General Discussions
General Discussions
"Don't buy them then" ~ The true cost of cosmetics
You're missing the point of the discussion.
It's not about money, it's about value.
Many of us, myself included, think that the price of cosmetics in game time and money does not match their value.
Other game prices come up, but one point is always left out... Those games might be (I've only played Path of Exile) more fun, balanced, and less infuriating than DbD.
We've been asking for balance for years and have even been told to play another game instead of having our concerns acted upon. Who else remembers the pallet and flashlight stun fiasco? That was a deliberate change that the devs thought was a good idea....
Now we have a cosmetic cash shop with pricing meant to fleece us while we wait and hope that the game improves.
BHVR is asking us to give them more money for things that will not improve the balance of the game and trust that they will put that money to good use for balance IN THE FUTURE. Maybe another great idea like the Wraith cube...
This is the core of our (my) reluctance to buy cosmetics at their current price. I have a full time job and I own a small business, I can afford these things, but I don't feel good about giving these devs more of my money given the current state of the game.
I'd totally buy Lettuce Hag for $3 though.
Fix the game.
Balance it.
Take care of the player's concerns.
Make it fun for everyone, and THEN charge us a higher price for shinies... Earn our goodwill like the games they borrowed this cosmetic shop idea from and we'll gladly pay.
But right now, they need to show us they understand their own game and are going to take care of their player base...
Not just milk us for cash through an overpriced cosmetic shop.
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Aside from finding the cosmetics to be overpriced in general, my problem with the pricing is how poor it is when compared to every other piece of the content the game oFFers as they all give you more for less.
Then the most common counter points people try to hit me with is "don't buy it" "they're just cosmetic" and "X game is worse" None of which I find to be good arguments.
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I understand that you like the game a lot and want it to get better.
I understand that you value balance and such.
Tho, no one forces you to buy items in a game that you think will not improve, or is not fitting/may/will never fit your expectations.
Yes, devs could have (possibly) had better use of their time on the game than doing cosmetics (very arguable since the artistic team do not work on scripts tho).
Maybe, I just say maybe, if you do feel like the things will never change and never get good enough for you, you should consider another game ?10 -
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@RemoveSWF said:
@Runiver said:
Yes, devs could have (possibly) had better use of their time on the game than doing cosmetics (very arguable since the artistic team do not work on scripts tho).This is a good point but it's also worth considering that patches often break the game more than fixing it.
Look at emblems - worthless participation trophies that means killers can't even get a match at rank 1 anymore.
Part of me wants them to just abandon this game before it gets any worse.
Well, the next sentence is there for you then.
I had this doubt too, quite a lot, back then.
The result :
I treat DbD how it should be treated : a casual game that you play at times, leave at times when you feel like it's too frustrating, and I just play it amongst other (possibly better ?) games, such as Slay the Spire, Dead cells, soon to come Monster Hunter, and others.That's pretty much the only solution. I do talk to devs on a daily basis nowadays, and they told me that the only solution is to trust and wait. They actually got on better tracks recently, but it's still gonna take them a pretty big amount of time to do changes.
And since they only rarely showed true intent to make the gameplay less of a chore for killer (and eventually surv in some situations, aka ragequitting and such), it's kinda legitimate to consider leaving.Most people are just getting hooked too much by the addiction of the game, and the semi-conflits it creates between themselves and other players, as well as between themselves and the dev team.
You don't need this addiction if it doesn't give you enough to feel allright tho.8 -
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@RemoveSWF said:
@Runiver said:
I do talk to devs on a daily basis nowadays, and they told me that the only solution is to trust and wait. They actually got on better tracks recently, but it's still gonna take them a pretty big amount of time to do changes.It took them one week to nerf Freddy. It could take them one week to buff him.
I'm tired of the exuses. They've had enough time.
Anybody who still has faith in them at this point is naive.
You're, indeed, right about that.
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@SpaceCoconut said:
I keep seeing people telling others who have an issue with the price of cosmetics to just not buy them or that they don't have to buy them.You're missing the point of the discussion.
