General Discussions
General Discussions
Dead by Daylight,the game where killers act more civilized than the survivors
Which in retrospect,should be the other way around.Whenever I play killer,2 out of 3 games are survivors complaining of playing my role and doing a good job as a killer.
Sometimes just straight out insulting because they get salty and rage for no reason.And pretty much every single time survivors escapes,they feel the need to boast sending messages like gg ez baby killer,i'm better than you learn to play,uninstall,while keeping a straight face.
What makes survivors so angry?Whenever I play soloq and a survivors start being rude for no reason to the killer I always try to tell them there's no reason to be toxic and wonder why they couldn't just leave and calm down.
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Yeah... I hear you there. Played survivor for an entire month and initially thought the game was Pro Killer.
But then I saw some killers were nice. For example:
-After chat, I hardly see any smack talk from them.
-Some of them are happy to let you go as last survivor.
-A lot who are losing a game will take the moral high ground and let you farm up.
Having tried killer- I was a little surprised to see how many survivors smack talk if they all make it or one dies OR 1 dies and all else escape. Anything from "so bad" for the former to "well you had mori" for the latter. I am playing one of the weakest killers in the game atm but I do that cos I enjoy playing that killer. I feel like if I was playing someone like Spirit, PH or Bubba- that'd be more reason to garner in complaints. Also, maybe it's just me but I find Nea and Claudettes the most toxic. Even if I play survivor.
sigh probs best to ignore. Toxicity is always gonna reign in PvP games. Best to appreciate the people who are good folk I guess and more importantly- enjoy the game
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I wish I could say you are wrong, but I can't. I play both Survivor and Killer in equal measure and the percentage of Survivor jerks is far higher than that of the Killer jerks. It should be noted, however, that the vast majority of Players (Survivor and Killer) are polite and friendly both before and post-game. The problem is that we tend to remember the jerks more clearly, and it skews our perception like a fun-house mirror. Back in the 80s it was called the Geraldo Effect. If most of what you see/remember is negative, your context and perception gets twisted and standards lowered. Most games end with polite GG or nothing at all. Those fade into the background of our minds because we aren't keeping track of them or counting them. The jerks stand out and that we remember. Do you see how it works?
So yes, there are more poorly behaved Survivors than there are Killers, but it is also a 4v1 game so statistically you are more likely to encounter a jerk on the side with four people even if three of them are perfectly nice or silent. Do you see where I'm going with this? My own experience, roughly tracked and counted is that about one in thirty or so Killers is a jerk post game. Survivors are more like one in four or five.
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Experiences differ of course but I´ve had very similar ones as you did. Even considering the 4:1 ratio, toxicity and BM on the Survivor side is so much more prevalent it isn´t even funny. I also don´t know where it stems from, but from my experience it´s a given that a Killer will engage in said behavior way less.
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People won't change, especially for a video game ! Yes I can tbag, but only if a killer toxicly farms the BP... But a Bubba waiting on the hook he don't know play, and he doesn't deserve a tbag, because the game becomes difficult for killers...
I don't know your style of play, I don't know anything about you, but if you haven't done anything toxic.. they're the problem, not you. I'm on console so I can't read the chat, but on Xbox (without the cross platform) when you win it's a maximum of reports on your profile... You're lucky that it's only words, so leave the game when is over and don't look the chat.
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There are some nasty people who play killer too but they definitely feel minuscule compared to the amount of toxic survivors you come across.
Pretty sure my hate mail count from survivors is well into 4 figures while off the top of my head I've had maybe around 15-20 hate mail from killers. Game play wise, I'll encounter a toxic killer maybe once a month at least. Survivors, at least 5 a day.
Now obviously the 4:1 ratio could explain this but even then, its staggering how many more times it comes from survivors than killers
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Thats the most obvious lie ever written in this forum.
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What do you guys do when you play a game that doesn't have distinct sides like killer and survivor? For instance, Call of Duty? If you can't clearly separate the people you think are civilized and uncivilized into two obvious groups? Do you maybe just play the game?
Try doing that. It works wonders.
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I'm playing the game to get as many bps as possible in the end,meaning not to camp since that just hinders that aspect.
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I've seen plenty of douchebaggery from both sides. It's the players, not the roles.
