

I'll be honest.. I stopped reading after the "Survivors nerfed into the ground" quote.. If killers seem op then you need more practice because none of them are op let's be honest here. And that's a bad thing.. it's a 1v4 game.. killers should be op but right now it's almost a joke. Sure the nerfs made it more equal but balence is far from perfect right now.. you should appreciate that survivors still get to be the power role that killers are supposed to be.. 

Cool meme 

@RSB said:

@Soren said:

@jamesdon18 said:
You can also get hardware banned for being good in this game and looping people for whole games remember that lol.

That's actually not true at all. Looping is not bannable.

If you're talking about Ochido, he was banned for:

• exploit (several times) and showing how to use these exploits,
• griefing (sandbag on purpose other survivors, ruining their game experience by coop with the killer),
• witch hunting (asking his community to mass-report a killer he played against),
• trying to avoid ban with several accounts,
• hacking his progress (as an example, he had a P3-50 Clown at rank 1 the day after the release of Clown, which was rank reset, and with XP still at level 1... literally impossible without hack).

And for being a damn pedophile degenerate.

Wait . . . what? I knew about the guy that was (now formerly) in the Overwatch League, but what's this about Ochido? I don't follow or watch him, because just from what I hear he sounds like the same type of ass that xQc is over in Overwatch, but is there proof of what you say?

@Wolf74 Yep, thanks for the info. I had no interest in viewing him before, he can ######### right off now.

@Wolf74 I'll search for it, thanks for the heads-up.

@Kilmeran said:

@Hellrossa said: All these reasons are good to ban someone. Except the exploit one, this is not the players fault to use exploit. They are results of bugs or bad design that has to be fixed by devs.

If they are in the game, then they're permitted. Nowaday we can patch a game easily so exploits shouldn't be an issue for too long.

But I understand the point

And every major game developer would disagree with you. I know of no development studio that allows the intentional reveal of an exploit, never mind the repeated reveal and showing how to use it, like he did. Developers are very clear that a discovered exploit should be reported via a Bug Report and never posted on the forums. That guy was asinine enough to do it more than once on his Stream.

And repeatedly using an exploit in the game will also get you banned if discovered. This is true of every online game I have played over the past 20 years.

Whether or not it can be fixed or patched quickly and isn't, it has always been: stumble upon it, fine, but don't use it again. Use it repeatedly, and expect a ban. Fair or not, it's their rules. Again, it's not just a Behavior thing, pick your online game.

Your opinion is totally legit and I understand it. However if an exploit is found by the community and not by the dev (or they didn't have the time to fix it but that's another story), they can't blame the community for using it.

This is like finding the best strategy to win and using it even if this is a result of a bug. A bug shouldn't be there in the first place and the players don't have to bear the responsability. Lots of people here complain about some overpowered perks for example. Well that's in the game and people are using them, they can so they do, if they are overpowered then the design should be modified.

This is the same with an issue/bug/exploit, this is in the game because of the devs and that's their responsability to do something about it, I think (and all of this text is my opinion, not the absolute truth) players shouldn't be punished for devs mistakes.

Studios are doing this for the past 20 years, this is true, but it doesn't mean they should have been doing it.

Sorry if all this seems messy, English is not my first language.

@MhhBurgers said:
Uh no, if the community finds an exploit the community is still being punished in most games where the dev's have some selfrespect over salesnumbers.

Look at WoW, tons of people exploited warmode by wintrading, they got banned, the exploit never got fixed.
Duping is also an exploit found often in RPGs, guess what. You get banned for abusing it.

Of course, but imo they should have fix the issues instead of banning people.

@Kilmeran said:
@Hellrossa I get what you're saying, but sometimes it's just not the reality of the job. I've worked in game design in the past. Even for a studio as large as Blizzard, which Behavior is not, there are still limited people on the team to handle bug and exploit fixes, some are easier to find in the code than others, and limited time to work on a particular one if other ones have to take priority.

The bottom line has always been: Until it is fixed, using it repeatedly will get a player banned. They were absolutely right in banning OchiDO for what he did. He knew better than to show how to do them on his Streams. He wasn't new to gaming. He did it because he's an arrogant little twat, and rightfully got banned.

I don't say that OchiDO don't deserve his ban, he has tons of reasons to get banned.

This apart, I know the constraint of making video games (I work in the industry too) and of course fixing an issue can take time depending of the amount of people available to fix it and the difficulty of the fix itself. I just don't think it's fair to ban people for something that could be avoided and most of all because players are not responsible of the exploit being here.

I do agree with you that streaming the exploit and making a "tutorial" to explain how to get it can be detrimental, especially for someone who has as much views as Ochido. But that's removing something from someone that had paid for it, I don't know if Devs usually send warnings before banning someone. If not it might be more fair.

@Hellrossa said: I don't know if Devs usually send warnings before banning someone. If not it might be more fair.

I don't know if Behavior does or doesn't, either. Outside of joining DBD, I play mostly Blizzard games, and Blizzard doesn't warn you first if you're exploiting. They ban you straight up if caught. They do warn you about toxic behavior first, but exploits are: see ya.

Usually, though, the first offense is a temporary ban of about 30 days. I've never been banned by them in 24 years of playing their games, but they make their procedure known.

MhhBurgers said:

I don't get how this is a discussion. If a player finds an exploit he should get banned if he repeatedly abuses it, this is commonly accepted for most ACTUAL gamers.

This. If you find an exploit, you report it to the devs (not on the forums) and don't use it.

Hell, I almost got banned on my first day ever playing an online game, EQ1. A GM found me standing on a hill shooting orcs who kept pathing around the hill but not up it. I had no idea I was doing anything wrong, and since I was an obvious noob* he let me off with a warning. That was the only lesson I ever needed.

*Among other things, I was leaving the belts to rot because they were "worthless".

@jamesdon18 said:
Killers keep complaining and just because they are bad they get patches to make it easier and easier to play.

Same can be said about survivors huh?

I used to like being stealthy. Now I don't because being stealthy all game won't keep other survivors alive who keep you alive, and stealthiness is too punishing when it doesn't pay off in full. My preferred version of stealth would be to let the killer know I'm around, but not engage in chase. Eg. a broken twig, a lock of hair, etc. That would be my dream come true. But that's not one of the one and a half ways survivors can play.

@Kilmeran said:

@MhhBurgers said:
I got banned by blizzard for baiting people into insulting me during vanilla lol, got tons of people banned that way and then they banned me for 3 months.

Wait? Vanilla lol? Do you mean League of Legends? If so, that isn't Blizzard and never was. That is Riot Games.

I remember the bait jobs in Vanilla WOW and that was back when the mods weren't overwhelmed so much and were involved in the game. The worst ones were the alliance players since most mods seemed to be Alliance players same for gm's.

@Giche said:

@The_Crusader said:

I don't get why so many survivors worship him. I click on their profiles and see so many as part of his group. He's an ass....wow much respect!

Majority of them are underaged #########.

How surprising that the spoiled brats chosed the easier side ?

It's hilarious you say that when you totally ignore he does it killer side as well and a lot of his followers play killer as well. I run into them at rank 1-2 and they're part of his group.