It's not about money, it's about value.
Many of us, myself included, think that the price of cosmetics in game time and money does not match their value.
Other game prices come up, but one point is always left out... Those games might be (I've only played Path of Exile) more fun, balanced, and less infuriating than DbD.
We've been asking for balance for years and have even been told to play another game instead of having our concerns acted upon. Who else remembers the pallet and flashlight stun fiasco? That was a deliberate change that the devs thought was a good idea....
Now we have a cosmetic cash shop with pricing meant to fleece us while we wait and hope that the game improves.
BHVR is asking us to give them more money for things that will not improve the balance of the game and trust that they will put that money to good use for balance IN THE FUTURE. Maybe another great idea like the Wraith cube...
This is the core of our (my) reluctance to buy cosmetics at their current price. I have a full time job and I own a small business, I can afford these things, but I don't feel good about giving these devs more of my money given the current state of the game.
I'd totally buy Lettuce Hag for $3 though.
Fix the game.
Balance it.
Take care of the player's concerns.
Make it fun for everyone, and THEN charge us a higher price for shinies... Earn our goodwill like the games they borrowed this cosmetic shop idea from and we'll gladly pay.But right now, they need to show us they understand their own game and are going to take care of their player base...
Not just milk us for cash through an overpriced cosmetic shop.
Yes, but you have to stay strong and dont pay even a penny for cosmetics now. Otherwise they think balance is still fine, only by closing your wallet you can actually achieve something (dont think that they care about balance posts)
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If we knew the money would fund dedicated servers and the shop prices weren't outrageous $10-11 for some outfits maybe i would buy some cosmetics but everything said is true we keep waiting for balance and buffs to certain killers instead we get re- coloring of base outfits with a price tag.2
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I mean... I won't be buying any, really. Not relating to balance, and I'm not doing anything like boycotting their store, I just purely don't value almost any of the cosmetics as what they're priced.
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Eh, I'll probably be dipping into it every now and then, although I did agree with that they are a bit pricey. I had my hopes up when I saw the 4025 was enough to be a good chunk of skins and I hoped it would be a decent price to buy the same thing once the patch comes out. It's 35$.
Nontheless, I'll probably dump a good 20$ in the skins that I like the most. Particularly for the killers.1 -
Give it one more year, bros. They said this year they want to cha ge things up. Let them have it. By the end, if no progress is done....then I can't really defend them so much.
Just remember this, bad community = bad game.6 -
I think one thing that needs to be acknowledged is that many (not all, true) of the cosmetics can be bought with game time and do not need to be paid for with real money. In the current industry that is RARE. The majority of in-game cash shops are focused on everything costing real money or loot boxes or a comination of both. Additionally, many of the outfits allow you to buy parts and pieces instead of having to buy the whole thing.
So for DBD I’m firmly in the “Just don’t buy them if you don’t like them” camp because the majority can be “free” (not including game purchase price and devoted game time).3 -
The cosmetics are supposed to be a way to support the game. They are more donations than anything. And for donating you cool little cosmetics for it.
As for it being too expensive, thats just your opinion, some people wont find it too expensive. Its like any market, if people buy it then its not too expensive. If no one buys it then the price will lower.
Also, there will probably be sales once in a while where you can get skins or cells for less. If you dont want to pay as much you will have to wait for those. If you want them earlier you will have to pay the full price.4 -
A perfectly reasonable post showcasing how little you read (or understood) of the original post.Spiritbx said:The cosmetics are supposed to be a way to support the game. They are more donations than anything. And for donating you cool little cosmetics for it.
As for it being too expensive, thats just your opinion, some people wont find it too expensive. Its like any market, if people buy it then its not too expensive. If no one buys it then the price will lower.
Also, there will probably be sales once in a while where you can get skins or cells for less. If you dont want to pay as much you will have to wait for those. If you want them earlier you will have to pay the full price.2 -
@ACoolName said:
Give it one more year, bros. They said this year they want to cha ge things up. Let them have it. By the end, if no progress is done....then I can't really defend them so much.
