I honestly don't find PH to be that broken
And it seems like even the forums know he's not a top 3 killer or anything. I mean I get that his attack strategy is a little cheap at times (assuming this is a killer that knows what they're doing with him) and i'm cool with seeing some tweeks, but people act like he is just IMPOSSIBLE to play against. The cage typically puts you completely across the map from him and if he tunnels, that's a player issue, not the character. And his ranged attack is good but can be dodged, it only really works when the survivor is locked in an animation. And so what? Every killer has a strategy to get you in a position so they can hit you. If it insta-downed that'd be one thing, but it doesn't, and there's no add-on that lets it. Meanwhile quickscoping deathslinger can shoot before it's even possible to react, and if you catch doctor on the meat packing plant level, he's gonna zap you pretty much regardless of where you are on the map.
Idk, I understand why people can be frustrated in certain scenarios, but nothing he does is game-breaking and everyone knows their are worse killers to deal with currently, I just don't get the hype.
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I play pig, put a trap on a guy and tunnel him all game with rancor, and so what? Other 3 guys can go, right? They still can escape, so its fair right? Insidious, anti-exhaustion add-on, Bamboozle and Spirit Fury for a suprise stab doesnt count, right? Its still balanced af. Im still a good person. :^)
EDIT: if they dont get rekt by NOED or Blood Warden at the end. Ok, then Im a bit bad and it can look a little broken. It doesnt happen every game tho.
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The only reason I hate playing against him is for one reason. If you throw down a pallet, you get hit. If you don't throw down a pallet, you get hit. He's not that broken and he's definitely not a top tier killer. But the fact that he gets free hits constantly is incredibly frustrating and it makes him unfun to play against...for me at least.
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He's not broken. I don't think he needs changed at all.
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he never was broken but unfun to go against. he's honestly not that great of a killer but just kinda cheap
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PH isn't broken on the same way that Nurse is. He can very easily be beaten just by doing generators. However... No-one wants that, least of all the killer. People want to play the game, not a forced-stealth section.
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After seeing Otz pull off the weird attack the devs are trying to remove, I can see why they are doing so. Luckily that's ALL they seem to be doing.
As A Pig main, this hurts. Trap tunnellers are the worst kind of Pig players.
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Can you tell me how to get the traps working? I would like to play pig but i feel like no matter the build, strat or addons, i can not get any kills from traps. I was trying to be "toxic" and slap excessive skill checks + unnerving on while just standing next to survivors on boxes, but not even that worked. She feels utterly broken. Why did u main her? Have i missed something?
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She's fun and I'm in no way a red ranked killer. I'm also a SAW fanatic.
As for her traps, your issue seems to be seeing them as a tool for lethality. They are used for stall. By placing a trap on a survivor's head, you know that they are now going to be so occupied removing that trap that they will be in one of four places. Bad Pigs will see this as a sign for easy kills, good Pigs know that the survivor is essentially removed from the match, or has a death wish.
Activating the trap is simple: a generator is completed while the RBT is on a survivor. It's timer pauses while said survivor is being chased, dying or on a hook.
Without add-ons there are 4 (can be moified to 2-6) boxes, and the timer is 2:30 base (can be modifed to 2:00-2:50).
Perks that affect skill-checks such as Unnerving Presence do not work with the Jigsaw boxes. Excessive skill-checks are also bad as the Great result is part of the skill check, and can lead to the traps being removed quicker.
If you want to pop heads, then what you need for the best chances of doing so are the add-ons Tampered Timer (-30 seconds) and Crate of Gears (faster placement, slower box searches) with a large map. One of the Red Forest offerings should help. Place the trap and hope that the survivors finish a generator before the survivor is unhooked, they don't get it off in the first two boxes and maybe even slug them once but ONLY, and I cannot stress this enough, ONLY if you naturally run into them.
Your best builds are generally ones with detection and slowdown. I like Ruin/Surveillance/Nurse's/BBq, and I generally don't need add-ons. I prefer the Video Tape and Combat Straps, but the Gears and Last Will are also pretty good. A lot of people will also suggest using Monitor & Abuse with Whispers so you can get closer before crouching, but it's never been my style.
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I see. Thanks for the answer =)
It kinda proofs my point of pig being broken. Basically all addons do something with this box mechanic but when you need specifically 2 of them plus large map and luck with survivors finishing a gen before unhook then this system is just broken and all these addons are good for nothing. Hence why you don't need addons.
This is very disappointing. While reading the addon descriptions it sounds like they would allow to go for specific tactics or playstyles, but are actually worthless.
My playstyle on nearly every killer is to prolong the match as far as possible and chase the players across the map. By the time it is over i could slap 3 bear traps on the same survivor. This doesn't realy do anything for me.
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Pig is PERFECT for stalling games!
If I get back to streaming soon, I can do a Pig game and show you what I mean. It's also been confirmed that the Devs are going to be changing a majority of Pig's add-ons.
I don't use add-ons because I'm always low on the ones I WANT to use.
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He’s not. Survivors are upset that they don’t get to control the chase. Honestly his Punishment of the Damned is weak outside of forced interactions and just plain luck, it needs a width buff at least.
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I honestly don't get the "if you throw the pallet, you get hit, if you don't throw it you get it". Have you consider stop running in the same loop for an excesive amount of time?
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What about playing the 50% game when I take the letter that reduce Jigsaw Boxes to 2 and block one of them? If a survivor cant instantly get the trap off, then the only way out is through the hatch.. Once I had a lucky game where I managed to block 2 survivors, lol. 👀
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I play killer and survivor about 50/50 now that i’ve got both consistently at rank 1/2 most of the time.. As a killer i love PH for the exact same reasons I hate him as a survivor. Because the character is broken.. He completely eliminates pallets and windows.. use them? get hit, don’t? get hit. PH loops off almost everything with his trails and then has the option for cages and a built in Mori, I honestly have no clue how anyone could say he isn’t busted, and i’m not saying other killers aren’t just as good, i just don’t see a point in trying to defend a PH. Want to talk about tunneling? he’s the king! a double hit directly off a hook every time, i truthfully don’t see how any one defends the character at this point and I can’t see why he’s built like this & the devs left him built like this for so long without a nerf.
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As a PH main, my only issue is that it seems like survivors just don't know how to deal with him properly, and for that they get punished. When I play survivor, I never lose against him, because I know what to expect. What you need to do is figure out how killers are played, and pay attention.
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