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I see equal crap from both sides, Survivors tend to be worse in post chat, Killers tend to be worse in-game but the quantity of douchebagery is almost the same from both sides.
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I've experienced toxicity from both sides equally. Toxic killers would tell you to ######### for denying them a single kill and survivors go for the good ol' ggez baby killer.
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1 evening of playing:
-2 x camping huntress
-2x pig who attacks you when you are stuck by the machine and try to untrap
-3x afk Oni
-3 various killers who downed whole team in 2 minutes
Yes, civilised as hell
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there are four survivors and 1 killer in a game. Statistically it's more likely that at least 1 survivor will act "uncivilised". It's not about the role - it's about the person who plays it
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That's not toxic. That's part of the game.
Being toxic means doing something to hurt someone's feelings with no advantage in the game. Hitting someone on hook is toxic. Tbagging is toxic. 4-man slugging and running in circles instead of hooking is toxic. Camping, tunneling and the rest are not - these are just tactics. Not the most entertaining for survivors, but killers don't do that to make you feel bad in 90% of cases, they make it to win the game, even if it doesn't pays off for them sometimes.
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Speak for yourself.
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How is the survivors throwing themself at the killer make the killer toxic?
So many people have such a screwed view of toxic that it really lost all meaning.
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Nobody throws himself at anyone. It's the killer who follows everyone who come to help the 1st one down.
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Teabagging lol so outdated.
Its clearly bouncing up & down on the D.
Anyone who admits to riding the D also gets mad when they get camped
Can you confirm? Because I can confirm if you didn't do that then you'd still be alive...(lol)
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If all the survivors go down in 2 minutes they thrown themself at the killer. Don't gang up like that if you don't want to all go down like that.
That wasen't the killer being toxic. That's you and your team making bad plays
Exactly what i mean, people start calling everything their opposition does to hinder them as toxic. The word lost all meaning
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What do we do in games like cod where some kid bounces on the D?
You laugh at them. They only did that because they finally got their first kill and took it personal
If they message you or try call you out for outplaying them then laugh harder.
Someone decided to not have fun in a game about having fun & tried to make others miserable right?
So just note, if that ever happens your definitely doing something right.
Don't let other people dictate you.
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Both sides can be toxic
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To be fair, Killers have been playing a lot of civilization
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Both sides are equally toxic. You just see Survivors talk more smack overall because you play with/against more survivors in a single play session then you do killers. (You only play with one killer per game, compared to playing against 4 Survivors per game- so you're just more likely to see Survivors being toxic because you will always run into more players overall during a play session of SoloQ or Killer.)
Besides, everyone has different views on what is toxic. Some find t-bagging and flashlight clicking toxic, some find facecamping or slugging toxic. Some people call healing at the exit gates toxic, some call keys toxic, some call Moris toxic- there's no set rule as to what is really toxic midmatch.
In post game, I've had people say horrible things to me and about me. I've had killers complain when I say 'gg' after I got hatch, and curse me out for it. (I had a Nurse last night who claimed to have reported us all, and talked crap about our team because two people DC'd at the offering screen over a Mori... even though the DC's wouldn't be able to see it.)
At the same time, Survivors will talk crap about a Killer in post game. Usually because they feel like they were tunneled or camped. (Whether or not it was true is usually case by case.) Sometimes there's the complaint of not respecting the 4% when the literal rest of the team is dying on hook or dead as well. More often though, I usually see Survivors talk crap about each other more then the Killer, especially SoloQ players- at least in my time as both a Killer and Survivor.
Of course there's also the complaint on both sides about boring matches (a Team who are all running the same Meta Build, Forever Freddy, etc). There's also the complaint from both sides about the people they're playing against being sweaty.
Imho both sides have toxic people, just like how both sides have entitled people.
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I'm a survivor main, and over 4 years I've seen a lot more toxicity from survivors than I have killers, completely disproportionately to the number of survivors. Maybe that doesn't reflect your experience, but that's what I've seen.
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Comments I get when playing survivor:
GGEZ
GGWP
Comments I get when playing Killer:
#########
Hope your mother dies
Hope your family gets "the virus"
insert derogatory homophobic slurs here
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"completely disproportionately to the number of survivors"
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I'm not sure you understand what "disproportionately" means. I'm saying that even if I take into account the fact that there are 4 times as many survivors, they have still been more toxic than killers.
