Question for killer mains

Everything here except #4 (not to mention it'll never happen as it would discourage SWFs which are substantial potential customers).

Instead of #4 here I would rather see Solo Queue have better communication options whether it be a little icon that indicates what action they are doing on their portrait (Moving somewhere, Crouching, In a Chase, On a Gen, Healing etc), preset text macros that can be hotkeyed or used a chat wheel so Console players can use it as well and prevent toxic chat mid game, or even the impossible of ingame voice chat options.

Immersion seems to fly out the window rather quickly anyway - and leveling the solo queue vs SWF disparity would allow more informed top down balancing decisions to be made while not simply attributing it to "Well you're just going to coordinate better with friends" when solo queue folks are denied any ability to do so outside of miming with crouching, pointing and waving a hand over.

I play both sides about equally but I lean towards buffing killer because I feel they are the ones getting shafted the most.

DS needs to be reworked again. 60 is too long and even if the killer doesn't tunnel they can still be punished by it if the survivor decides to go towards the killer. Mixed with unbreakable there are situations where regardless of the choice made by killer, slug or eat the ds, it wastes your time.

PGTW is fine. The 45 secs is still plenty of time. Though I felt it didn't need to be touched but it's not a big deal.

OoO needs to have more downsides. Used by a swf with headsets they pretty much know where the killer is at all times. There's hardly any negative to being the obsession unless the killer is using Rancor.

The early game mechanic the devs are talking about I hope will help a lot of the M1 killers.

Both sides have plenty of "useless perks" that could use a rework.

Majority of killer add ons suck. There are a handful that can be too powerful, like iridescent head, but most add ons don't really do anything.

Maps need to be smaller or redesigned.

Fix the Nurse.

Id appreciate it if BT worked on killer's proximity to the hook instead of TR. Certain killers can bypass this and get an easy rehook. Example, a face camping wraith that cloaks and waits for the rescue.

Solo survivor sucks. I don't know how they could improve that without inadvertently buffing SWF.

Remove the ds locker tech so there's literally no way to counter a first hook mori from a tunneling killer? Kk

Also imagine complaining about spine chill

You should not ask Killer Mains what they want to get nerfed. You should know that their wishes are pretty unreasonable just from reading the Forums.

DS is a win lose situation. Can’t really give a real definite answer for this, but what I can say is I don’t really mind it when it’s used on me. If they can hit that skill check good for them.

OoO should give permanent 1/2/3% speed boost to survivor who is using it, but his aura always stays visible to killer and vice-versa. This could also encourage survivors to use Sole Survivor(as it never was used much anyway).

Remove dead hard window of invulnerability - it is used mostly as a dash to a pallet or window anyway, and would remove that 1-man cocky hook rescues when killer is near.

Since killer is playing 1vs4 it could have 5 perks.

Longer generator repair. 80s while working alone without perks is a disgracefully low. Everyone who played killer for at least some time knows about "gen rush". But it is not any fancy strategy, it is just a lack of map pressure and survivors working on different gens. Survivors should be punished for working on generators alone, and get more from working together. It could make perks that does not work on SWF because of voice comms more tempting to use (like bond, or better together; even maps with addons would see more play) It also would suit lore, no? #bettertogether

Make very weak version of Ruin a base mechanic. If no survivor is working on a generator, it starts regressing by itself by 10% of base regress speed after 20-30s. Nothing too serious, but when killer is in chase and there is no possibility to kick a generator or it will make him lose other one. Killer should be rewarded for keeping survs off gens, not punished.

Keys could also insta-open chests. There is virtually no use for addonless green key, and you'll get it noticeably often from chests. Make it useful.

Get tapping is a problem - survivors should have the same length of animation when they want to "tap" or start working on generator. Why i must use perks to counter gen tapping, when it is problem of a design.

Every exhaustion perks should have 60s cooldown on tier 3. Both for sake of balance, and use. It is easier to know every perk like that have 60s.

Make small game timer on top of a screen. This would help literally everyone. Killer to counter DS, and survivors to watch for things like "make your choice".

Some perks should work on the whole map, like wake up or empathy.

Distortion should have mechanic for refilling tokens. Like safe unhook, or healing 2-3 states of other survivors. It would go well with base kit of Jeff (talking about Aftercare).

Head On should not be an exhaustion perk, but it would prevent survivor from going into lockers when it is on cooldown.

Base kit of David makes no sense. How are you supposed to "take protection hit" for 'We're gonna live forever' when you have 'no mither' equipped? What, dead hard? I don't think it gives protection score in such circumstances, only distraction (and maybe safe unhook).

Ash perks could get some small buff or rework.

Red Herring should trigger when you are starting working on other generator, not when you go into a locker.

There should be some way for survivor using Autodidact to reliably trigger skill checks. Like "when you start healing other survivor, you will face one skill check immediately. This mechanic has 60s cooldown." It won't apply to normal occurence of skill checks, but would make autodidact more raliable, not RNG dependant (like pig traps).

Pig traps should have 20% of freeing yourself on 1st try. This would increase while you are getting into next jigsaw boxes with 100% chance on last available jigsaw box (to still make it possible to escape with addons that manipulate jigsaw boxes amount).

It gets the blendette and the urban evading Meg/Nea away from the gen they're working on as soon as it lights up, effectively slowing down the progress. Any other player will simply be more alert, especially if they don't hear a heartbeat, but that's what happens anyway because never hearing a heartbeat after 20-30 seconds of working on the first gen should already spark some questions.

Spine chill is strong but it doesn't replace the value of other meta perks that have much more preferable effects, which is why it's fine as it is

But this seems to be a thread based around generalizing survivor mains. At the end of the day, every single strategy in the game has to have a counter. Tunneling, camping, slugging, etc have counters; Gen-rushing, totem cleansing, healing, unhooking, etc have counters.