Just remember this, bad community = bad game.That sounds familiar
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People who think “don’t buy it,” is a good argument need to put their dad’s credit card away for a couple days. People who spend their own money have a sense of wanting value for their buck, and BHVR has just made a paradox of charging insane prices and cutting out so many potential customers. At 5$ an outfit I can confidently say there would be 5x as many sales. But as long as fornite charges 20$ an outfit, BHVR will continue to feel 10$ is a bargain for a pay to win game (yes, it is pay to win, you have to buy chapters to get rlly amazing perks and some great killers (spirit, Myers, clown, pig, etc.) or spend years waiting on the shrine to give you the perks you want).
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But they are right, you have plenty of other cosmetics to spend shards on.
When I really like something I buy it, like head chase because I wanted a head for Nea and I don't regret it because it was my decision. If you are in no position to buy cosmetics then don't, get something free.
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It's not P2W. The top two killers (Hillbilly and Nurse) are free. You also don't need DLC perks to succeed, that's just silly.
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And there is shrine of secrets.
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I'm happy to support the game, and I just cannot resist Dwight's cosmetics. I've liked/loved them all so far.
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This! 10€/$ for cosmetics? Idk how other games set the price of cosmetics, but with 10€ dollars I can get damn good games on Steam sale
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It's funny to me that i can buy some of these cosmetics for a lower price at my local clothing store.
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A perfectly reasonable post showing that anyone that disagrees with your opinion is wrong and didn't read your post because they disagree with you.
You're like the vocal minority of killer and survivor mains on here who want their side to be op. Anyone who disagrees with them is a fanboy, doesn't understand anything, or is just plain wrong.
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I've spent a considerable amount of real money and shards in the cosmetic store, purchased every chapter with cash and I regret nothing. I am supporting the game I love and am happy to do so for the more bonkers stuff!
Although, I would say, my local cinema used to charge £11 a seat and would usually be empty. They have now reduced the ticket price to £5 and its constantly full, or near as damn it!
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The third sentence in the 9 month old OP says "it's not about money, it's about value" I'm sure you know the difference between the two.
He didn't directly disagree with the post and I didn't say he was wrong.
Stop being unnecessarily inflammatory.
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Value is a subjective attribute, and thus different people ascribe different values to the same item. To say that it's about value is to say that the OP, personally, doesn't think it's worth their money, which is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
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I would probably start buying cosmetics if the 10$ ones where more like 3$. Ultimately I won't buy any. Not gonna pay half what I paid for the game on an outfit.
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No? Isn't the 80s pack pretty much just a recolour of the survivors current clothing?
The new outfits are all different models and the 10$ gets you three pieces for an entire outfit.
I'd be interested if the devs would answer the question "would dedicated servers even be on the table without the current store pricing".
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All the best skins are free anyways.
Legacy is a pretty easy example.
Their ideology with cosmetics has changed as the game has aged, this much is obvious.
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I mean since the cosmetics they’ve started pumping out more dlcs, updating the engine, and are getting dedicated servers. Coincidence? I think not.
i agree though they are a tad pricey when they first drop, I think they could double their income by dropping outfits to $5 a piece.
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Doesn't matter, these people demand free stuff because the game has bugs, as common folk (players) we must batten down the hatches and work together to be stinger & more beggar like. /s
If you want a skin, earn it or buy it. You can even get more of the DLC through play time now, if that isn't enough then you REALLY should find something else to play, honestly.
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There's a reason I call people who get easily excited for skins "cattle". They don't see the problem with $10 dollar skins and will happily purchase anything new Behavior pump out.
It's the same sort of people who pre-order AAA games, or buy "Deluxe" editions or other ######### that turned the gaming industry into such a garbage dump.
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I've put 3K hours into this game and have got more entertainment out of it than any other game.
Damn right i'm going to shovel money into their mouths so I get more content out of it.
I've got MORE enjoyment than I've paid for that's a fact.
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Yet you did say that and I quote "A perfectly reasonable post showcasing how little you read (or understood) of the original post."
So you implied that because he didn't agree with the post means he didn't read it and is thus wrong.
