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Is it wrong to purposely use the Decisive bug?
Hag is a super campy Killer and she gets the Decisive bug reliably. Is it wrong to feel like you have free reign to tunnel Survivors because its so easy with the bug?
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Yes, it's wrong to abuse bugs.
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It's literally just playing Hag normally and not respecting Decisive. I'm not doing anything to purposely activate the bug... I just know it usually happens on its own
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I don't know if you can really avoid this bug, rather than buying an hourglass for each survivor. I would call it abuse when someone is downed inside the basement and before picking up you place a trap on top of the stairs to make sure you get the instant hit. That is a pretty obvious as you set up for the abuse
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I'm sure the people using Wake Up! when it affected all interactions were also "just using the perk normally".
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Well they payed for the DLC so they should be allowed to use it even if it's game breaking. /s
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Well you gotta take into account the survivors abusing the hell outta wake up bug.. or the iron will bug (I know this is just random on how they get this w/o the perk but i still label it as a non-perk / perk abuse)
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I use this perk in one of my perk loadouts and didn't even know it was bugged when using it until i visited the forums.
I just assumed it was either a visual bug or a change, since i don't really notice small difference like that, probably because i'm not on gens very often.
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What is the new toolbox genrush build? Haven’t heard of that bug.. (I know there is something buggy with Ash right now)
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Something about his noises right? He has a built in Iron Will or something?
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No, not really. Other people abusing bugs doesn’t make your bug abuse okay. I’m sure those people justified their bug abuse by saying “well what about the infinite mending Legions” but that doesn’t make it right either.
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I mean, I don't see how you can "abuse" this unless you're like intentionally making traps that you know they can't avoid prior to picking them up, 100% expecting the bug.
Otherwise what're you supposed to do, sit there like a doofus for five seconds? You can bet your ass if there was a wiggle bug where they got out 50% early, not a goddamn one of them would stand there and let you hit them again.
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I've had people DS me while I've been playing Blight, and I always notice when it failed to stun right because I move slightly, so I just kind of pretend to stay stunned for extra time. Sure, DS is annoying, but I'm not going to abuse a bug because I can get them downed easily. And anyone saying 'Oh but survivors abused X bug', an old saying for you: Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Difference with the wake up bug was that it benifited those who equiped it,not the opposition
As killer i can't control what survivors equip
You can avoid the DS bug by simply not equiping it
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That's a good point, but OP is talking about actively trying to make the bug occur. It's no different from survivors trying to make killers get stuck in pallets, if you want a better comparison.
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remember when people could get banned for light speed nurse but for wake up bug they said nothing? Seems fair.
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Abusing a bug is still abusing a bug. If it's not intended you can still report the player and let dbd support handle it.
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Although the nurse bug happened randomly when you used a addon. The wakeup bug was far more common. And for the wakeup bug they said they wouldn't ban people but then say they will for the nurse one...hmmm...
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Not really killers are allowed to tunnel. you have no idea if they have ds or not until you do so. if it happens to bug and you can get them down much quicker if they know about the bug that is on them. Ps from personal experience a stun is a stun and gets you to a loop in time but maybe that is just for me.
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Imo it's wrong to abuse it to just tunnel someone out of the game who isn't doing anything wrong and trying to play honestly.
However, you bet that if someone is throwing themselves at me, unhooking in my face, hopping in a locker, or doing a gen right in front of me that they're getting the DS bug abused. There are few things I love more than seeing the 60 seconds of getting in the killer's face that cocky survivors do backfire on them.
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Well personally, since I heard about the hooking b ug I have stopped wiggling. It doesn't seem fair. And I am glad to tell you I have been hooked as quick as possible. No Killer has dragged me half across the map to hook me in basement. I like the feeling when we all work together.
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That is a better comparison yeah.
Still don't think it's exactly the same though as pallets will always be in the map but the DS is the survivors choice if it's in the game in the first place
I just don't think punishing players because other players brought a broken perk is fair.
The difference between this and all the other bug abuses we had so far is that it's entirely in the abused one choice that it happens. If you bring a perk knowing it's bugged then that's on you.
For example if Overcharge would be bugged and not regress the gens when you fail the skillcheck would all survivors that don't purposelly stop working on the generator for a while be abusing a bug? Sounds kinda silly right
Killers should be good sports about it ofcourse but activly calling them out for abusing a bug while it was another player that allowed the bug to happen in the first place by bringing the broken perk feels really unfair to me
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This is one of those posts I'm not sure what to do with, on one hand; It is kinda a dick move to use it like that. On the other hand, they brought DS with the knowledge it was bugged so.....🤷♀️
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You are exploiting a bug for an in-game advantage. Take it however you want.