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You're not "pointing out" anything. What you're doing is like saying a jaywalker and an arsonist are both criminals. Yes, they both broke the law, but the arsonist is just worse.
Likewise, many people experience a lot more (and worse) toxicity on the survivor side that's not explainable by the player ratio.
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If you don't care about the numbers, then why did you bring them up as a counter-argument?
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"This guy stole a pen from local store and this guy shot a man in his face, both commited the crime and no one has clean hands"
I encountered some toxic ######### from killers in the game, but every time someone wishes my parents to have cancer it is a survivor. Never heard things like that from killer player. And I think that's not equal things.
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Just once? Nah, not an argument.
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I disagree. It matters a lot if one arsonist sets one fire and another sets ten. Legal systems in most countries recognize this for virtually every crime in existence.
They are not equally guilty, which is a nuance you want to ignore so you can say both sides are the same instead of addressing that for each toxic killer, there are more than 4 toxic survivors.
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A survivor said he was going to track down and #########/kill my wife and children. I have never received anything like that from killers.
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You see more toxic Survivors because the population HAS to be higher but that doesn't mean that its somehow worse.
I already told you they're disproportionately toxic.
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I can't because I'm not writing this stuff down, This is just my experience.
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And neither do you, because nobody writes this stuff down. We're all sharing our experiences and perceptions.
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I'm glad you see how silly your request is now that it's being applied to you.
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Hey, you're the one who asked me for evidence of my perception (which is based on my experience) first, I just asked the same of you. So the answer to "evidence of what" is "the same evidence you were asking of me", whatever that may be.
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Yes, survivors are more toxic then killers mostly. But let's just realize that there are lots of toxic killers too.
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The quote about living long enough to see yourself become the villain has never been truer than with the dead by daylight survivors.
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I will say, I've had survivors send rather concerning death threats to me when I played killer, but I've never had a killer take the time to detail how I'm gonna die in real life.
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I mean...
This was just last night. It's not an uncommon occurrence. Happens on both sides, it's just more prominent from survivors since it's the larger population at any given time.
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Oh god. That's too far. Attack the opponent not the family, that would be murdering innocents(not saying murdering you is any better,)
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Yeah... I get way more evil survivors than evil killers. However, that might just be because of the math: as survivor, there's 3 others who also have to be decent. As killer, there's 4 others.
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Wow, people are sometimes toxic in online video games? Eye opening post, never realized it.
And you dare say... People are mean more often when they're in a group, relative to a person alone?! (killers). ASTONISHED.
Thank God we have this post to help the developers figure out how to solve this catastrophy. It's not like we have an option to just ignore it and move on to the next game.
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If you play killer more than survivor you're seeing 4 different survivors a match. If you main survivor you're seeing 3x the amount of survivors per game than killer. I can only imagine why people see more survivors being toxic than killers.
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Bro he's giving you his anecdotal experience which is all any of us have to go off of. There aren't numbers. Unless BHVR is keeping track of bans and playtime of each respective side. Literally none of us know what the ratio of toxic players is. We can only make guesses taking into account personal experience and how often a particular side is encountered. You're arguing about nothing lmao
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this what I do suck one game make us have to turn off all massaging and friend requests.
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I agree. I haven't been playing all that long, about 200 hours but I have 7000 hours on CSGO alone, among many other FPS shooters and multiplayer games and it is always the vocal minority. However, it feels as though DbDs vocal minority is barely a minority. I always get GG WP.from killers or nothing at all, but in my 200 hours of playing, mostly killer (deathslinger), I have received 2 games where I have even seen a GG. Always, gg ez, uninstall, git gud. Tbaggers, flashlight clickers, glitch abusers etc etc. Killers get a lot of flak for tunnelling, moris etc but never have I been angry about that stuff, all part of the game. While flashlights and crouching are, being an ass isn't. It's sad, I love the game. I just continue to try and be the light in a see of darkness. I always say ggwp and often say things like "great job with unhooks,' or "great looping."
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Survivors are definitely more toxic verbally.
Killers will hop on freddy equip a ebony mori and proceed to play in the most toxic way possible.
It's a never ending cycle.
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