Therefore my point still stands and I wasn't being inflammatory at all and you know it since you said exactly what I quoted. You didn't like what they said and thus claimed they didn't read or understand what was written.
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Don't compare DbD to that garbage. Most people have invested thousands of hours into a game that costs €20 (€81 if you buy all the chapter DLC). Even if the skins are overpriced (I wouldn't know, I don't care about skins), the game itself is dirt cheap compared to the literal hundreds or thousands of hours of entertainment it can provide.
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Agreed and like all skins the older stuff will eventually come down in price or be available for shards like the current sale. The people complaining want stuff that took time and effort to make for free or almost free.
If they pay someone x amount of money over x amount of time to make something then they have to recoup that and then some. They can't sell it for less money just to please people who probably wouldn't have bought it for a reduced price anyways.
If they suddenly cave to the vocal minority that wants things for free or cheap then they might as well stop selling cosmetics and go under and stop improving the game now. Since you'll simply demand more free and cheaper stuff each time.
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Oooh a champion of value has appeared, shout forth your divine aspirations of what value people are wasting away on things they enjoy!!!! You should write a book, give seminars!
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No, the argument is that the price-to-gametime ratio is so low (i.e.: the game is exceedingly cheap relative to the amount of playtime you get out of it) that it's not an issue if the skins are more expensive than average.
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Not ashamed my first Auric Cell outfit was the Dropout set for Frank and the darker jeans for Kate. :P
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Agreed and would it have mattered if this was a $59.99 like Battlefront etc and they charged more and sold loot boxes?
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Yeah I know, the problem is the price though, which is understandable. Which I actually have a solution for.
so if they cut their outfits down to $5 instead of $10 that’s 2 outfits for the price of what 1 was. People like deals studies show that. So if I can get 2 for $10 that means I can get $20 for 4 which is awesome. Now instead of just buying 1 outfit for $10 and feeling robbed and over charged I just spent $20 for 4 Bc what a deal! Marketing 101. People are more likely to buy things that feel like a deal.
So instead of a small percentage spending money, you now have a much larger consumer percentage. When that number increases you sell more all for the thrill of a deal. Also considering cosmetics are digital and coded in there is no financial loss for manufacturing, only gains Bc you've grown your consumer base. They’ll be more likely to spend more to get more, and more likely to repeat. Right now most people just get the outfit they like for the characters they like Bc priority due to pricing. Or they won’t buy at all due to pricing.
They could also also throw in a free outfit of two to promote the higher priced packages.
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" Fix the game.
Balance it.
Take care of the player's concerns."
It's been years that we veterans are asking that.
I accepted that we sadly are a minority aka don't bring as much money.
This game litteraly run on toxicity.
For that long that i don't think it's even fixable at this point.
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Agreed, it's pretty stupid
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If the game is like this, with it's overpriced auric cells and it's occasional DLC packs, then why isn't the game free-to-play yet?
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LOL Ikr, I could buy a cool looking T-shirt with the price equivalent to an outfit in DBD
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I implied that because of his response that was addressed in the original post that he either didn't read or didn't understand what I wrote.
He wrote about the direct price of the items and how some people will buy regardless of the price and if nothing sells the price will be lowered.
The sentence I mention directly addresses this and states that the post about the store is not about money but value compared to the state of the game at the time.
You were being inflammatory by equating me to a fanboy or someone who wants their side to be op which adds nothing of value to this discussion and attempts to assign a negative connotation to me as a person.
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It's just the opportunity cost that gets me.
The excellent game I am playing right now (The Long Dark) is only £6.99 on the playstation store at the moment. Thats cheaper than a skin!
I do like the cosmetics they have created but not bought any as although sometimes tempted I feel they are overpriced.
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I've always found them overpriced. True for all games it seems.
Having said that I've always felt the dlc was cheaper than it could be so it kind of balances out. Better to have the dlc cheap and the optional cosmetics expensive.
@KillerRaccoon True that 80's was cheaper but lets be honest whats in the store now blows the 80's suitcase away.
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