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How would you even avoid the DS bug in the first place?
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If you purposefully use a killer that you know that DS is bugged (for me it could and should be a ghost nerf) you can't complaint against ppl using ninja Ash.
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Slug. Slug all day long. I almost never eat a Ds but If the unhooked comes right at me or sit in a gen on my face I'll slug him for sure.
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Don't exploit bugs that give you an unfair advantage. But this is the exception, to say don't play an entire killer just because a survivor might have a perk is absurd.
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Now killers have even more free range to tunnel that is not a solution.
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I paid for Legion too, but that didn't stop the threat of a literal ban if I used the perks the incompetent developers broke and couldn't figure out how to temporarily disable.
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I'm not going to stop playing a killer that i enjoy just because there is a chance of a bug happening. and besides there are what 134 perks or close to it and a survivor can have 4. Why stop playing a killer that may or may not encounter a survivor using a perk that may or may not cause a bug. Besides if d/s isn't functioning properly then don't use it until it's fixed you have 133 other perks to use if you fear a chance of that skill not going off properly. It's one thing going into a game knowing it's going to be in your favor abusing a game issue and going into a game that has a chance of glitching due to another persons layout. it's not on the killer.
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I won't deny some kilers will take this opertunitty to tunnel with open arms but if you're getting tunneled every game then handicapping yourself by equiping a broken perk only works against you.
There are other options, stuff like dance with me with lithe and iron will to try and sneak away during a chase might not be as foolproof as DS but they do work
DS while the easiest and most powerfull isn't the only option against tunneling
Like i said earlier in the thread. If Overcharge was bugged to not apply gen regression if you failed the skill check you wouldn't call out people of bug abuse if they didn't porpusly stop working on the gen
I don't see why that has to be different with DS just because it's more popular
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Number one DS while not being solely anti tunnel it is the best help against it. Sure houdini build works but what good is it I'd the killer just follows you off hook?
Number two I dont condone any bug usage dont make assumptions without proof to help your argument.
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I'm confused. Is DS only bugged against some killers? And is the question, "Is it bad to deliberately play a killer DS is bugged against?"
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Except when it's a bug that benefits survivors.
Then it's TECH
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I didn't make any assumptions, I made an example to show how ridiculous it is to blame killers for this.
What is it that you want? That killers get banned if they don't wait 5 seconds after the bug happens?
Then what's to stop me from equiping DS and try to let the bug to happen to see how many killers i can bait into getting banned
I'm sorry but whoever brings the broken perk is responsible for the bugs that happen with it.
And while we obviously won't ban survivors for making it harder on themself. Asking for other people to be banned cause you brought a broken perk is ludicrous.
How strong or needed you feel the perk is is completely irrelevant
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I never blamed killers for it.
Never wanted killers to get banned I merely said it gives killers free tunnel range if you dont bring DS I dont know where you got that idea from.
Again very rediculous as I never said I blame nor want killers banned lol.
Once more never said nor implied.
One more time I never said the stuff you are saying.
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Thing is you don't know for sure if they have DS. We can't just treat every single survivor we down as if they have it and count to 60. I just down the most effective person at the time and if they happen to have DS, it just happens. I don't actively go for people because I know DS is bugged. Most of the time people with DS come to me -.-
Personally I think people should stop running it until it's fixed. If pgtw was busted I wouldn't equip it, kick a gen and demand survivors not touch it until it regressed by 25% or whatever the amount is.
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Aah yes sorry, I was defending my statement as a whole instead of the issue you adressed, you're right my bad
I'm afraid the only real sollution right now is to wait untill it's fixed.
I know it makes it a lot easier for tunnelers right now but there is not much we can do to combat it except look for alternitive ways untill DS is fixed.
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It's fine dont worry about it too much. I'm used to the waiting game with BHVR. They took weeks to fix a small number tweak.
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I mean, you can't do anything about the perk not working the way it's intended other than politely wait for three seconds after the stun finishes, and that's just silly.
As of right now, I'm sure the expectation from survivors is already there that it won't be very effective if they're still using DS. There's no need to feel bad about it.
I should also point out that since your not equipping the perk and you're not doing anything out of the ordinary to purposefully trigger the bug, you aren't abusing the bug.
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Okay..? Thanks for answering but I already said I know that Ash is bugged... and I am pretty sure everyone saying abusing the DS-bug as killer is bad would say the same about abusing Ashs mute-bug.
i asked what the new Toolbox genrush build is, seemed like that was related to the topic as well?
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