PGTW vs DS Bias - Discussion.

Sure, but protection hits need to have a consequence. Perks that make you invincible force the killer into lose lose situations.

First of all your comparisons of Pop goes the Weasel and DS are not fair. A killer can always use Pop to their free will after they hook a survivor within the time limit, DS only activates if they get downed and picked up within one minute after being hooked. Yes, they do have immunity, and with Unbreakeable it's particularly strong, but those are also two perks, not one. I'm not saying a nerf to DS would be bad, but I play killer at rank 1 constantly and I just don't see how the perk is that terrible, and I have at least the comprehension abilties to understand why they nerfed Pop in this patch but not DS.

The fact that people still claim that the devs are so survivor biased is just baffling to me though. And you know, because BHVR is so survivor biased, they made a huge patch with many map changes that pretty much all were in favor of the killer, and slightly increased repair time for survivors if they team up on a gen. Because they are biased they also made many other good changes for killers in the past, like the removal of pallet vaccuum, the decrease in pallets on a map, the increase of healing time from 12 to 16 seconds, and big buffs to Doctor, Leatherface and particularly Freddy. Yes some killers and perks have received nerfs in the past, and a few survivor aspects have been buffed as well, but how on earth does one come to the conclusion that the devs are survivor biased?

Also, I don't quite see how the survivor perk buffs are better than the killer buffs. If they do it right, Thana could actually end up being a good slowdown perk, and the buff to Trails of Torment also looks pretty damn good.

One more thing, Almo replied to a thread as to why Pop was nerfed, and gave an understandable reasoning for it. At least it's understandable to those with actual brains. Yet then someone had to draw direct comparisons to DS and people started talking about how Almo got burned and how their reply was stupid and shows their survivor bias, which is honestly just so stupid and cringe at this point. And now you are wondering why the devs aren't communicating more and explaining why DS wasn't nerfed? To a community that has way too many immature man childs?

Just because one perk gets nerfed doesn't mean other perks that could be nerfed for similar reasons need to be nerfed in the same patch. You don't know why DS wasn't nerfed. Maybe they are still uncertain as to how to nerf the perk properly. In the end it's the only reliable perk to help against tunneling that you can use on yourself.

DS is a pain in the ass, but hopefully they change object too. That ######### kills matches.

LITERALLY only been a year since it got reworked

I do I don't mind ds if you don't like ds then stop playing the game if you can't deal with a 5 sec stun once in a match.

@SloppyKnockout

When you consider that the reason DS was made to activate upon unhook, it makes it very clear that Camping and Tunneling off hook are more common than you think. Two actions which get sidelined and are BUILT-IN mechanics (which means you didn't do anything to "earn" them) they simply exist within the game and are available through the entirety of the match. So while DS doesn't really require an action to happen, it also doesn't guarantee that you will get to use it. Unlike PGTW and after every hook.

This is why the comparison of the two is flawed. You can't dissect parts of it you think are the same when the rest pretty much have no indication that they are similar.

I 100% agree do you know how many times I get tunnel off of hook especially with an ebony

Fun fact: I CANNOT disable crossplay for whatever reason. I'm stuck dealing with this crap until the day the game dies.

also, note the fact that killers desperately NEED to multi task, whereas survivors already start with 4 people. so if anything, DS should have its timer reduced, while Pop should stay as is.

Same here, I really hate to say things like this.

It makes me sound killer biased even though I try to stay as neutral as possible.

But the way they use their wordings and what they said during a Q&A makes it very obvious.

And sure I can understand that they try to please the majority of the playerbase, but they forget if the keep on nerfing/changing killers and perks they push to many people away from one side.

Which creates a more unbalance between the playerbase of killers and survivors.

Exactly, they have a security of an easy escape when they are off the hook and so they throw themselves at the killer or immediately start working on a gen with the killer close to them.

Seen it happen many times over where I unhook a survivor and instead of wanted to get healed, they run towards the killer just so they can use ds.

And if the killer won't pick them up, they have unbreakable for it.

I personally would love to see it happen where if they get fully healed, work on a gen, unhook another survivor, etc, ds would just deactivate.

It was made so they won't get tunnelled of the hook and if you can do objectives, you sure aren't tunnelled.

And sure I use the perk too, but only for anti tunnel.

And even if I get tunnelled, I rarely get to use it because by the time I downed the chase lasted way longer than my ds timer.

But it's funny how they don't mind when killer perks getting nerfed, but god forbid when a survivor perk gets nerfed. 😂

Though I understand your frustration and apologize for being late to the conversation, isn't your reasoning also the response you seek to your question?

"We play both sides and if you don't you have zero right of speaking."

Well with that in mind, why does it bother you that people suggest if one Killer tool gets nerfed, then a Survivor tool should be given similar judgment as well?

"Let's talk pop." "Wait what about DS?"

"Let's talk mori's." "Wait what about keys?"

I don't think those suggestions are irrelevant, a Killer's Mori can be a shortcut to a victory just as well as a Survivor's key. Furthermore, I would be willing to bet that if say Sloppy Butcher were to receive a nerf, people would rightfully ask well what about Desperate Measures?

These do not sound like irrelevant topics to evade or change the subject at hand, this sounds like looking at the game from both sides. Killers and Survivors each have tools that counter the other, so logically if one gets nerfed then we would ask well why this change here but not the accomplice or counter over there?

It would be like removing scissors from rock paper scissors, or in this case nerfing it. I believe it is right to ask, specifically due to Almo's reasoning, that if Pop Goes the Weasel is loosing its availability by 15 seconds because it granted too much value from its 60 second timer, then why not address the other Survivor perk that also produces a similar effect for 60 seconds?

DS can be used 4 times per game. and since they keep nerfing killers and their perks it makes a us vs them.

Mori's are going to be reworked only after being nerf'd alrdy and the devs cant even fix the balance.

Mori's should only be looked @ when they balance survivors, its a 4 v 1 soooo logically killers should be stronger then a single survivor but they arent in this game.

Then I'm all for making DS a true anti-tunneling perk. Remove the timer and add different conditions, like deactivation on interactions and hooking another survivors while not slugged.

How do you get ds'd two times during the endgame collapse? Before the unhooked survivor has time to run away from the hook and heal so that he can even attempt saving another hooked survivor, the DS timer will go down in no time. IF the survivor has DS in the first place.

And the fact that an obsession is in the game or not should not change your "playstyle" in any way. You're just admitting that if there is no obsession killers will mostly tunnel without any worries. Truly makes you wonder why survivors equip the perk so much.