Ruin can be broken, NOED can be broken. DS can be outplayed, Unbreakable can be outplayed, Borrowed Time is annoying, but most of the above-mentioned perks are really only annoying in the end game collapse, where Killers were also given a ton of perks to help dominate that end-game. Not to mention, both killers and survivors alike pretty much agree that hook-camping during the EGC is fine, because why would anybody want to let that player make a last-second escape? There are still perks to counter that, and if you can't grab someone mid-save to prevent borrowed time, or hit them before they unhook, and again after to make a trade, that's just a lack of awareness on your end. OoO is literally as much a negative as a benefit. The people calling for nerfs around OoO are basing that around SFW, which absolutely screws solo players, which nobody really seems to care about, unless that solo player is the killer.

There's not a single perk on either side of the aisle that cannot be maneuvered around. The reality is that some of them mesh well together, but that doesn't mean they should be nerfed either. How many times do survivor mains get shut down by killer mains when calling for nerfs to killer perks? And killers just got a brand new set of good ones. Undying/Ruin is literally a meta now. I took the silver-lining there and decided that I'm fine with farming Lightbringer points by cleansing a bunch of hex totems, but otherwise, it's an annoying combo, especially considering it also reveals the auras of anyone who happens to be around a totem, and totems have two modes: Either way out of the way, or right next to the generators survivors must complete to finish the game. Hell, some of the totems spawn where players can't actually get to them to cleanse them.

Keys and thats it

My priotity list would be:

1.) Multi-Man Hatch Escapes before all gens were finished - It's the cheapest move a survivor group can do, imo, equally unfun / unfair as tunnel for mori. I would say it is even unjust, since it can totally rob a well earned victory from the killer with nothing the killer can do about it. My fix for this would be that keys only work during EGC, so the last one could reopen it after the killer closed it, or all four can get the achievment when they just open a gate and then escape through the hatch.

2.) OoO - Even in solo queue it can be so unbelievably annoying, with the killer having no counterplay for it, apart from stealth abilities. And even then, the OoO has a budget spine chill on him. In SWF, maybe with multiple OoO, it's totally busted. My fix for this would be to give the killer some counterplay, the aura is only revealed to each other when BOTH look into the others direction. And / or multiple OoO auras should no longer be possible, only the current obsession gets the aura. The non-obsessions may keep their budget spine chill, but no auras are revealed to either side.

3.) Agressive DS plays - I hate that DS can be played so aggressively and you have no real counterplay to that apart from slugging, which is then countered by UB. No perk should allow a player to play intentionally bad / extreme cocky for a minute just bc there is an active perk helping you out. And again, stacking four of them is nuts, you can actually get ds stunned multiple times in a row, that should not be possible. I wouldn't mind DS being a true anti-tunnel perk, I guess no one would really mind that. My change for this would be: DS deactivates when another player is unhooked. This enforces that only one DS is active at a time. It also deactivates when jumping on a gen, to incentive the player to heal first instead of rushing gens. Maybe it should also be disabled after the gates are powered, so DS is no free escape, but I'm not so sure about this. To compensate for the deactivation conditions, there's no longer a timer, DS stays active as long as none of the mentioned conditions have met. And you may stun after every hook with it, if the killer is so determined to tunnel you. Since you would not need to keep the stun for later, the skill check could just be omitted as well. This changes would make DS a really strong anti-tunnel perk, with an easy counter for the killer: just do not attempt to double hook someone, aka tunneling.

4.) On-the-spot Dead Hard / Dead Hard against a wall - Thats just extremly stupid. Why should I not be able to hit you if you stand perfectly still or are dashing against a wall, that makes no sense. Should just be removed.

5.) Excessive tbagging - Sure thats only a minor issue. But how funny would it be if a survivor would be locked into a butt dance for like 30 seconds if he tbagged too much? So when you run away, you automatically crouch every half second. Or the survivor would get the Hindered and Exhausted by excessive tbagging, because their legs hurt to much after it :P.

I don't like generalizations at all, you are arguing on what you think I think.

I do think some killers and survivors go too far with there whining and are ignorant to some counters but we can't treat everybody like that when they actually have merit in what there saying.

Keys and Moris are not fun to play against or balanced, tunneling and camping without DS or BT is awful, too many safe pallets or giant maps are not fair to alot of killers, current DS needs to change or be base but without the antimomentum imo same for BT which i think should be base so the survivor can play the game. I don't see how some people can disagree with changing things that would make the game more fair or fun for both sides.

Have exhausted status do more than just prevent survivors from using a perk. Heavy breathing, slow down speed when doing interactions like repairing and healing.

Adjust gen speeds to fluctuate around killer speed. Killer with 0 map pressure shouldn't have same gen speed as killer that can get from one side of the map to the other no problem.

Make all keys broken, have add ons be what allows them to open hatch. This will help cut down on odds of finding one in chest (use perk spot to find items with add ons in chest).

Have firecrackers be regular item instead of event. They're more fun and only single use so can't be obnoxiously spammed like flashlights.

If survivors are not doing something like being in a chase, healing, gen repair, cleansing totem, or searching a chest for 5 minutes the killer can start EGC since nothing is being done to progress the match - killer shouldn't have to DC because survivors are hiding waiting for the other to die for hatch.

id like to see more perks focused around giving survivors unique abilities and actions - similar to any means necessary. Perks of even mechanics like that could really shake up the gameplay loop for survivors as well as provide more opportunities for strategy and builds. Some examples of these perks include any means necessary, diversion, head on and for the people.